Season 4 Premier: The Pain Continues

Synopsis

Trailer Thanks Emily, for the heads up!

Stills Thanks, Cana!

Sneak Peak 1, Courtesy of Emily

Sneak Peak 2

Season 4 Promo

Things to look forward to in the premier (and a little on episode 2)

Another premier screening report at TVOvermind

Another 4.01 screening: 7 things to look forward to in the premier

Zach Roerig interview. Contains spoilers about Matt and some plot points stemming from the premier

Canadian Promo It’s super dark.

UK Promo

Please refrain from posting spoilers for the upcoming episodes/general spoilers in this post. This is the spoilers/speculation post for episode 1 and episode 1 only. Please e-mail any future spoilers about the rest of the season 4 eps to me, and I’ll bring them up in the spoiler chat and post them (with credit) as usual.

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194 thoughts on “Season 4 Premier: The Pain Continues

  1. In a rare moment of empathy, Rebekah (guest star Claire Holt) is deeply touched by Stefan and Elena’s devotion to one another.

    I guess. But why is this included in the synopsis?

    • Lol at that sentence. Lol at the entire synopsis tbh.

      My spec is that, since Rebekah, Stefan and Elena all end up in cages, Rebekah will hear all the SE drama (“Stefan, I’m dying”, “Nooo”, and probably “Kill me, but let her/him go!”) and will be so ~touched that, later, when she is in a position to help them, she will. Thus, Rebekah will transition from Villain Who Killed The Protagonist to just the show’s mean girl. Because humanity and stuff.

      The part about “a rare moment of empathy” bugs me. TVD is all about their villains, bad boys & girls having epic emo moments that show their ~humanity. Damon, Klaus, Ripper Stefan, Rebekah (with Matt in 314), Elijah etc. It happens all the time and is not something special (Like, Kol is the only bad guy I can think of right now who has never had such an emo moment. Bless, and please never come back, k.)

      Poor Rebekah, I hope they didn’t give her too many cringeworthy lines when they are having her praise SE. – Hey, maybe this scene will be what inspires her to go apologize to Matt? SE makes her heart grow a few sizes.

      • I think that’s what will happen too. We do see that Elena is in a cage at some point. For some reason I never considered that she might be among the vamps kidnapped. I’m wondering how Bonnie gets into the cage? Idk, but I do think Elena will have a cage moment with Stefan and Rebekah will be in her own little cage experiencing a moment of growth or whatever. Because like her brother said, love like that doesn’t just die. Or something.

        I was going to say something about Rebekah being touched by the love between a 100-year-old man and an 18 year old, because I was going to ask how many of such stories are a success in TVD world, but I just remembered that Elena is now a vamp, so no need to ever introduce a character who is cynical about old vamps hooking up with humans who can’t vote.

        I know right? It’s not rare. And Olu pointed out that they used the word empathy in the wrong way.

        I’m sure the camera will zoom in on her while Stelena talk and she’ll swallow and look down, all contemplative about the kind of love she wants. And then maybe after she’s rescued she goes home to Klaus to tell him what she’s learned about love, and he kicks her out, so her homeless storyline begins (if they’re still doing it).

  2. I don’t even know what to say. I can’t wait to get sucked in TVD this season. Stefan is going to be epic this season. I think/hope/assume. =D

        • Because there are so many chars on this show – way more chars than these writers can handle. So either they’ll focus on giving Hayley a story and short-change the non-Trio regs in return or they’ll just keep her around without any purpose (kind of like Meredith and Katherine nowadays). I’m not looking forward to either.

          Having said that, I do think that Rebekah/Hayley could be an interesting ship.

          • I’ve always thought that Jeremy has been boring since Anna left and that Bonnie has been poorly written once they turned her into a complainer. So if Hayley eats into a boring Jeremy and Matt clean up tables at the grill storyline where they magically find a $20 on the ground that somehow relates to the plot at the finale… I’d prefer Hayley ^^ It’s pretty obvi all Bonnie is gunna do is get mad AGAIN that people want her help and then she’s gunna turn on them. I’m open for something knew and exciting.

    • I don’t want Hayley for the whole season, not if she’s going to be used for Forwood stuff. Plus, she’s only here to tell us how Tyler broke his bond or whatever, and unless they turn their relationship romantic, I don’t know what she could be doing for a whole season.

      But you never minded all of the Originals in season 3, right? Lol.

      • Since I’ve loved Tonkin in every show she’s ever been on, the more eps she is in the better! She could be falling in love with Rebekah, obviously! Bekah needs a non crappy, supernatural, love interest.

  3. I know I´m late but I love the new design and I love your new icon Alta. Favourite promoshoot. Hope we get more pics and especially some kind of group pic or maybe only the girls.

    Love the title and I think I´m not prepared for the show being back soon.

    • Thanks, Kathrin!

      Lol. I’m not even thinking about it. Scandal comes back this week! I don’t know if you watch it, but I’m going to review (in text) the episodes starting Thursday.

  4. I edited the post to include a new general promo for season 4. It basically tells us the state/world of Mystic Falls. The show in the trailer looks pretty interesting :/.

  5. So Cadlymack has seen the first two episodes and I’ve linked her teases in the post.

    “Seriously sexy” Stelena scene. I don’t know when they’re going to find time to be “seriously sexy” in the first ep, but I’ll wait and see.

    I hope she mis-worded the “She can now literally feel other people’s emotions” part wrt Elena. Because…..she can literally feel their emotions? What? Why?

    I don’t know why some of these article writers talk about Bonnie “getting to be” the hero. It’s not some kind of privilege, it’s a fact. But oh my freaking God, I hope Damon isn’t the one she’s letting into her house. Or Stefan. Damn, just tell me she hasn’t let Caroline into her house this entire time and they’re finally showing it onscreen. Or it could be Elena. As long as it’s neither of the Salvatores and especially not Damon. Jesus.

    PLEASE DON’T LET IT BE ALARIC WHO COMES BACK!!!!! Tears sprung to my eyes when I read that. I’m not exaggerating.

    Klaus brutally breaks someone’s heart. Rebekah for 200, Alex.

    I’m at a complete loss wrt Jeremy.

    • “Seriously sexy” Stelena scene. I don’t know when they’re going to find time to be “seriously sexy” in the first ep, but I’ll wait and see.

      I’m pretty sure that’s one of the spoilers for 4.02.

      I hope she mis-worded the “She can now literally feel other people’s emotions” part wrt Elena. Because…..she can literally feel their emotions? What? Why?

      I hope so too. This is such a bad idea. But can I see the writers going for this? Oh yes. I can see the whole point of the Elena/April SL being to demonstrate Elena’s new ‘ability’. (And then they’ll kill April off in order to give us a sequence of Elena crying because these writers can’t help themselves.)

      But oh my freaking God, I hope Damon isn’t the one she’s letting into her house. Or Stefan. Damn, just tell me she hasn’t let Caroline into her house this entire time and they’re finally showing it onscreen. Or it could be Elena. As long as it’s neither of the Salvatores and especially not Damon. Jesus.

      Unfortunately I think it is very, very unlikely that it’s Caroline. However, I do think it could be Elena and it’s a scene where the writers are trying to create a big friendship moment. Like, I could see them having Bonnie say that Elena’s the first vampire she’s invited in and going on how they are ~sisters and ~bonded for life. What makes me question this scenario, though, is this one spoiler about Bonnie and Elena going seperate ways for a while at the beginning of S4 (if I remember that correctly).

      If it’s not Elena, I suspect it’s Damon and it’s about the two of them teaming up for plot purposes and snarking. Didn’t JP tweet about enjoying their snark? Although I guess there’s an outside chance it’s Stefan and it’s about reinstating him as the good brother/showing he has regained Bonnie’s trust. Ugh.

      PLEASE DON’T LET IT BE ALARIC WHO COMES BACK!!!!! Tears sprung to my eyes when I read that. I’m not exaggerating.

      The way this is worded it does awfully sound like Alaric, doesn’t it? Oh no. Nonono.

      I’m at a complete loss wrt Jeremy.

      I have no idea either. I want to be interested in this but knowing this show…

      but to Klaus’s credit, he absolutely does try to tell Caroline before she full-on mouth-attacks him

      *eye twitch* Look at them trying to preserve Klaroline.

      • Yikes, I forgot to edit the post here, but yeah I went back and re-read it and I realized it was talking about episode 2.

        The first thing I thought about was Charmed. I don’t remember if you watched it, but one of the sisters developed the power of Empathy in the first season. I hope this isn’t how they’ve resolved to make Elena stand out from the rest as a vampire.

        I remember that spoiler too, and that’s why I put Elena last as a possibility. But maybe this will be their last scene before they start doing their own things? It always happens. In season 2 they hung out at the carnival in ep 2 and then didn’t share a scene until the 6th episode. Maybe Elena comes to see Bonnie in order to “empathize” about how she knows she sacrificing a lot for her. And since Carina McKenzie has decided that the scene is great, Bonnie probably lays flat as a doormat for Elena.

        I know right, re: Jeremy. You know how I feel about his ghost power, so I’m not thrilled about anything that lets him further encroach in an area where he doesn’t belong. Will Bonnie ever summon another ghost with Jeremy on the show as medium?

        I rolled my eyes at this stupid sentence. Oh we have to give Klaus credit because he tried. It’s just that the situation was out of his hand. Well gee, where’s my golden star.

        • I know right, re: Jeremy. You know how I feel about his ghost power, so I’m not thrilled about anything that lets him further encroach in an area where he doesn’t belong. Will Bonnie ever summon another ghost with Jeremy on the show as medium?

          Elena’s new power is going to encroach on Bonnie’s territory too. She is the one who can feel others and read minds by touch. Now Elena will be able to feel other people too but it will be extra special because of her ~great compassion~

      • but to Klaus’s credit, he absolutely does try to tell Caroline before she full-on mouth-attacks him

        Because Klaus is noble like that. Riiiight

        • Why is it being described as a mouth-attack? Caroline is kissing her boyfriend. Why is she being assigned the word “attack,” considering the situation? God, I wonder if Klaus is going to gloat about this kiss.

      • *eye twitch* Look at them trying to preserve Klaroline.

        I hate it so much but it was expected. Now it´s Caroline´s fault because she didn´t wait for him to explain. As if this guy would not be strong enough to distance himself from her to tell her the truth.

  6. I’m surprised that Klaus is going to be the one to ask for his body back. And it doesn’t sound like Bonnie will have enough power to do it comfortably. Exactly how long was she planning on him staying inside Tyler?

    • Yeah that´s what I´m asking myself aswell.

      Btw how do they even know that his body is not completely burned to ashes? Is Klaus sending some hybrids to inspect his body?

      • I’m sure they’re going to say Bonnie put a spell to preserve his body. Probably like Ayanna did for Esther.

        If this show was better, Klaus would actually act like he lived around Bonnie’s ancestor. Same for that bitch Elijah. Bonnie’s ancestor taught his useless mother magic and then years later he gives no shits about The descendants. But he’s crying about his honor.

  7. I don’t know about you but I am counting down the milliseconds until The Vampire Diaries is back where it belongs: on perpetual repeat on my TV screen. To help us get even more pumped for all the Mystic Falls goodness, I chatted with the unbelievably sweet Kat Graham about what fans can expect from next week’s season premiere. When we last saw Bonnie, she was acting like a badass and rebelling against the spirit’s wishes to kill Klaus (Joseph Morgan), which in turn would kill a handful of her closest friends (Damn vampire lineage thing!) Graham warns that her witchy ancestors are less than pleased with her decision. “The biggest thing they’ve done so far is take away her powers,” she says. “They’re going to do something even worse than that to her for a repercussion. They’re going to really really do something bad to her.” After learning the truth, I suggest you have a few boxes of tissues close by, TVD fans.

    Source: http://www.hollywood.com/news/Leannes_Spoiler_List_Vampire_Diaires_Glee_Supernatural_How_I_Met_Your_Mother_Sopilers/41539286

    So they are not taking away her powers. What do you think will happen?

  8. I need this episode to air so that I can get it over with. I officially have a huge problem with the fact that any movement in Bonnie’s story stems from Elena. It honestly did not use to be like that, but as of season 3, her powers manifest based on how they can be used for Elena. Now her sense of self is going to be crippled because of…..how much she could and couldn’t do for Elena? Will Elena even be written to care about this? That’s the funny part. She’s not gonna care. Maybe, and that’s a huge maybe, she’ll say some generic words of encouragement and then she’ll go fret about the things/people/issues that actually matter to her. They talk about how amazing it is that Bonnie’s willing to go far for Elena, but there’s zip about anything Elena feels for or does for Bonnie. Like, they’re not even amazed by the friendship. They’re just in awe of how much she’s willing to suffer for her. It’s a dismissal. Making a big deal about Bonnie’s loyalty and self-sacrificial tendencies is actually the best way to dismiss her. How many of the people fawning over how loyal and self-sacrificial Bonnie is think about her beyond that? “Ooo look at how much she’s willing to sacrifice for Elena!” It’s a blurb, an acknowledgement, and then they move on to the (female) characters who actually have lives.

    The way Bonnie uses her power is no longer dynamic, because the plot is no longer dynamic. Every time, it’s about making things easier for Elena. When was the last time Bonnie looked out for the actual town? Well, when was the last time the town was in danger (like with the tomb vamps and even Klaus breaking the curse) instead of Elena.

    I have a rant brewing regarding the witches being the servants of nature and how, from what we’ve been shown, it’s pretty much just hot air. I might do it on the podcast for the premier or I might wait until the podcast for episode 7 since a spoiler for that episode is what sparked the thought/frustration.

  9. Whether he’ll come bearing supernatural gifts of his own or not, vampire hunter Connor (played by Todd Williams) will certainly shake things up in Mystic Falls. “Todd is a heck of a guy. He comes in being the new ‘B.A.’ vampire hunter. Previously our only vampire hunter was the history teacher,” Zach said. “Now we have this ‘Blade’-style vampire hunter. And not just because he’s black, but because he’s so badass. He’s definitely a force to be reckoned with.”

    Holy crap, a White person on the TVD crew sees race and acknowledged that a character is Black! And compared him to an iconic Black character! Stop the presses!

    Zach cautiously revealed that Matt will have an “altercation” with Connor. “Previously Matt has been divided on whether he’s with vampires or against vampires. But with Elena being a vampire, he’s now on the opposite side of the law.”

    What a tragedy. Vicky who?

    • Lol three years of waiting for another group shot and they give us this.

      I don´t even know about Meredith and Rebekah, their hair styles look horrible.
      Probably nobody is in character and the outfits, lol.

      She looks so old in all those new promoshoots.

      Tyler side-eyes the shoot or Ian´s hair.

      It looks like they made pictures separately and then somebody from the promo team put them together. Why can´t we have something like the season 1 promo shoot where they at least took that picture together.

    • Why is Matt grouped with the Originals?

      Jeremy looks as if he just walked into this shoot and feels like he doesn’t belong there.

      I guess the Elejah and Klefan shippers are very happy with this pic.

      • Because he is going to kill them all, just like our fav Original Finn 😉

        So true, lol. Just realized that.

        Yup, it also looks like Klaus admires Stefan´s hair or something.

      • I don’t think there’s any rhyme or reason to this picture. I don’t think they thought further than “put the Trio together and in the center” and “put the Original siblings in the same spot.” TVD doesn’t do symbolism, rme.

  10. Is there something new in the canadian promo? I thought it´s mostly the same stuff.

    One guy that throws a punch or something in one shot looks like Uncle John, but that´s not possible. Maybe it´s Pastor Young or something.

    • There’s Liz telling the Pastor he has no idea what he’s doing. According to the comments, there’s a shot of when Damon compelled Elena to forget his love confession, there’s a new angle of when Bonnie passes out, and there’s Elena saying she’s dead (or dying, I don’t remember). Those are the differences I saw.

  11. Have to agree with everyone the promo shoot is quite bad lol. I thought that there was at least suppose to be at least a story but nope it looks like they took individual pictures, photoshopped everyone in one pic and added some random background. Seriously even the clothes are like ”what”

    I dont think the Canadian promo really had anything new, I also thought it was UJ but I dont know.

    Also about all the latest spoilers are the writers serious? Zach’s interview about Matt I have no words lol. The Salvatores have nothing to say to Matt seriously the writing on this show is really creepy and questionable. Im sure fans will think this is normal just how it is normal that Bonnie is always willing to die and risk her health for Elena yet we have never seen Elena do anything for Bonnie.

    Alta all the awards for your tumblr post,I am actually interested to seeing what her response will be. If people cannot see how questionable the writin for Bonnie is it is quite sad.

    • Nikki!!!! Hi!

      Kat looks like she’s in a high-fashion photoshoot, and Torrey, Claire, and Candice look like they’re about to participate on a runway show.

      Thank you!!!

      • Hi Alta been a while, how are you?
        :sighs: The show is back soon so its back to the ranting lol.

        Lol seriously, I actually dont know what I expected considering it is the CW and they always tend to have weird photoshoot.

        Hmm I wonder what made them finally decide to have a cast shoot?

        • I’m fine. How are you?

          I know right? And there’s no Scandal next week for me to escape after watching it! At least I’ll finally watch Elementary live. *Sigh.*

          Probably all the Twitter and few article complaints over the course of season 3.

          • Elementary is fun, but it sucks when I compare it to Sherlock which is mind blowing. I’m enjoying it so far! The new shows that are exploding with epic moments for me are Revolution, surprisingly, and Last Resort.

            • Also Hart of Dixie just came back and is full of adorableness. Fringe is back full of epic future goodness. Haven and Supernatural are back. /tv everyday

            • I’m loving Elementary. Thursday’s episode was hilarious and I loved the mystery they had to solve. I don’t watch BBC Sherlock. I never would’ve checked out Elementary if it wasn’t for the BBC Sherlock fans bashing Lucy Liu’s casting as Watson, but I’m glad I did.

              • I love that they casted Lucy Liu! Making for a fun show. But yeah, Elementary doesn’t hold a candle to the Sherlock show. At first you think you’ll hate it cause british shows naturally suck. But then it overtakes you and every season 2 episode is like experiencing the best episode of anything. So good! Should check it out =D If you watch it all, it won’t disappoint!

  12. Alta, we can talk about the UK TVD promo right?
    Better than the other promo’s, also please do not ruin Connor I feel like eventually he will join the gang for whatever reason its really nice to see someone actually against them and who doesnt care for any vampires. Also him at the church aiming at Elena lol dude is serious.

  13. I found the UK promo! It’s in the opening post above. It contains scenes from season 2, so it’s not big deal if you guys talk about the scenes on the trailer in this post.

    Connor looks really hot. Please don’t let one of those White people kill him. :(. *Sigh.*

    I’m thinking Pastor Young is going to think Elena’s just a vampire sympathizer, not someone who’s in transition. He’s going to be her first kill.

    It’s probably how the UK people made the trailer (bless them), but Connor aiming at Elena while she’s on the podium is creepy. She’s going to speak at the funeral of the man she just killed (I’m guessing)? Lmao. So messy.

    Oh Bonnie. *Sigh.*

    One Salvatore is punching the other. This is so refreshing *_____*.

    • Oh God. What if Elena beats vampirism by sheer force of will and becomes something else instead? Or even worse, what if she stays human?

      • She won’t. She can’t. The synopsis for episode 3 tells me so. But they’re going to make her special somehow. If you think about it, what made her special in maybe the first two episodes of season 1 was that these vampires are interested in her. Then it was that she looks like Katherine. She’s a doppelganger. But she was still human, you know? Now there isn’t anything that distinguishes her from Katherine: she’s a doppel vamp with two brothers in love with her and who loves both. So I’m sure before the season ends they’ll find something.

        • Lol rolling my eyes so hard because I know you are right, the reason they are dragging her transition for four eps its to try to make it so special, maybe she will be the key to something else lol.

    • POSSIBLE SPOILER FOR EPISODE 2

      She’s going to speak at the funeral of the man she just killed (I’m guessing)? Lmao. So messy.

      I don´t think you will like that but I have a feeling that this memorial is not like we assumed about Pastor Young and this interview tidbit makes me thinking it is for Alaric:

      THR: The second episode featured a tribute to characters who have come and gone, as well as a very revealing – and human – moment for Damon. Why were those pivotal to include?

      Plec: It was our way of tipping our hat, not only to everyone that we’ve lost on the show but to the Alaric (Matt Davis) character, who we wanted to make sure we got to properly mourn and say goodbye to before we moved into our new season and our new story. Also, to give a moment for Elena to say goodbye to her human life, for her to mourn herself because that’s it. In remembering all the people that they’ve lost, they’re able to let their grief come out, deal with it and move forward.

      Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/vampire-diaries-season-4-preview-376598

      Her love for this character and We all bleed red knows no bounds.

      • Really? How many times are we gonna say goodbye to Alaric? Especially when we know we are going to see him again as a ghost. I bet money that Jeremy will have another goodbye when he stops seeing him as a ghost in later episodes. I’m happy Bonnie isn’t there.

      • Jesus Christ, is JP serious with this? My God. Alaric’s dead, and she’s STILL trying to make him happen. The only character I care about being mourned is Sheila, because she was the only one where the person who lost her didn’t move on after 2 episodes. Vicky and Jenna never stood a chance, unfortunately, but they are the other two people I would care about.

  14. I guess that spoiler about seeing an old and familiar face will be Alaric in the second episode probably as a ghost. I was really getting my hopes up about seeing Lucy again…

  15. lol seriously I dont get the pics, and what is that on Tyler’s shoulder? lol
    Im confused do they have to do anything with their sls this season? I guess maybe the Klaus with the snake makes a bit of sense but Im still not sure what they are trying to say.

    Looking forward to Bonnie’s.

    • I don’t know why Klaus is talking about power while Tyler and Caroline are talking about love. And what both of them are saying about love has nothing to do with their characters.

      • Lol I dont get it either also Tyler’s caption is really sad lol it really shows his sl revolves around Caroline.Still lol at whatever is on his shoulder.

        Im looking forward to everyones promo now as Im sure we wont get them either lol.

        • Tyler shouldn’t be possessed by love. But I’m still of the opinion that they ruined his character by washing away all of his prickly parts when they put him with Caroline.

          ;(

  16. I’ve heard a bit about the first two episodes of The Vampire Diaries but need more Rebekah spoilers!! HELP! — Ty
    True story: When I was a kid, I once gave my sister’s Barbie tattoos using permanent marker. I thought it looked cool. She didn’t feel the same way. Why am I sharing? Because I can relate to Rebekah, who ends up destroying a sibling’s precious property some time during the first two episodes. Suffice to say her punishment is a little more severe than getting sent to her room.

    Does she destroy Klaus’ precious paintings? *_____*. I kid. Someone in the comments of the article speculated that she might destroy his doppelganger blood stash. Hmm. I can see him being pissed enough to through her out of the house because of that. But the fact that he’s able to through her out of the house in the first place as if he’s her father or we’re back in the 1100s: ugh.

    There are two TVD spoilers. The first decidedly about the premier, but I think it’s in the premier too that Rebekah will get kicked out: http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/08/homeland-supernatural-vampire-diaries-the-walking-dead-spoiler-room/2/#disqus_thread

  17. Another review of the premiere screening with a MAJOR spoiler

    … it´s Grams who is going to be back. Maybe Bonnie sees her on the other side?

    Even better, Grams (Jasmine Guy), a character who had to be killed off, but was done so way too son, returns as the face of Bonnie’s warning. This is a wise woman who knows lots about magic that Bonnie isn’t mature or experienced enough to figure out yet, and as Bonnie does trust her, she is a reasonable representation of good sense, whether she’s really there, or just in Bonnie’s head. Grams also serves another purpose, allowing Bonnie to be punished without hurting any of the major characters.

    Source: http://www.seat42f.com/tv/the-vampire-diaries-season-4-premiere-review

    Urgh at the last sentence.

    • I just read it! *CRIES.*

      It’s funny that the article says it’s important for the teenagers to have consequences, yet in the same article says that things are going to work out so that Bonnie’s the only one who suffers.

      I attempted to space out your first sentence from the reveal but the format isn’t cooperating, so I just put “major” in all caps as a warning.

      • I´m so happy about that … I speculated about Emily or Grams being on the other side as some kind of warning for her. And now it´s true.

        But now I remember something … isn´t Jeremy supposed to see something nobody else can, is this some spoiler I imagine or was this for the second episode? Because I don´t hope that it´s Jeremy who can see Grams. That would be awful.

        yet in the same article says that things are going to work out so that Bonnie’s the only one who suffers.

        Yeah I hate it so much.

  18. I watched yet another fanvid that featured E.T by Katy Perry the other day. I wish someone would use that song for a Jeremy/Jeremy’s harem vid – especially with this April and that werewolf girl coming.We all know he will get with one of them. If you imagine him as the singer, it is perfect for Jeremy.

    I have nothing to add to the actual discussion here.

  19. More character portraits are out! http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/10/the-vampire-diaries-first-look-bonnie-elijah-and-rebekah.html

    Bonnie’s holding a half-moon wand/relic thing with a bug person on it. There’s a spot of blood on the top corner of her portrait. I like it.

    Elijah’s words make sense for his character.

    I don’t get Rebekah’s.

    I guess the blood on Matt is symbolic of what he’s gonna do: http://tatia-charlotte-petrova.tumblr.com/post/33305601978/vulnera-sapientia-wounds-to-wisdom

    So the only ones who suck are Tyler and Caroline’s and probably Rebekah’s.

    Ugh. We still haven’t gotten the Trio’s. Oy.

  20. I could be wrong, but I think Rebekah’s words are suppose to be about Klaus I think betraying her, there was a spoiler saying she wil get her heart broken or something so Im guessing it has something to do with that IDK lol.

    Also I like Bonnie’s one but IDK I feel like it is missing something, she looks gorgeous and the words fit her, which Im guessing is her using dark magic.
    IDK if you ever saw the fan made promo but I feel like it is better.

    Daniel/Elijah looks good.

    Im with you not a fan of Tyler’s especially.

    Actually forgot about the Trio lol.

    • Lol was just about to post that, thanks.
      I think it does have something to do with whatever is happening to him, didnt Carina mention that he will start seeing something else. The thing is I am wondering how is that possible the reason he could see ghosts was because of Bonnie/consequence so where is this coming from?

    • Oh my word, that is so ugly. Maybe it’s because I’m seeing it on my iPod but it’s ugly.

      Jeremy’s is the one I have the least faith in since the writers refuse to let him grow up.

      Sent from my iPod

      • Lol it does look off, seriously the photoshop is out of control. It almost seems like that is not even his hands.

        His caption makes sense ”blood is destiny” Im guessing this has to do with the whole vampire hunter legacy and him following in the Gilberts footsteps.

        Also Alta have you seen the ep description for ep4?

        • Yes! It seems like they created a hand in photoshop. I asked myself if they’d really painted that stuff on Steven’s hand.

          No, not yet! I’m in class. *Runs*

          • oops sorry, lol look at us distracting you.
            But erm so Damon is helping Elena find her victims and Bonnie is where exactly? If it gives us a scene like Bonnie/Stefan will be happy but I feel like the road trip will annoy me as I feel like they will mainly be concentrating on D/E.

            • Lol, don’t worry about it. I’m going to get worst with paying attention in this class when the season starts. Lol.

              Nooooo, wait until the 4.01 podcast when I do the spoiler chat to talk about any other ep summaries. Lol. This post is for episode 1 spec only. But I read the synopsis.

  21. Also watched a Kat interview and she mentioned something that I think all Bonnie fans want to know. Can that be discussed here or will have to wait? lol.

    • If it’s a general thing about her journey this season, then it’s fine. But if it has to do with a specific episode or a twist, then just e-mail it to me and we’ll be able to talk about it in the post for the 4.01 podcast.

      Sent from my iPod

      • Ok well here you go.

        I was always interested in Kat’s opinion on Bonnie’s sex life or lack of lol but the way the show is going she probably wont get one or it will be at the end of the series.

        Also love Kat but I am going to have to disagree on JP/writing.

        • “You were saying season 4 is your favorite season for Bonnie since season 2.” Awesome. Nice to know she pretty much hated season 3. It showed in some of her performances as well as her interviews. Not to mention that one tumblr post where it seemed like she was fed-up. Maybe season 4 will be different. *Cautious.*

          She’s lying on JP. Smh.

          She’s playing Bonnie as a virgin. Good. I like it better that way, because…..just because of everything. Ugh.

          • Lol Right, I also noticed that season 3 was not mentioned, but saying that I think every single one of the cast hated season 3.

            Kat has a tumblr/twitter so she knows how her fans feel, sometimes I feel like in interviews she always tries to hype up Bonnie’s sls and JP to calm fan reaction. Remember last season and her saying Bonnie has good sls coming up and look at how that turned out lol.

            I like how she was like bring it lol but I think thats what most thought anyways. I read a post where someone mentioned knowing JP she would have Bonnie lose it off screen with Jamie. Lol and cringe.

            • Except for maybe Ian. I really don’t think he bothers to have an opinion on this show anymore after what he went through in season 3. Lol.

              Ew. Unless they’re going to explore the familial relation between Bonnie and Jaime, then I don’t need to see him again. Ever.

              Sent from my iPod

  22. The less scenes where Bonnie is being an annoying beeeyatch about helping them every week, the better. They should have written her off the show in season 2 and put a kabosh on the whole -witchy powers can save us- aspect of the show.

    • See I love that. I love that. People want Bonnie to die, or just do what she’s told with a smile. Neither one seems to be happening. Even when I stop watching this show which will probably be soon, it will give me great joy knowing Bonnie is still on the show and that the fandom hates it. Because I am that petty.

    • The less scenes where Bonnie is being an annoying beeeyatch about helping them every week, the better.

      I could do with fewer scenes of these assholes asking for help after screwing up their lives every week by making the same mistakes all the time.

  23. The episode wasn’t that bad.

    Please keep in mind that I actually hate everything about this show.

    It was a good episode for Elena and Damon, the only characters JP cares about.

    I think Matt’s character got assassinated worst than Jeremy did during the Ghost Arc. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Vicky’s screaming from the other side, I swear.

    I like what I got of Bonnie. Remember my post about how I’m now reading her as having low self-esteem? Yeah. So what I got was good. I just need to know what the HELL HAPPENED TO SHEILA. This is the second time Bonnie’s basically killed Sheila for these people.

    Can I just say that Caroline and Tyler are two characters who are dumb as hell? First of all, Caroline: My God, what are they doing to her character? What are they doing to her?! Her boyfriend’s dead, so she doesn’t know what to do with herself? She’s lost all sense of survival because Tyler’s gone? What the hell? And then she forgets about running away because Tyler’s “back” and that means they can have sex.

    Why did Tyler start getting up when he heard Bonnie was still chanting? That was super stupid. They deserve each other.

    I think Michael did a great job with Klaus. Better than the finale. I actually saw chemistry when Caroline was yelling at him, and he was yelling back.

    I liked the last scene between Klaus and Rebekah. Rebekah was good in some parts and meh in others. But let us describe the many ways she was hurt in this episode. Let us do that. I also got Klaus/Rebekah incest vibes in their last scene.

    Bonnie got choked. Even though she’s supposed to be stronger than ever. Splendid. How is she using black magic? I need that explained. She did a specific spell that used black magic when she desiccated Klaus. And she tweaked the spell and did it on herself. Okay. But what about her crossing to the other side? Why does that qualify? What is she saying that’s different?

    Jeremy! Bless him. He wasn’t willing to do whatever it takes for Elena to stay human. I heard the wobble in his voice when Bonnie wouldn’t wake up. I also loved him asking what the hell the things on Bonnie’s arms are.

    What is Stefan?

    The pastor killing himself was the laziest thing this show has ever done. Ever.

  24. Ok what was that ending? lol
    We finally get a council that have managed to do in one day what the previous council couldnt do in four seasons lol and than they kill them off like that ”Huh” they were pretty fierce but what the heck? urgh.

    This ep belonged to Trevino and Kat.
    He was a really good Klaus, i am hoping that they will give him something more to do but it seems like this triangle will be goiing ahead so boo meaning Tyler will probably disappear soon.
    Have to say side eyeing the reviews erm this is what Bonnie has always been doing practically every single ep, comes in saves the day or tries to help but here comes the witches with their punishment so erm shut up.But Kat killed it her acting was on this ep.

    Jeremy, sexy Jeremy lol, loved him. Yes he wanted to save his sister but not if it was hurting Bonnie. Hopefully they will continue to have scenes. Loved every single moment with them.

    Caroline eh she was alright, did like the C/B/J/K part. Also liked that she punched Klaus he deserved more.

    Rebecca actually loved her 2nd to Bonnie lol. Her snark was on fire, The scene with Damon was good too, also felt bad for her, Klaus is the worst brother.

    The traingle whatever lol

    Nothing to say about Matt/Damon urgh seriously urgh.

    • Have to say side eyeing the reviews erm this is what Bonnie has always been doing practically every single ep, comes in saves the day or tries to help but here comes the witches with their punishment so erm shut up.But Kat killed it her acting was on this ep.

      You mean Carina’s review? http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/10/the-vampire-diaries-premiere-recap-plus-your-burning-season-4-questions-answered-by-julie-plec.html

      She says Kat proved in this episode that she can handle more. Where has she been? Then again, when Kat acted out the scene in 2.18 where Bonnie was skyping with Elena, Carina MacKenzie said Kat was “finally” good because she was acting against Nina. So this isn’t a surprise. She’s new.

      JP says that what happened tonight was a way of alienating Bonnie from her heritage. It’s like, you’ve been alienating her from her heritage since the beginning of season 3. You’ve alienated Bonnie from every side: she has no father, she has no friends, she has no boyfriend, you wrote her to not want to get to know her mother. She.is.alone. So what’s your point? Acting like you did something new. Stop.

      Jeremy, sexy Jeremy lol, loved him. Yes he wanted to save his sister but not if it was hurting Bonnie. Hopefully they will continue to have scenes. Loved every single moment with them.

      I loved it. I loved that at a point he was like, “You’d be compromised? She can be a vampire, then.” Lol.

      • Seriously what is she on? Im not just saying this as a kat fan but Kat has had some pretty strong eps. Urgh but than again its Carina Im sure it must have hurt saying that lol.
        They do need to give her more though, when they give her decent writing she brings it.

        Also Im seeing posts like Bonnie will go dark but how would that be possible? Didnt this ep show that if she uses dark magic they will take her loved ones and torture them. Im not sure they are going there.

        Right is there a reason the writers are forever torturing the girl, I mentioned on FF if they really want her father to come on the show? We all know what is going to happen when he shows up.

        Right he was the only one along with grams that was like ”dont be stupid girl” lol.

        Also why does Elena still have friends all her scenes as always was with the brothers, her scene with Jeremy was blink and you miss, you would think she would want to be with Jeremy but nope.
        Also did she even call to check up on Bonnie, Caroline and Tyler? urgh.

        • Yeah, this episode has pretty much put the kibosh on her going dark, because it means Sheila gets punished.

          Also did she even call to check up on Bonnie, Caroline and Tyler? urgh.

          Nope. And Bonnie did the most for her ass. As usual.

  25. I agree Kat and Michael were amazing.

    Not here for Delena or Stelena the most boring part of the episode.

    Damon is the worst forever and always. Stefan is also the worst, they’re stuff with Matt, it’s not like they killed his sister or anything.

    Matt was acting like the fandom wants Bonnie to behave. Gung ho and ready to sacrifice himself with a smile.

    My Beremy heart is still beating not as strong but it’s still there. I thought he was about to cry when she wouldn’t wake up.

    Shelia I just can’t.

    Jeremy was right. He is some how always the smartest person in the room has anyone else notice this about him? Klaus doesn’t have witches Bonnie or he wouldn’t be begging you. He wasn’t going to kill Tyler because he did need a witch. Points for Jeremy for being okay with Tyler dying anyway he didn’t even flinch.

    • Matt was acting like the fandom wants Bonnie to behave. Gung ho and ready to sacrifice himself with a smile.

      YES! YES!!! Omg, can I please quote you on tumblr? Or should I just say, “Someone said?” But this is so true.

      My Beremy heart is still beating not as strong but it’s still there. I thought he was about to cry when she wouldn’t wake up.

      I’m right there with you. My heart didn’t flutter, but it recognized. It recognized ;(.

      Points for Jeremy for being okay with Tyler dying anyway he didn’t even flinch.

      Lmao! But seriously, where has Bonnie been? Did she not notice that Klaus couldn’t find the coffins she was hiding? It’s because he doesn’t have one witch, let alone ten!

  26. JP says Bonnie is powerless: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Vampire-Diaries-Premiere-1054540.aspx

    I should’ve put in that “I’m ready” post that I’m ready for Julie give interviews where she explains what happened in the episode instead of writing it in the damn episode.

    How powerless is she? Like completely? Because if she’s completely powerless, I don’t trust them to have her be that way for more than 2 episodes. And I’d rather her be that way for more than 2 episodes so that they can get into her mindset.

    The new vampire hunter Connor begins his arc on Thursday. What can you say about him?

    Plec: The first thing our heroes realize when the hunter comes to town is that for a human he’s really freakin’ good at being a hunter.

    I can’t. This is so hilarious. Julie. He’s a hunter. He has to be good. It’s kind of required? Unlike Alaric who wasn’t a hunter.

    Another interview where she explains and teases things: http://tvline.com/2012/10/11/vampire-diaries-season-4-premiere-post-mortem-julie-plec/

    I’m going to need Julie to start watching this show, instead of leaving it up to the editors once it’s done shooting. Damon’s always been devil may care. He’s never cared about his behavior or wanted to change it. Did she miss his monologue in season 2 where he said he couldn’t be what Elena wanted him to be? Or how about his hissy-fit in 3.04 when he said he was a “VAMPIRE,” or how about 3.19 where he said he acts out because he doesn’t want expectations placed on him?

    TVLINE | Does the fact that he came back and tried to save Caroline count for anything?

    JP: That’s the thing with Caroline – as much as she hates him, she also can’t shake him. Hopefully [Elena and Caroline] will realize for each other that in a strange way, it’s incredibly similar to the early Damon/Elena relationship. I’m not saying that it’s going down the same road, by any means. I’m just saying that Caroline, for all her judgement directed at Elena about having any kind of feelings in the past for Damon, may find herself surprised to be struggling with a similar, dangerous attraction to Klaus.

    You guys don’t know how happy I am that Bonnie isn’t a part of this crap. Elena and Caroline can have this. They can bond over this. They can have it.

    And one more!

  27. I’m so happy Jeremy couldn’t see Sheila. Retcon or not, I’m glad it played out that way.

    A retcon that wasn’t so good was Jeremy remembering what Vicky was like when she was transitioning. No.

  28. I like how Elena couldn’t see Bonnie. It’s so symbolic of their relationship.

    As long as Elena knows Bonnie’s doing “whatever she can” to better her lot in life, she’s free to focus on herself, and her emotions, and how sad she is, and how she doesn’t want this, and her disappointment, etc. You know, like a normal person. She’s free to manage her different, important relationships (Salvatores + assuring Jeremy), etc.

    Meanwhile, Bonnie’s concentrating and focusing and working, and trying different spells. And when she finally comes up with something….Elena can’t see her! She can’t see what she’s doing, what she’s done, doesn’t know what Bonnie’s risking, nothing. She doesn’t recognize what she’s doing.

    Bonnie’s like, “It’s okay Elena. We’re going home.”

    But all Elena knows is that she’s feeling better! She’s just like, “I feel better Stefan. I feel good.” And then Sheila stops Bonnie, and Bonnie’s swearing she has to help Elena, but Elena doesn’t register any of that. She’s just like, “I don’t feel good anymore, Stefan.”

    Then Bonnie’s screaming and sending her grandmother to purgatory or whatever and being devastated, and but that doesn’t register on Elena’s radar. She’s just like, “The future is bright. With this ring and you by my side, Stefan, I know everything’s gonna be A-okay, because I’m always okay in the end, relatively speaking.”

    That scene is the Elena/Bonnie relationship in a nutshell. Bonnie’s helping, but she’s pretty much invisible to Elena. And Elena never asks her to do any of this stuff. Her representatives Damon and Stefan (especially Stefan) ask her, or Bonnie herself volunteers, and Elena either verbally or non-verbally cosigns, but she always cosigns (except for that one time when she woke Elijah up). If Bonnie doesn’t know better than to go to the end of the world for Elena each and every time, risking body and family, why would Elena be stupid enough to put a stop to a good thing?

    Elena is sometimes annoyed that everyone wants to save her, that’s it. It’s sometimes an inconvenience, but she’s not gonna do something like kick the Salvatores to the curb for doing anything and everything to ensure her safety (like killing Abby) or sit Bonnie down and teach her how to put herself first. Hell no. That’s her safety on the line.

  29. I kind of wish Jeremy COULD have seen Grams. Then he could have seen what Bonnie was truly sacrificing and the horror of what she was inadvertently doing to her grandmother just to save Elena – and they could have bonded over that. I have to admit– I am still not over Beremy. I know I should be– but I am not.

    These writers are so lazy. Why didn’t he see Grams though? Why can he see some ghosts but not others? He saw Anna and Vicki and Rose and Alaric- but on this day in this hour– this ghost he cannot see? Makes no sense.

    • He saw Anna and Vicki and Rose and Alaric- but on this day in this hour– this ghost he cannot see?

      Lol. I like that Jeremy doesn’t need direct visuals to know what Bonnie’s going through. I mean he saw the veins in her arm and freaked out, then he saw her start to bleed and freaked out some more, then he saw her pass out and take too long to wake up, and he freaked. It doesn’t take him seeing Bonnie in extreme pain for him to worry about her, because unlike most of the others, he gets that she’s human, not a freaking machine. Or “weapon” as Stefan would call her.

      I have to admit– I am still not over Beremy. I know I should be– but I am not.

      Hey now, if Jeremy stays on the path he was in this episode wrt Bonnie, and they hashed it out over his mess with the ghost, we could go somewhere with it in season 17.

  30. I loved this episode. I can only think of a few problems with it.

    1) Elena randomly breaks out of the jail after becoming a vampire…? The original vamp and the 200 year old one couldn’t.
    2) Jeremy can’t see the ghost?
    3) Um… Bonnie you didn’t ‘cross over to the other side’ you freaking astroprojected to where Elena was in prison. Were you gunna pull her through a wall?!
    4) Elena randomly gets a spirit ring on the roof?

    • 1) Elena breaking out was ridiculous. How did she even know Damon was outside? Why did it take Stefan so long to get out of the barn?

      2) Jeremy’s power is bullcrap anyways. It was only useful for the retcon and then they had to figure out what to do with it. It should’ve faded away in 3.07.

      3) She did cross to the other side because Sheila said the witches could “keep you here.” I doubt they were gonna keep her through a barn. What doesn’t make sense, is why the heck we didn’t see Elena’s spirit. Does that mean she has no soul? I mean, what is it?

  31. Anyways, here’s hoping for Hayley/Rebekah lesbian love! Damon/Stefan are devoted to Elena, the human is too boring and she tried to kill him, so she needs a new love interest.

    • the human is too boring and she tried to kill him, so she needs a new love interest.

      I don’t know. Attempted murder seems to be an important step on the love interest checklist of the show. I wouldn’t count Matt out yet. And there’s nothing to suggest Hayley will be interesting. She could be a Rose (most likely for Tyler though) or a Meredith.

  32. Something that occurred to me during the podcast, but that I thought I’d bring up here is that the set up of this episode for the spell, for the kidnappings, etc. Was all wrong.

    Cause Elena should have been with Bonnie while the spell was taking place. It just makes practical sense. Where was Elena meant to go if she followed Bonnie? Where did the Elena, who was only interacting with Stefan while Bonnie was telling her to follow her, think she was going? Why, in fact, did she even feel better?
    Now if Elena was going to not be present while Bonnie was performing the spell (which doesn’t even make sense…the lack of actual contact that occurs in this spell doesn’t make sense…in fact the lack of communication during the spell to dessicate Klaus doesn’t make sense. I may be remembering incorrectly, but there’s a level of timing that the spell requires that we weren’t privy to. As an audience we were able to see it happening, but the set-up was tossed aside for the surprise of Klaus getting dessicated instead of Alaric) then when Bonnie crossed over we should have seen her end up somewhere else. The bridge perhaps? Her house? The graveyard? An actual separate plain of existance, so we would at least get some sense of otherness? Who knows? They could have tried harder.

    If the writers had thought about it they would have been switching the scene between Elena’s “soul” interacting with Bonnie and Elena’s body/anchor/or what have you interacting with Stefan. So that when Sheila showed up to put an end to things Bonnie would have or could have been pulled to Elena being in that barn with Stefan talking about how she felt better, but then didn’t anymore. Or anything showing a level of actual consideration of the components of the spell. Was Bonnie supposed to return Elena to Elena using the Elena we’d seen struggling with transition throughout the entire episode? That doesn’t make sense. It’s why they should not have brought souls into the equation. But if they were going to it was as easy as explaining that Bonnie needed to get to Elena’s soul before she either 1) died or 2) drank human blood. Which is, admittedly, what they did, but they also threw in a shortened time limit by having Elena be in and out of it for hours.

    Would they have let her sleep through making the choice? Cause she really could have. I don’t know. Why did Bonnie only get started on the spell by the time we saw her? We could have easily observed her in medias res with the spell and shown the effect it was having on her body and then had a proper excuse for Elena to have been in and out all day. Otherwise Elena sleeping large chunks of her day away doesn’t make sense when compared to any other vampire we’ve seen transition and that includes Katherine, who knew what she was doing. And Caroline, who very clearly acted on the instinct to survive. I haven’t watched Blood Brothers in a long time, but did Stefan or Damon have any of the sensory overload issues that we saw with Vicki and Elena? I guess they were in the woods. I know Elena’s transition has to be different, but I feel like there should have been line on consistency that is disrupted by 1) Bonnie attempting to bring her back and/or 2) her being a doppelganger who didn’t continue the line of doppelgangers. And maybe they’re going with the second option, but they could have spent more of the premiere dealing with the first.

    That said this episode wasn’t bad.

    • Where did the Elena, who was only interacting with Stefan while Bonnie was telling her to follow her, think she was going? Why, in fact, did she even feel better?

      All of these questions. Why did she start feeling better? Is Bonnie’s magical negro-ness now so advanced that just touching her will make the White person feel better? And Elena should’ve been with her. She spent part of the day at her house doing nothing, just waiting for Bonnie to come by with the cure. She could’ve and should’ve braved the sun and met Bonnie at the witch house.

      then when Bonnie crossed over we should have seen her end up somewhere else. The bridge perhaps? Her house? The graveyard? An actual separate plain of existance, so we would at least get some sense of otherness?

      I imagined this white place or a foggy place. But TVD is more creative than me, so she ended up in the prison cell *________*.

      So that when Sheila showed up to put an end to things

      How did Sheila even put an end to things? She didn’t utter a word that sounded like a spell, and she didn’t use telekinesis to pull Elena from Bonnie. She said no, and Elena stumbled back.

      It was urgent for Bonnie to do the spell (Stefan must’ve woken her up first thing in the morning), yet she was off in the cellar looking at Klaus’ charred body.

      I haven’t watched Blood Brothers in a long time, but did Stefan or Damon have any of the sensory overload issues that we saw with Vicki and Elena?

      No. They were just sitting in the sun, having a conversation. It didn’t even hurt their eyes to be out in the sun.

      The fact doesn’t Elena was a doppelganger is not coming up so far. I can’t even say for sure that it will.

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