Teen Wolf S02E10: Fury Podcast

2.10 Fury

Guest: Susan

As the Killer of Beacon Hills story wraps up, Susan and I still have questions about the connection between the Kanima and Matt. Susan isn’t impressed by Matt’s motivation, Gerard blabs about the leadership falling to Allison now, but that doesn’t matter if he’s actually manipulating her (who believes Victoria actually wrote that letter?), in Susan’s favorite part of the episode, it’s revealed that Scott is feeding Gerard information about Derek’s pack, and we talk about Jeff Davis’ Tumblr post and the growing problem with Dr. Deaton.

Quotes From the Podcast: “They introduce this [Matt’s tragic past] after he killed all those police officers, so I was like I don’t give a fuck about Matt and what he’s going through. Maybe if they had shown him as a child [….] I needed to see how child Matt reacted to that stuff, so I could have an emotional connection to that.”-Susan

“When people talk about utopia, when White people talk about utopia (and I guess some people of color too), it’s like why do you always want utopia to be the place where issues do not exist? Where there’s no racism, no sexism, no misogyny, and no homophobia. And no ableism. Why can’t utopia be the place where these things do exist, and when a member of the minority or oppressed group says: hey you’re oppressing me, the majority listen. Why can’t that be utopia?”-Me

“Dr. Deaton was in this episode. How did he even find Derek? Did his Help A White Person senses start tingling?”-Me

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33 thoughts on “Teen Wolf S02E10: Fury Podcast

      • Idk what the point was. It feels things were way too rushed for a character who is supposed to make a big impact like this. For a long while, he was just a guy who took pictures and was into Allison. Then they took him up about 10 notches in the previous ep. Then came all the exposition in this ep with a back story that was so lame. Was I supposed to feel something when Gerard was drowning him? There was emotional music and flashbacks of his childhood incident. I barely had time to absorb that nonsensical story.

        • I felt for him, but the story was rushed (I think it was well told for how rushed it was), but I expected him to last longer? They revealed that it was him and then killed him in the next episode. The thing is that his story really is all wrapped up. He wanted revenge and he got it. No one stopped him in time. So where would he go next? There’s just the pesky detail of how the hell did Jackson know to kill Mr. Lahey for him? Makes no sense.

          And Derek said the Kanima was going against its nature or something? Does anyone remember what the Kanima’s nature is?

          • The Kanima didn’t go against his nature. Matt broke the rules of a Master/Kanima relationship. Only the Kanima is supposed to do the killing. He was turning into a Kanima because he killed the woman in the hospital himself.

            • Ah, got it. Why the heck does it work like that though? And we still don’t know why Jackson turned into a Kanima as opposed to something else. Derek kept saying he was a snake, but is that really the explanation?

  1. I hope we won’t have another dude coming back from that dead. Matt should stay dead. He is such a pointless and underwritten character.

    Damn, Scott really went along with Gerard? Gerard is playing everyone

    Poor Allison tries so hard

    Lydia and Boyd weren’t in this ep. Booo!

    Isaac wasn’t in an ep that dealt with his childhood and his father. Ok, then

    I am getting annoyed with Dr. Deaton only showing up to give advice and help.

    As far as Teen Wolf eps go, this was not good.

    • Lol for Jackson being in that episode but having no line.

      Gerard is playing everyone

      True. And what´s up with those pills Saul Tigh is always taking? The show can´t be more obvious that there is something up with them.

      Lydia and Boyd weren’t in this ep. Booo!

      This. Where was Lydia when Derek woke up or Dr. Deaton came into the house? Did she go with Peter or run away?

      And while talking about Peter. I know there is probably some masterplan behind him showing up in the end and watching Saul Tigh and the Kanima but it was pretty random and I was irritated whenever they showed his face.

      Isaac wasn’t in an ep that dealt with his childhood and his father. Ok, then

      Yep. And did Isaac even mention that Matt and him were friends? Did Isaac even know that there was a connection between the swim team/his father and the murders?

      • True. And what´s up with those pills Saul Tigh is always taking? The show can´t be more obvious that there is something up with them.

        I wouldn’t mind it if the reason behind those pills turned out to be ordinary. Like, if he is taking it for a health condition and that he is working on a plan to live longer or be healthy longer or wtvr. I mean, it is very important for the Argents to not be weak. This kind of ordinary story would require less explanation than Matt’s drowning story because most of us know a senior citizen. How many of us know/understand someone who holds a grudge for *years* because of only *one* incident? It is not like he was bullied regularly. It would have been funnier if he just killed people randomly for annoying him. That guy who cut him off in traffic – dead. That cashier who accidentally overcharged him, that teacher who gave him a low grade, that McDonald’s manager who refused to serve him from the breakfast menu in the afternoon – dead, dead, dead. I suppose his obsession with Allison was supposed to explain his personality a little but I didn’t see how it started or how it progressed. Besides, by the time he showed up and got obsessed with her, I was wondering why everyone is so drawn to Allison and was distracted by that. Scott was drawn to her before he could even see her. Lydia decided that Allison would be her bff the min she saw Allison. Now this random guy kept taking pics of Allison.

        The Scott/Gerard scene was the best thing about the ep. It would be nice if it turns out that Scott is double crossing Gerard.

        Scott was awesome as always. The scenes with his mom got me right in the feels.. Oh Melissa. Stiles was awesome too. I loved it when he said bitch as he was falling on Derek. All his moments with his dad were great too. I would care more about Allison’s story if her strained relationship with her mother was shown more.

        This. Where was Lydia when Derek woke up or Dr. Deaton came into the house? Did she go with Peter or run away?

        Probably went with Peter. Did Lydia miss any eps last season?

        Yep. And did Isaac even mention that Matt and him were friends? Did Isaac even know that there was a connection between the swim team/his father and the murders?

        It would make sense for Isaac to not remember the one swim team that came to his house once when he was ten. Plus, it looks like Isaac wasn’t home then. But that is no reason for never mentioning that Isaac used to know Matt. It would have made the story flow better if Isaac was involved. He is a more well established and relatable character. Not having him present when the reason behind his father’s murder was revealed, took away from the emotional weight of the scene, especially since Isaac stated that there was time when his relationship with his father was good.

        And while talking about Peter. I know there is probably some masterplan behind him showing up in the end and watching Saul Tigh and the Kanima but it was pretty random and I was irritated whenever they showed his face.

        I don’t get the fascination with Peter. I only cared when it was Lydia’s story too. No fucks given about this dude.

        • Probably went with Peter. Did Lydia miss any eps last season?

          Probably, since most of her scenes consisted of trying to work things out with Jackson and eyeing Scott as a possible replacement. That doesn’t require her to be in every episode.

          especially since Isaac stated that there was time when his relationship with his father was good.

          Speaking of that, when exactly was the relationship good? Mr. Lahey showed the same personality trait that got Isaac locked in the freezer when he was yelling at the 10-year-old who, shock! couldn’t swim. So when exactly was he the mellow dad of whom Isaac has fond memories?

          • Yeah, but he still saved Matt and being a jerk does not equal being extremely abusive. Isn’t Isaac’s brother dead? I wonder if his dad changed for the worse after that.

            The first person Matt killed was the person who literally saved his life.

            • To a 10-year-old? Matt listened to him and never told anyone and went on to have nightmares about it soon after. I think Mr. Lahey’s case is different because we know that him being a jerk does equal him being extremely abusive, or at least it eventually did.

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          • Isaac’s dad was probably panicked because if anyone had found out about what happened, he would have lost his job.

            Now I am thinking about Isaac’s family.

            Isaac’s dad used to coach the swim team and his oldest son (fave son?) was a member. Then he became a grave digger after his son died? Spending his days and nights among the dead. He would literally lock his living son in a coffin like space. Right before Isaac was turned, he fell into a grave. Isaac’s dad was killed as he was chasing another son he had lost (although he didn’t know it yet at the time).

            Idk where I am going with this. It is kind of like where Derek lives now – an old abandoned train station?? I guess his journey is stalled – he is stuck??

            Water is important in this show. A lot of the time when something changes for a character, it is raining or someone falls in a pool or a lake etc. I wish I could understand this Matt storyline.

            • Maybe. I’m not too concerned with thinking about it because he was doing the most with that threat, including making fun of Matt for not being able to swim. Isaac was the same age as this kid he was berating for something his thoughtless high schoolers did, so that’s why I question when the good times were between Isaac/Mr. Lahey. Current!Matt was shocked at how everyone could leave him in the pool, but he didn’t express shock at Mr. Lahey’s attitude (the show was probably unconcerned with a detail like that).

              I do like your meta about the Lahey family though.

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              • I think I am focusing too much on the wrong things. On the surface, what Matt did seems to be a disproportionate response to one bad thing that happened to him once. But given the importance of water on the show, I think that, to him, it felt like a lose of innocence that was forced on him too soon. He came face to face with his mortality too soon. Kids that age think that they will live forever. He not only discovered that he can and will die but that there is only darkness when he does. There was also the sexual activity that he was forced to witness as he was drowning. Idk, there is seems to be some subtext there. Being sexually violated and being blamed for said violation, at a young age, might explain some of this behavior with Allison (like his lack of boundaries – spying on Jackson as well) though not all.

                • Yeah, it’s definitely an extreme reaction, but I buy it the way they told it, especially since he was so young + these people didn’t then disappear from his life. He kept seeing them. I wonder if his friendship with Isaac ended after that or if he still came over.

                  • I doubt it. He died there

                    I guess the question is, if you could kill someone simply by thinking it, would you? It is awfully tempting. I did like the progression of it. First, he was only going to kill his “murderers”. It was justice! Then it escalated to anyone who could reveal his secret – Danny. Then he just started killing EVERYONE in his way. It is interesting that he started out thinking that he was all about justice or retribution and ended up killing the people whose function in the community is to help with the administration of justice. Power corrupts and absolute powers corrupts absolutely and all that jazz.

                    • That’s true, re: the question of if you could kill someone simply by thinking it, would you? Because that’s exactly what Matt was doing. All he had to do was think it.

                      I have to say that he came apart pretty quickly. Destroying those files did not require all of that bloodshed. It’s like he was quickly losing control over the situation, starting with the fact that he was turning into a Kanima himself.

      • I think there’s something behind the pills. I’m not kidding when I say I think they hold the key to his destruction. Lol.

        He looked surprised by Gerard and the Kanima, so I think he was waiting for the Kanima to kill Gerard.

        And did Isaac even mention that Matt and him were friends? Did Isaac even know that there was a connection between the swim team/his father and the murders?

        Has Isaac been written to care about the fact that his abusive dad of whom he still holds fond memories is dead? Like with those other questions, the answer is no. Smh.

        • I think there’s something behind the pills. I’m not kidding when I say I think they hold the key to his destruction.

          Yeah, the show made a huge deal of Scott picking them up.

    • I think he’ll stay dead. He’s not the type to have an masterplan. Look at how he killed every cop in that building.

      I thought there would be more with Allison, but what they gave her was good.

      That’s true about Isaac.

      I said something similar on tumblr. It’s great that Dr. Deaton knows a lot, but I’m ready for him to start commenting on his own life as opposed to the lives of the other protagonists (most of whom have less melanin).

      • I think he’ll stay dead. He’s not the type to have an masterplan. Look at how he killed every cop in that building.

        The reason I think he might come back is that he was turning into a Kanima when Gerard killed him. Apparently, nothing can kill a Kanima. How freaky was it when Allison kept stabbing it in the head and neck without any effect?

        • He didn’t seemed to have changed yet ala Jackson and the video tape. 

          It’s weird because the kids thought killin the Kanima’s master  would free Jackson, but really it just gave him a new master. The problem is, I’m not sure how any of this works.

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  2. Woah, I missed some major Teen Wolf drama on tumblr. Apparently, Jeff Davis had an account there and all the criticism he received from that dumbass comment about his show not being ~issues~ driven “scared” him away. lol. I can’t with these white people in positions of power. Yes, I know TW is a small show but he still has the power to reach and influence millions of people. It is like they refuse to acknowledge the concept of responsibility. He is acting like people are asking him to write an after school special. Who asked you to make an ~issues~ show, Jeff Davis? I don’t even know what an issues show is. Why don’t you just write the characters you have like *people*? You have black people and Latino people and gay people and lady people. Don’t pretend like they are all white dudes. You don’t get to erase people like that. If you can’t write people, you shouldn’t be writing period. And fyi, your show does not exist in an idealized world. If it did, for one thing, Melissa would be the Sheriff and Mr. Stilinsky (what is his first name?) would be a nurse.

    Btw, he did give solid reasons for why Boyd didn’t get development. But what about the other two black characters and your one gay character, Jeff Davis? Take several seats. Goddamn.

    • One more thing, he is the only one using the term “issues show” from I have seen. Talk about a straw man argument.

  3. Can we discuss for a sec how much attention creepy camera guy got in this ep compared to Deaton, Ms. Morell(sp?), Boyd and even Erica ? To me, it seems like Matt and Isaac are the secondary characters who got the most attention. And I still think there is a chance that Matt will come back. The pull of the ~magical white dick is strong.

    • Ugh yes. Does Dr. Deaton need to be the designated villain to get some attention? Come on now. We now know more about Matt than we know about him. It can only be so long before the mysterious character of color becomes the character that you’re just not interested in delving into.

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