Scandal 2.03: And then I Pushed Fitz Off a Cliff*

I found the premise of this episode very creepy. The government is using a program called Thorngate to spy on the American people, and not even the White House itself are safe. Artie’s anxiety put me on edge. Kudos to the actor. Artie only came to Pope and Associates to buy himself time to….find the highest bidder? Is that right? Anyways, let’s talk about the characters, starting with Fitz.

Fitzgerald Thomas Grant III. Have a seat!

There is a post on scandalmoments, written before this episode aired, that wonders who has the power in the Fitz/Olivia relationship. The article summarizes that both of them have an amount of power over the other, and in this episode Fitz exercised his in full force. My God did he need to be punched in the face.

“I am angry because you’re committing treason; I am angry because you’re behaving like a traitor to your country.”

Fitz is mixing his jealousy and resentment with his power, and that is wrong. Fitz is using his power to alleviate how bad he feels by forcing Olivia to spend time with him, and that is wrong. Fitz, by asserting his power, found out who Olivia’s ex boyfriend was, how long they were together, where they lived, and how far they got in the relationship (engagement). Olivia never told him this. Look at her face when he’s rattling off details about her private life. And then he got the man fired. Yes, I believe his firing Senator Davis was more out of jealousy and a need to let out some aggression than out of any need to punish Davis for doing something wrong. Fitz, if he’s so inclined, and we saw with the senator that he can be, can have Olivia’s job, make sure she never works again, make sure she can only get a low-level job, have her arrested on some bogus charge, and on and on.

There’s using his power to help Liv, like he’s done before, and then there’s using his power to get back at her, which is what he did in this episode. He cannot use his power to force her to meet with him, to force her to talk to him, to keep her from moving on. He cannot force himself into her life. That is some controlling bullcrap. He can jostle her any way and any time he wants to, because he’s the president of the United States, and he has a hell of a lot of cover. It’s one thing for him to say he won’t leave Olivia alone; it’s another to keep calling when she’s obviously ignoring his phone calls; and it is yet another to show her that he’s not going to leave her alone by dragging her out of her house and forcing her on a hunting trip.

What Fitz should be doing is realizing how unfair the power balance is between him and Olivia and act accordingly by respecting her wishes. He should be super concerned about checking himself in order to not go overboard, in order to not use all of the tools at his disposal to get what he wants. If she wants you, she’ll come see you. Your government is frequently in trouble anyways.

What Fitz can do is invite Oliva, by mail, to official galas and dinners and political events, and if she shows up then she shows up. She has to network with former/future clients anyways. Give her opportunities to see you. Do not take opportunities to force her to see you because you’re unhappy.

I ship Olivia/Fitz for the tragic/bad timing thing that they are, and I was not here for them in this episode. I’m not tethered to them, so I will let them go if need be. Fitz was over the top, a bully, unfair, and a manipulator (of the circumstances). He got in her face and yelled at her. He wants Olivia to settle. I said in the last review that Olivia is not going to be in Fitz’s biography and in the tv documentaries about him. He wants her to settle for that. To forever be his secret (because she will forever be his secret in a lot of ways, as a lot of things about their relationship will never go public even if they get together). He wants her to wait, and he wants her to settle. He wants her to deal with his wife now and his ex-wife in the future as well as his kids. He’s got nothing to offer her except a promise, and when that promise will be accomplished is up in the air, because he might run for a second term, thereby stretching out the amount of time Olivia will spend waiting. And he seems to want that to be enough for her, and it shouldn’t have to be. He was extremely selfish in this episode, and he needed to be pushed off a cliff and fall on every rocky outcropping until he landed at the bottom. Do not force Olivia to do anything. What are you giving her right now? If you were giving her anything, she wouldn’t be avoiding your calls. You better go pray about your life, Fitz.

“I am not yours. I don’t show up places because you want me. I am not yours.”

I don’t have much to say about Olivia. I bet Mellie’s speech about wives and mistresses stuck with her, which, in part, led to her saying this. She needs a very long break from Fitz at this point. She needs to go on a couple of dates.

She was blindsided by Artie, but she can’t be perfect.

I love it when she yells: at Artie to get out of her car, at Fitz to stop walking, at Huck to break down the door, etc.

“You see her again, and I’ll blow you away.”

My favorite line of the episode came from Mellie, and it’s in bold above. My favorite scene involved Mellie, and it’s the scene where she talked about her political future. I will reiterate that I love Bellamy Young’s delivery. Love the way she speaks as Mellie.

I always love it when Mellie is strictly about politics, strictly about the bottom line. The whole thing with her wanting to work out her marriage and having bad feelings about Olivia…..I sometimes feel the writers are trying to get away from the fact that Mellie condoned this affair in season 1 (and in the past) when it meant Fitz would have a cool head. She didn’t care about her marriage then. Does she only want Fitz because a divorce would be bad for her political future? That makes sense, but I feel like the show is starting to play scenes like the one where she was folding baby clothes completely straight. Like it’s more than the fact that they’re getting along and they’re friends. Like she actually has feelings for Fitz and wants to work things out.

But then we get to a scene like her last one in this episode, and we find out that upon learning that Fitz was with Olivia, she started worrying about her political future, not about her marriage.

Everyone else

David is realizing that Oliva didn’t screw him over just because. I love that he’s getting somewhere. He probably slept with Abby to get answers, but whatever the reason, that was not something I needed to see. It didn’t even look like they had a good time. I can’t even imagine that they orgasmed. I wanted him and Olivia to develop a thing! Lord.

I loved seeing Alissa again.

Is Abby going to quit soon? She’s questioning Olivia at every turn, being disappointed by her at every turn, and commenting on how Olivia doesn’t have it together. If that is how she feelings about her boss, why is she still there? She needs to do something soon, because this song she’s starting to sing every episode is kind of tiresome, especially when there’s Harrison who’s been with Olivia just as long as Abby, and he has a little more faith. And of course there’s Huck.

Speaking of Huck: I love that he’s completely there for Olivia. I love the scene in the parking lot. I at first thought those watches were souvenirs of the people he’s tortured and killed, and I was horrified. But it seems they’re simply a collection.

Good on Quinn for telling Abby off. Abby was being unnecessary. Obviously Quinn isn’t going anywhere. Was she just going to be snide to her until the end of time? Abby’s so negative, and I don’t know why. She always has a disparaging comment to make about somebody.

Loved Harrison’s “I’m Quinn, bitch,” and I also loved that woman hitting on him.

*Episode title: Hunting Season

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35 thoughts on “Scandal 2.03: And then I Pushed Fitz Off a Cliff*

  1. Poor Fitz must be wondering who loves him for himself as opposed to his position. Olivia is an intelligent and astute woman who should have known better than to step into that vacuum that was the Grants’ loveless marriage.Did Olivia ever love him from the beginning? Or was he just a project that had to be delivered by any means necessary and in the process she fell into a love that is threatening to consume her?

    Olivia is just as bad as Millie at least Millie doesn’t try to hide it. Fitz is Olivia’s special project, she ran his campaign and he won, his presidency gives her some cache which could be eroded if he leaves office.Fact remains Fitz was ready to leave the Oval until she stymied the suggestion in collusion with his wife. They could have hushed up the Amanda Tanner scandal as per the plan with Millie-sans the pregnancy. Fitz would have then resigned a couple of months later citing family reasons – as per his quip regarding the Director of the CIA. Work to get Millie elected and then they – Litz could have hooked up on the quiet going public after several months or years. But no, Livie had to co-sign to Millie brazen ideas. Excuse the man for grasping at straws whilst drowning.

    • But Olivia doesn’t fix anything half-ass. Don’t forget, that sex tape didn’t just come out. It came out with the chief of staff of the Vice President saying that it’s the president and an intern. And the public has known this chief of staff since the campaign trail. So if Fitz needed a cover-up, he needed an airtight one. So saying that the woman on the tape is not only Mellie but that a baby resulted from it? That’s very airtight. Because the public can argue whether or not it was Mellie. But throw a baby in there, and it’s got more people distracted.

      Fitz is Olivia’s special project, she ran his campaign and he won, his presidency gives her some cache which could be eroded if he leaves office.

      What do you mean by “some cache that could be eroded?” Olivia’s company doesn’t depend on Fitz. No one has walked into Pope and Associates and said, “I know you’re the one who helped the president get elected by telling him to get closer to his wife.” She’s known as the fixer. Actually, the only people who say Olivia got Fitz elected are Cyrus, Fitz, and Olivia. I don’t remember if Mellie has said it. It’s not public knowledge that Liv is the reason Fitz’s campaign didn’t tank.

      Or was he just a project that had to be delivered by any means necessary and in the process she fell into a love that is threatening to consume her?

      They showed in season 1 that she didn’t fall in love with him at first sight, if that’s what you’re asking. She was a campaign aid or whatever, and her job (like everyone else’s job on the campaign trail) was to get him elected.

      I think it’s because she loves him that she didn’t settle for him resigning. Because she knew Cyrus was right that Fitz would not like being an everyday man for long. Not until he sees his term through.

      Fitz can still resign. Why doesn’t he do that if he’s drowning so much?

  2. i love the duality of mellie’s character. on one hand, she’s the business partner. there’s no love or lust between her & fitz. he was a business deal she made with herself to advance her own political endeavors. mellie the business partner gets stuff done & can’t understand why he doesn’t trust her enough or value her opinion enough to understand that. this mellie will arrange for fitz to have time with olivia. she will make sure they have their moments. because she sees olivia as a tool to ensure fitz’s effective leadership.

    mellie the wife, on the other hand, was probably raised on the wedding fantasy. she saw herself marrying a wonderful man & raising wonderful children in a wonderful house in a wonderful neighborhood. she knew that one day she would cook, clean, and nurture her wonderful family. & she would prove her worth as a wonderful wife. that mellie can’t comprehend that she’s not enough for her husband. that mellie can’t comprehend that a wonderful mistress has found her way into her wedding fantasy.

    i think that duality is polarizing her as a character. she wants to be the center of fitz affections. she wants olivia to no longer be in the picture. she also wants the poliitical gain offered a first lady. she wants olivia to keep fitz satisfied she doesn’t have to. idk this ep just gave me a lot of mellie feels.

    on the david/abby front, i feel like david settled with a low-rent olivia because on some level he knows he could never have olivia.

    what concerned me about fitz wasn’t just his blatant disregard of olivia’s feelings/life, national privacy rights and disturbing willingness to throw his weight around. what concerns me is that he’s gotten to a point where he just doesn’t care. the way he was so willing to fuck olivia against a tree in the middle of forest with his security detail within hearing/seeing distance. the way he called her to him without thinking of the people involved in the calling. a number of people who now have a primetime story in their hands. he couldn’t care less because he’s becoming recklessness. & that recklessness is putting them both in harm’s way. we already see how far he’s willing to go to have olivia by his side (willingly or not). but i have a feeling that he’s about to go further. ay dios mio.

    • he was a business deal she made with herself to advance her own political endeavors.

      I like this phrasing a lot.

      With Mellie the wife, I wonder if that wedding fantasy was more forced on her than not. By her parents maybe? That could be why, since she doesn’t have her law career anymore, she’s so desperate to live vicariously through Fitz (and if she can’t have that she’ll forge her own political career).

      on the david/abby front, i feel like david settled with a low-rent olivia because on some level he knows he could never have olivia.

      But I wanted him to at least try. ;(

      the way he was so willing to fuck olivia against a tree in the middle of forest with his security detail within hearing/seeing distance.

      That was so sketchy. Like, really Fitz? I know he’s always been reckless about their relationship, but that was ridiculous. I’m also very surprised that Fitz is pro something like Thorngate. That seems like something that someone like the Vice President would be for if she was president, and we know Fitz is less right wing than she is.

  3. I agree with everything that you said. Especially about Mellie. I don’t get her at all. I’m not buying the ‘you are my husband. I love you. I want to get back on track.’ thing that she’s spinning. Mainly because their marriage is so fucked up. Mellie had an affair and I feel like that was when Fitz was through. That was when he checked out of their marriage. Had they been just a regular man and woman, i think that he would’ve left her. And I think that she would have done the same as well. The only thing that keeps him with her is his presidency and that is the same thing that keeps her there also. They sort of remind me of an arranged marriage. It’s sicking.

    • Mellie had an affair and I feel like that was when Fitz was through.

      They’ve never said that on the show though, right? She told Fitz that he’s the one who changed, not her.

      Yup, if they were a normal couple, they would’ve divorced a long time ago.

      • I believe that it was in one of the flashbacks. It was mentioned briefly that Mellie had an affair and then no one ever said anything about it again. Maybe in the hopes of making her look more like the victim. That was why, when she was giving that speech to the preachers wife about infidelity, I wasn’t feeling her at all.

        • I remember the one Eshara mentions below, the one that came up during the campaign trail, but that one was just an allegation. I don’t doubt that Fitz would have brought it up had she cheated, but he seems more turned off by her personality/ruthlessness.

  4. What do you mean by “some cache that could be eroded?” Olivia’s company doesn’t depend on Fitz. No one has walked into Pope and Associates and said, “I know you’re the one who helped the president get elected by telling him to get closer to his wife.” She’s known as the fixer.

    Those in the nous (players in DC) are aware of Olivia’s role in getting him elected. The Madame in the thought so and she voiced it; something about Olivia softening Fitz image by getting him to play guitar for the cancer kid in the hospice. Olivia tried to rebut that, arguing that the moment was all Fitz, and that somehow it was spontaneous and not contrived.

    Who else? Billy Chambers and Sally Langston.

    His images/pictures of them together are plastered all over her office/take prime position on the console behind her desk. She an obsessed fan? No. Everyone who steps into that office knows that Fitz was Olivia’s client before and after the elections. She gets results; she’s so good, she got her person into the highest office in the land, the White House. Of course that victory comes into play when potential clients are deciding who to go to when they need something handled effectively.

    Also, in the closing scenes of the last Episode; season 1. A bitter Fitz (when she was handing him the Cyrus pre-approved dirt on Sally Langston) alluded to the fact that Olivia’s role in saving his presidency may well take prime position on her CV.

    Fitz is a convenient stepping stone for many a people, for Cy who doesn’t fancy life in the ‘ordinary’ lane, for Millie with her political aspirations, even Olivia, in her professional capacity has a vested interest in making sure that her number one client stays on top. His success is her success, however the difference with Olivia is that she’s always known to sheath her hand of steel in a velvet glove.

    What I can’t get over is the fact is that she’s brilliant but she still ended up in his bed… falling madly in love with him. He was married (never mind the marriage was up isht creek) that alone should have stopped her in her tracks, but hey, the heart is not so smart.

    • Oh I forgot about the Madame.

      Chambers and Langston were on the campaign trail and running against Fitz, so it makes sense that they know, considering Chambers tried to get Olivia on their side.

      I really don’t think Olivia connects her job to Fitz’s presidency. If he were to step down or get vetoed, that wouldn’t undo the fact that she did get him into the presidency (for those that are in the know), but more than that it wouldn’t undo the countless high profile cases she’s handled. Those are the people that recommend her through word of mouth etc, not the president.

  5. I think it’s because she loves him that she didn’t settle for him resigning. Because she knew Cyrus was right that Fitz would not like being an everyday man for long. Not until he sees his term through.

    That too.

    I guess on the campaign trail she got to know him sufficiently well, enough to cast her vote for him. However, the more we see Olivia in play, the more we realise there’s more to her than meets the eye and we need to stop painting her as this selfless noble creature, The difference between Olivia and Millie is that the former has been sufficiently trained in her professional capacity to be subtle…nuanced, she’s comfortable driving the car from the back seat. Millie on the other hand has always fancied her chances in the hot seat and makes no bones about it.

  6. He was a business deal she made with herself to advance her own political endeavors.

    That pretty much sums up Millie in my opinion. The choice of husband, the kids, the career break everything was geared towards snagging co-presidency. I don’t think she ever haboured the thought of a traditional marriage, she read society’s expectations of a woman – embodies Hilary circa the 70s- and figured the only way to get a seat at the table was via Fitz fully hoping that if he/they dazzled sufficiently she’d get a crack at it. End of.

    Maybe, this show will do for Hilary, what 24 did for Obama.

  7. I’m also very surprised that Fitz is pro something like Thorngate. That seems like something that someone like the Vice President would be for if she was president, and we know Fitz is less right wing than she is.

    I think Fitz is pro ‘Thorngate’ in as long as it is used outside the borders of the United States. However, he is in full ‘ticking’ mode – pre-occupied with his doomed liaison with Olivia…the thought of being replaced by her old ‘beau’ – and therefore unable to deal with the facts accordingly. Towards the end of the episode he gave Cy a rather loaded look when they were discussing the fact that Cy was privy to the wall of silence erected by Olivia courtesy of ‘Thorngate’.

    ‘Treegate’ was out of this world. They just revved from smouldering to full blown blaze, ridiculous and delicious! That kiss was fueled with a need to communicate so much; apologise for the low blow, sate his need for her, convince her to not move on, for her to give them a chance, for her to make a way where there’s none. Basically the desperate measures taken by a drowning man.

    You say he should resign? C’mon, this man is POTUS not the president of the local farmers club. Fact of the matter is that way too many people invested for him to get there. Let’s not confuse this with the Edward VIII who abdicated. King Edward VIII was born into it, he never worked for it or strove to earn it. Also, it is said he was pushed out (long story for another day). I don’t think resignation is an option. I just need to know what made Olivia leave the first time… she mentioned something in season 1 about him having said that he wanted to dedicate himself to his marriage (eye roll).

    Fundamentally, I don’t understand how she allowed herself to get with him in the first instance( fully well knowing that he was trying to up his game from Governor to President), then backed down, and is now backing out completely (having developed a conscience?) leaving the man completely tied up in knots. Olivia knew about Millie all along, she saw their dysfunctional marriage up close. Nothing good was going to come of a liaison. At best she should have given him a pity fcuk (he’s hawt) and kept it moving. I guess the heart is not so smart SMH. And then we wouldn’t have a story LOL.

    • I think Fitz is pro ‘Thorngate’ in as long as it is used outside the borders of the United States.

      That didn’t seem to be the case when Olivia confronted him about it. He wasn’t surprised, just angry. And then when he talked to Cy, he was only concerned about the fact that Thorngate had been turned on him. He told Liv that it was to keep the country safe, and we know there are homegrown terrorists, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Fitz’s government sought to spy on the American people (I can imagine Cyrus being for something like that), I’m just surprised he went along with it. He might put a stop to the domestic spying in the coming episodes, but we’ll see.

      I didn’t like Treegate at all, because I care about Olivia and her needs more than I care about Fitz, and he was over the top. It wasn’t cute at all.

      You say he should resign? C’mon, this man is POTUS not the president of the local farmers club. Fact of the matter is that way too many people invested for him to get there. Let’s not confuse this with the Edward VIII who abdicated. King Edward VIII was born into it, he never worked for it or strove to earn it. Also, it is said he was pushed out (long story for another day). I don’t think resignation is an option.

      You said right here that Olivia should have let Fitz resigned (and basically said that she didn’t let him because she’s looking out for number 1, because his presidency gives her “some cache that could be eroded if he leaves”): Fact remains Fitz was ready to leave the Oval until she stymied the suggestion in collusion with his wife. They could have hushed up the Amanda Tanner scandal as per the plan with Millie-sans the pregnancy. Fitz would have then resigned a couple of months later citing family reasons – as per his quip regarding the Director of the CIA. Work to get Millie elected and then they – Litz could have hooked up on the quiet going public after several months or years. But no, Livie had to co-sign to Millie brazen ideas. Excuse the man for grasping at straws whilst drowning.

      So I said that, because of the last sentence, that if Fitz is drowning so much, instead of violating Olivia’s privacy, he should just resign and then let however much time he wants pass before pursuing her. Fitz is not completely optionless here.

  8. Jajp92,As she once told Abby…it’s is her name ‘Olivia Pope’ on the door. For Olivia it’s not just business it really is personal which is brilliant , but with fitz she crossed the line and muddied the waters, and it just can’t seem to stop biting her in the a*se.I really do stand by my argument that Fitz’s presidency bestows some serious kudos on Olivia’s reputation as a fixer and for that reason she has a vested interest in how his presidency pans out. The same way she had a vested interest in making sure Quinn didn’t go down the first time or the second time.

    This reason pales in comparison to other reasons which have been cited here and elsewhere namely; Fitz’s is not cut out for life on Civvie street/ he’s destined for greatness/ alot of people who voted for him are waiting for him to fulfill his campaign promises/ there’s also the possiblity that once out of office he would have resented her, yada, yada. All these reasons are intertwined and feed into the larger picture as to why Olivia didn’t want him to resign.

    Okay, say crazy Artie had succeeded with his dodgy scheme, don’t you think that would have damaged her professional reputation? To have aidded and abbetted a traitor albeit unwittingly?

    Olivia is too classy verbalise the fact that she got Fitz into the Big House, but those pictures on her console speak volumes ( a thousand words someone?). She hosts people in that office ranging from the Executive from Kathy Mitchell’s TV channel to Senator Edison. In commercial terms Fitz’s is gold and his success is hers. If he was really adamant about resigning (thus…er…. effectively ending the show) it would have behoved the team to craft out a scandal free exit. Fitz was denied that opportunity, but it doesn’t negate the fact that although he won some, he lost some and he is full of angst.

    He was ready to put up his hands, admit he’d made mistakes during his tenure and resign. It was ruthless the way Olivia went behind his back and plotted with Millie and shoved him back into play. It was ruthless the way Olivia abducted Quin and kept on manipulating her until Quin’s cover was blown up.

    Olivia is not just in it for altrusic reasons, she is a fixer, she employs manipulation, deceit, spin to make sure her client comes in top and thus her. Rogue clients will not do. Not on her watch.

    Treegate was intense but those were the kicks of a dying man. Fitz is going to get back to his senses and then he’s going to become a soldier for his job ( TG said so) and then we are all going to be bored stiff (shrugs). What can I say, I was entertained whilst it lasted?

    • Okay, say crazy Artie had succeeded with his dodgy scheme, don’t you think that would have damaged her professional reputation? To have aidded and abbetted a traitor albeit unwittingly?

      It would’ve knocked her reputation, but it wouldn’t have killed it. Like Harrison said, it was the first mistake she’d made, and…..she fixed it in the end.

      If he was really adamant about resigning (thus…er…. effectively ending the show)

      Okay, see this right here? Why would the show end if Fitz stopped being president? The show isn’t about him or his presidency. The show is about Olivia. Fitz can continue being president or he can step down, wouldn’t matter. But if Olivia quit her job? Then the show would end, because it’s about Olivia taking care of people’s scandals. Not about Fitz angsting at the White House. He’s a big part of the show, but it doesn’t depend on him.

      It was ruthless the way Olivia abducted Quin and kept on manipulating her until Quin’s cover was blown up.

      All Quinn had to do was leave the identity behind and go to a police station and tell the truth: she didn’t set off the bomb. Olivia and Huck waited to see if she’d taken the identity. If she hadn’t, it would’ve been out of Olivia’s hands unless whoever it is that’s protecting Quinn (the person who hired Olivia) wanted Liv to do something else. Like Fitz, Quinn had a choice.

      Olivia is not just in it for altrusic reasons, she is a fixer, she employs manipulation, deceit, spin to make sure her client comes in top and thus her. Rogue clients will not do. Not on her watch.

      And this is a bad thing? Wasn’t it Huck that said Olivia is as damaged as they are?

      I’m in this for Olivia fixing people’s lives, not Fitz doing his job. I’m confident Shonda Rhimes could write in another man for Olivia, not a placeholder like the senator might be, and I’d love it.

  9. RE: Millie’s Affair.

    I found it strange that Fitz did not bat an eyelid when it was alleged that Millie had/was having an affair with Mr Special Advisor for Literacy. If you go back to the scene, Millie get’s agitated and sort of starts to explain what had happened and Fitz interupts and says…’it’s okay I believe you, you don’t have to explain’… it’s like he is 100% sure someone made off with her lady bits and she’s not about that life. There was something so odd about that scene. And y’know Mr Special Advisor was just quietly blackmailed into denying the allegations. There was something markedly odd about that scene like it somehow explains Millie’s sexual preference/explains why having produced two children is such a big deal for her.

  10. RE: Fitz’s reaction to Thorngate.

    You could be right on that. Having said that I want to see how it pans out, cause I have a feeling Thorngate is linked to why Quinn’s boyfriend and six others were eliminated. I still believe Fitz is moderate enough not to condone the infringemennt of Americans civil liberties.

  11. I think 2nd episode was Liv’s time being over the top (as imo she was played Fitz that episode and was downright cold about it, and it was mean) and this episode it was his turn as no offense Fitz had played it cool.
    BTW Fitz did not have his men grab her from the house, Cyrus did that. Fitz didn’t know she was there until Cyrus hinted at it.
    I was annoyed at Fitz too but Liv has been hurtful too (and she annoyed me last episode) and he actually kept together alot longer than most folks after the things Live pulled.
    I care about both their needs as at the end of the day, I think Fitz and Liv are good people.
    Mellie, I can not figure her out for the life of me and I wish more was given on her early relationship with Fitz.

    • Fitz didn’t know she was there until Cyrus hinted at it.

      I saw someone else say this, and I don’t believe it. Cyrus asked Fitz what he wanted him to do. I believe Fitz told Cyrus to get Olivia. I mean, Fitz will look up all this info on Olivia’s past, but he’ll stop short of telling Cyrus to bring her to him? I don’t think so. I think he was busy playing politician (because what good is it to have the oil guy asking him what’s wrong? We know Fitz doesn’t trust the guy), and he momentarily forgot what Cyrus was referring to. I mean, Cyrus goes behind Fitz’s back, gets Olivia out of her house, prepares shows for her, and Fitz has no idea? That makes Fitz super boring. If it’s true that Cyrus did this all on his own, then as someone who cares about Olivia, Fitz should be telling Cyrus not to pull something like that again because Olivia was pissed about it and it didn’t make him look good, and we should see this next episode. Because we always see Fitz reigning Cyrus in when he truly does something Fitz doesn’t know about and that he disagrees with.

      I think 2nd episode was Liv’s time being over the top (as imo she was played Fitz that episode and was downright cold about it, and it was mean)

      What did she do in the second episode that was cold?

      Honestly, Fitz should be keeping it together forever. Because I’m just making a list of all the things he expects Olivia to deal with while she waits for him, since he doesn’t want to let her go, versus what he has to deal with while waiting for her. And that’s the rub. Fitz isn’t waiting for Olivia. The waiting is on her. She has to stay single until Fitz is available.

      And we can say she can/should move on if she doesn’t want to deal with this, since according to Eshara “men will be men” and it’s all on Liv’s shoulders, but look at what happened when she attempted to. The moment Fitz thought she was seeing someone else, he lost his marbles and sent in the secret service. Smh. And apparently next week he gets to tell her it’s over, whereas he wouldn’t accept it when she said it. Now we don’t know how that will play out as I doubt Shonda is done with them, but just the fact that he’s saying it whereas he wouldn’t accept it from her….that is so sketchy. Lol.

      • Well that is opinion but dialog and reaction and confusion as to why he was being left alone made me think he did not make the call to pull her from the house and Cyrus seems like the type he would do it without the President say so. The way the scene went down, Fitz didn’t know they went to get her. Cyrus does alot shit on his own and really can not be reign in. lol at that. Agree to disagree.

        In the second episode, I think play on her power on Fitz in order to get an investigation down, only to stop taking his calls. That to me was cruel and abuse of their relationship, and I would not be surprise if she did that again. That right there rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like she used Fitz.

        I believe Fitz is human and allow to feel, while yes I don’t agree how he handle the ex-boyfriend thing, his jealousy and him being hurt was similar to Liv’s being upset over Amanda to the point she did hit him (which I don’t see any difference from a man putting hands on a woman and woman putting her hands on a man). And she had no right to be upset as she walked away from him. Hell her ass was jealous over the damn dog.

        I think we view things differently because at the end of the day Fitz was ready to resign until Liv and Mellie shot that to hell.

        • In the second episode, I think play on her power on Fitz in order to get an investigation down, only to stop taking his calls. That to me was cruel and abuse of their relationship, and I would not be surprise if she did that again. That right there rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like she used Fitz.

          Fitz knew Olivia barely wanted to talk to him. She kept reminding him of the 23 people who were working so that he could talk to her. She didn’t play on her power, she told Fitz what she wanted, and he did it. She didn’t blindside him, and I doubt he was surprised when she didn’t pick up. Especially after she turned away from him at the funeral. Unless he’s really bad at picking up physical cues and understanding verbal reluctance, then I don’t know how he could’ve been surprised when she didn’t answer his call.

          (which I don’t see any difference from a man putting hands on a woman and woman putting her hands on a man)

          Weight difference, height difference, and muscle power. Fitz has never hit Olivia, but I assume you’re talking about physical hitting, fighting, and abuse?

  12. J, if Artie had successfully made off, forget loss of reputation, OP&A would have been languishing in prison…with Abby singing like a canary, trying to cut a deal all whilst dumping on Liv’s doorstep (that’s gratitude for you).

    Also, why are you knocking Fitz? I know, I know, I know the show is supposed to be about Liv’s awesomeness but Fitz is coming in strong. I am into that angsty love of theirs (which is proving to be an audience magnet to no end).

    RE: Quinn owning up. Let’s just say your belief in the American criminal justice system far surpasses mine…mine and Quinn’s. I’m sure Olivia had procured the services of the best legal brains money could buy, but as we later saw, bar Olivia’s intervention (calling in higher ups that we could not even begin to contemplate) Quinn’s fears would have come to pass. Bar Liv’s intervention, Quinn would have been languishing on death row thanking the heavens for the fact that she’d managed to enjoy two years of faking it as a lawyer. My opinion?Lindsay was right to bolt.

    I hear you about Olivia doing her thing and dazzling us,however there is something borderline OTT about Scandal writing that although it excites it somehow threatens to dilute what would be potentially Kerry’s vehicle to sonic status. I think that is where I start to struggle with my love for ‘Scandal’ vis-a-vis ‘ The Good Wife’. I presume you are au-fait with the latter show? In the latter show everything is low key and discrete, I mean Alicia and Will had a very torrid but quiet affair, I couldn’t even begin to understand when it was alleged that her estranged husband’s political frenemies/her legal opponents had caught wind of it. Whilst on the other hand, with Scandal we have ‘Treegate’ which titillates and horrifies us at the same time. I just don’t know.

    • J, if Artie had successfully made off, forget loss of reputation, OP&A would have been languishing in prison…with Abby singing like a canary, trying to cut a deal all whilst dumping on Liv’s doorstep (that’s gratitude for you).

      Oh yeah, I forgot about the legal problem Liv faced if Artie had gotten away.

      Also, why are you knocking Fitz?

      Because what he did was wrong, wrong, wrong and he overstepped his boundaries. I mean did you see Olivia’s face when he was rattling out facts about her life that she never told him?

      RE: Quinn owning up. Let’s just say your belief in the American criminal justice system far surpasses mine…mine and Quinn’s. I’m sure Olivia had procured the services of the best legal brains money could buy, but as we later saw, bar Olivia’s intervention (calling in higher ups that we could not even begin to contemplate) Quinn’s fears would have come to pass. Bar Liv’s intervention, Quinn would have been languishing on death row thanking the heavens for the fact that she’d managed to enjoy two years of faking it as a lawyer. My opinion?Lindsay was right to bolt.

      Wait, so then why were you saying that Olivia “manipulated” Quinn and is still “manipulating” her? If, as you’re saying here, Olivia actually provided Quinn a way out, the why were you trying to paint it as some con against Liv that Quinn currently doesn’t have all the facts about her life?

      I don’t watch The Good Wife.

  13. Wait, so then why were you saying that Olivia “manipulated” Quinn and is still “manipulating” her? If, as you’re saying here, Olivia actually provided Quinn a way out, the why were you trying to paint it as some con against Liv that Quinn currently doesn’t have all the facts about her life?

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    Yes, fact of the matter is that Olivia is welding a double edged sword. Which is a good thing and bad thing for obvious reasons.

  14. Also, why are you knocking Fitz?

    Because what he did was wrong, wrong, wrong and he overstepped his boundaries. I mean did you see Olivia’s face when he was rattling out facts about her life that she never told him?

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    Fitz is a man in love racked with extreme jealousy. In my opinion, worse acts have been commited by jeolous lovers- see Helen of Troy. In this case he just lashed out using the only weapons available in his arsenal. In an ideal world, the estranged lovers are expected to make time and talk things through in a polite and courteous manner. How often does this happen? I don’t have the statistics, but going by the break-ups and make-ups in this world, I would argue that 9 times out of 10 people hit the vicious button (sometimes with dire consequences).before coming to their senses.

    They live in a high octane bubble and communication has proven to be hard…I don’t think he was being propelled by malice.

    • Fitz is a man in love racked with extreme jealousy.

      I don’t care. That’s the bottom line: I don’t care what he’s racked with. He needs to control himself and his stalking/man-handling tendencies.

      • This is not logical though and I think you expect more robot stuff from Fitz and imo that is unfair and that type of thinking why Politicians are inherent liars because people want them to control themselves.
        But then again you stated you really could give two shits about Fitz well being, so that why I do think you overblowing the situation and making some assumptions (i.e. the hunting trip).

        BTW I don’t think he sent his secret service to get her as he seem to want to see her because he was angry but however conflicted because he missed her so mix those two conflicting feelings and you get that scene.

        • This is not logical though and I think you expect more robot stuff from Fitz and imo that is unfair

          It’s unfair and robot-like to expect Fitz not to use his power to force Olivia to talk to him, to get her ex fired just because he’s jealous, and to run background checks on her because he’s jealous? It’s basically unfair to expect him to respect Olivia’s boundaries?

          But then again you stated you really could give two shits about Fitz well being, so that why I do think you overblowing the situation and making some assumptions (i.e. the hunting trip).

          Oh, I care about Fitz. I’ve only reviewed three episodes of the show, but I care about Fitz. He’s moped before and been miserable and has taken steps to see Olivia, and that’s never bothered me. It didn’t bother when he displaced himself to go see Olivia. Been displacing Olivia to come see him when she doesn’t want to? I don’t condone it, I don’t like it, and I don’t excuse it. Especially when Olivia hasn’t and literally cannot pull what Fitz pulled in this episode. Olivia forcing the president to come talk to her just because she wants to see him and she’s jealous? Or…since you don’t think Fitz was the one who told Cyrus what to do….Olivia’s friends or coworkers forcing the president to come see Olivia because their boss is unhappy? When has that happened? When will it happen?

  15. I don’t care. That’s the bottom line: I don’t care what he’s racked with. He needs to control himself and his stalking/man-handling tendencies.
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    I understand what you are saying. In real life I wouldn’t expect anything less than that, however him coming apart at the seams made for some of the best TV I’ve seen in a while (shrugs).

    • In real life I wouldn’t expect anything less than that, however him coming apart at the seams made for some of the best TV I’ve seen in a while (shrugs).

      What makes it entertaining is that it is messy as hell. Wishing or justifying the messiness away, makes it boring for me. Fitz fucked up and this relationship is really unhealthy for Olivia. It will be interesting to see how far he takes this and what Olivia’s response will be.

      • @Susan. Truth.

        The fact of the matter is that art imitates life and vice versa, and truth be told, there are people in the audience who have been embroiled in this sort of messy (if not messier) pull-push situation.

        As an aside, I know this is supposed to be Kerry’s show, but Tony Goldwyn is in danger of running off with it.

  16. Or was he just a project that had to be delivered by any means necessary and in the process she fell into a love that is threatening to consume her?

    I said it, I said it, I said it!!!

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