TVD Season 4 Spoilers and Speculation: The trainwreck continues. PODCAST COMING SOON!

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Post any and every spoiler until we get to ComicCon. ComicCon and the spoilers that come out of it will get a podcast, just like the previous two seasons, so I’ll be looking out for those. When it comes to ComicCon, e-mail me whatever spoiler you find like usual, and I’ll of course credit you.

Once this post gets too crowded with links, I’ll create another one.

So to start:

Now the triangle REALLY begins. For real for real.

JP teases what’s next for the characters Take it with a vat of salt.

Spoilers from TVGuide Thanks, Emily!

JP’s zap2it Interview Thanks, Nikki!

JP’s TVLine Interview Thanks, Kathrin!

Season 4 Press Release Thanks, Emily!

Matt and Jeremy spoiler

Season 3 Review Thank you, Emily!

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196 thoughts on “TVD Season 4 Spoilers and Speculation: The trainwreck continues. PODCAST COMING SOON!

  1. Lol who actually thought that the triangle was finally going to end? lol this triangle will be going on until the end of the show.

    Also whatever about Bonnie, how many interviews, tweets and articles were there about Bonnie’s role this season, there was quite a lot and practically all of them didnt happen except maybe the mother sl but looked how that turned out.

    So Bonnie was working with Klaus wow and gross, she will at least tell Caroline about Tyler/Klaus right? Because I do not want to see Klaus with Caroline while running around being Tyler that is so gross and lame.

    They clearly do not have a direction yet you can so tell, they do not know who will be the big bad it is like a quick guess about what may happen. Im sure by the time we start getting more spoilers about next season most of what was said will be forgotten and they will go another direction.

    • I will be ranting about Bonnie’s possible future storyline in the finale podcast tonight. I can’t put it into words anymore.

      Two love interests for the price of one. Literally. So lame.

      Im sure by the time we start getting more spoilers about next season most of what was said will be forgotten and they will go another direction.

      Of course. I also think it’s a bad idea to introduce the Big Bad in the first episode. The first 5 episodes even. They should let the characters adjust to Elena being a vamp and what that means to them, as annoying as that will probably be. They should let Bonnie expand on her newfound freedom. She needs to talk to someone, so we can hear it.

  2. 3 things from the JP interview that made me go D-:

    You know, I myself did not see his entire body burned to bits. So I can’t say 100 percent that we’ve seen the last of him.

    Well, I guess, kudos to her for not even trying to pretend that we won’t see Jomo!Klaus again?

    Rebekah is going to be persona non grata amongst the heroes of the show, if not everyone, for what was a very, very, very aggressive and [Laughs] murderous move. So even Matt, her sweet little football captain, is gonna probably have a hard time getting past that. He’s not necessarily gonna be talking to her anytime soon. So we’ll get to see how she responds to being ostracized even more so than she’s already been.

    Lol. I can’t. And she does make it sound as if Rebekah will be sticking around. I guess there’s still the possibility that she might become a series regular?

    Did Elijah sanction Rebekah trying to kill Elena, or did she go rogue?
    You know, actually, I don’t have the answer for that yet. I’d like to think Rebekah made a really bold and brash choice there and will pay some pretty tough consequences both from her brothers and for herself socially.

    Smh at her not knowing. And what would these “pretty tough consequences” be from her brothers? She did act in their best interest after all. Well, I guess Elijah is going to be upset with her because of his Elejah feelings. Yay?

    And when it comes to what she said about Bonnie. Like you said, vat of salt. I don’t believe anything.

    Oh and w/r/t to that tweet. Stefan represents stability. Really. I know that this is what the writers are going for but lol. Given how the writers wanted to end this season, Stefan’s ripper “SL” was totally misplaced.

    • Of course we will see Joseph next year again … the coffin was closed so nobody could see if the body burned. The fire went out lol.

      I guess there’s still the possibility that she might become a series regular?

      I think this part of the interview sealed it for me … she is going to become a reg.
      I still have hopes … but they are always crashed, soo.

      I’d like to think Rebekah made a really bold and brash choice there and will pay some pretty tough consequences both from her brothers and for herself socially.

      It´s so awful … they really want us to think that Rebekah could have been a part of the group or even was already and was bff with Elena and Caroline because they implied it with the “socially” … probably nobody will talk to her now that she killed Elena. How long will this be? Of course they will be back to speak with her, I will give that 2 episodes if even. I´m not interested in those consequences.
      Does this mean we will see more of Elijah/Kol/Klaus with Rebekah next season? Klaus will probably mad because she killed his source for making more hybrids … or so I assume. Don´t think Kol would care and yep Elijah will be furious because of his Elena feelings. But now he can live with her foreva … and compete with the brothers for her love the next 1000 years.

      Oh and w/r/t to that tweet.

      Who even is the person that tweeted this? Has she any connections to JP or why does she know what Stefan and Damon represent for her?

      • We never saw anyone talking to her anyways. And when they say everyone, I’m positive they’re excluding Bonnie.

        But now he can live with her foreva … and compete with the brothers for her love the next 1000 years.

        Smh.

        He runs vampire-diaries.net, and the TVD crew are very aware of the site. They’ve given interviews on it.

      • The fire went out lol.

        This is so bad.

        Klaus will probably mad because she killed his source for making more hybrids … or so I assume.

        Yeah, but he tried to kill Elena himself on the same day. And for the same reason. So I don’t get it.

    • Is she ever 100% percent sure about anything to do with this show? Is she ever dedicated and committed to any decision that her team takes? That’s why this show now has so many retcons.

      If Rebekah’s staying, then Meredith needs to go. If Rebekah’s not staying, then Meredith needs to go.

      Smh at her not knowing.

      Why would she not know this? It’s part of Rebekah’s motivation, and she doesn’t know?

      Given how the writers wanted to end this season, Stefan’s ripper “SL” was totally misplaced.

      Yup.

    • “and will pay some pretty tough consequences both from her brothers and for herself socially.”

      Like, omigod! Rebekah’s social life will be ruined! Matt might even make her wait a bit before inviting her to a dance! 😮 Moral of the story: If you try to kill someone…they *might* want to avoid you and make you feel ostracized for it. Shocking Revelation!! TVD is so good at those. 😉

      I can’t believe I’m still incredulous at how flippant Plec is. Thus TVD’s angsty, yet inconsequential.

      “Stefan represents stability. Really. I know that this is what the writers are going for but lol. Given how the writers wanted to end this season, Stefan’s ripper “SL” was totally misplaced.”

      Haha! Excellent point, Emily. But who remembers that whole Ripper thing. That was forever ago. Only the good times remain. Like the tender glance Stelena shared at his Secret Wall of Victims… or that romantic drive to the Gilbert Family Death Bridge. These are the moments Elena fondly recalls, as she muses over how safe Stefan makes her feel. 😛

      If Elena wanted safe & stable, why didn’t she just stay with Matt hmmmmmmm?

      • I don’t understand why everyone will be mad at Rebekah. Wasn’t there a reason they wanted to kill her? Because she doesn’t do the nicest things? Rebekah terrorized Elena in the cave. Are these people dumb? I’m sure I’ll cringe at Matt being mad at Rebekah. What was he expecting?

        or that romantic drive to the Gilbert Family Death Bridge.

        Lmao.

        Well that’s what the flashback taught us. Elena wants adventure and a little danger.

        • Aw shucks, Olu. 🙂 It *is* very sad, isn’t it? Watch out for that bridge, Jeremy!

          Hey, I’m sure Julie Plec would be glad to know her GENIUS epic/sad writing moved you to tears as much as she moves herself to tears. 😉 (I’m not making fun of you, Olu, just to be clear…I’m mocking Julie Plec, although it’s hardly sporting anymore is it? She makes it too easy.)

          • although it’s hardly sporting anymore is it? She makes it too easy

            It’s almost as if she knows where we get our entertainment and must kill out enjoyment in all the ways. I’m betting she mentions her tears over every other episode next season. Maybe there will be a comedy episode and she will mention how much it made her laugh. She will laugh so hard she almost didn’t finish the script. Because then she started to cry.

  3. This part of the interview confuses me:

    The first thing she’ll be is fairly shocked, and stunned, and probably borderline ecstatic, but also very confused when she realizes that presumably Tyler will live to see the other end of the story. And then she’s going to be, excuse my language, f—ing pissed at Klaus, who is doing some and will continue to do some subterfuge as far as who he’s pretending to be inside of Tyler’s body. [Laughs] We’ll see how much play he gets out of that.

    So will Caroline now from the start that Klaus is in Tyler´s body … because JP is laughing about that and she can´t laugh about something problematic like this, She just can´t.

    And of course we are going to see more of Klaus/Caroline nonsense … the ToD 2.0 goes on and on.

    Will we even see more scenes between MT and KG? I have waited for three seasons to get finally a scene between Tyler/Bonnie … and now this.

    • Lmao. It sounds like Caroline will know. JP needs to be more eloquent, but she’s saying that Caroline will be happy to learn Tyler survived, but she’ll be pissed that she’s basically stuck with Klaus.

      Do you think they’ll retcon how possession works and have Tyler sometimes taking over his own body?

      If Rebekah becomes a regular, that’s two people Klaus has as confidents. So I’ll be surprised if MT and KG share scenes.

      • What? Don’t you love it when men take advantage of women? 😉 Deep down, you know Caroline wants Klaus so it’s okay. This is just Julie Plec’s brilliant way of easing her (and us) into the inevitable Klaroline relationship. Are Tyler fans going insane right now, I wonder…

        I want to see Michael Trevino attempt a Steve-Martin-in-“All Of Me” performance. Y’know, with two souls warring for dominance over his body, and all the wacky comedy that entails. 😉 Show’s taking it lightly anyway, so let’s play it for laughs.

        • Yeah it’s like the s-e-d triangle, elena was so scared of damon and he was this lost cause that everyone hated but then she saw his soft side and blah blah blah blah blah…next season everyone will even forget that klaus was an evil maniac i guarantee it .

        • Does Tyler have fans?

          I do wonder if JP will retcon how possession works on this show and have Tyler and Klaus’ souls fighting over the body. You know, for “drama.”

          • Yeah true, but they will make klaus win because i think he has more fans than tyler plus the show got more views since he joined the cast so i think they will be reluctant to get rid of joseph especially because of the klaroline demand, it just won’t be the same without his face.

                • I wonder if the D-E-S triangle has an end. I wouldn’t mind if it didn’t, tbh. They’re both so horrible and they’ve yet to come up with a reason for why Elena tolerates they’re horrendous doings, and as a matter of fact they’ve stated quite the opposite, that she wants them to be good and functioning. But they can’t. So I think it’d be better if, instead of choosing one, they just spiral on forever and ever. Or she chooses herself, but I’m sure that’s very low on the list of options.

                  • one of them ends up with katherine, it think, there has to be a reason she is still alive and the other stays with elena but i don’t know how they are going to make it work out but it has to end somewhere next season.

            • i think he has more fans than tyler

              That´s true … I don´t think Tyler was never one of the fan favourites.

              plus the show got more views since he joined the cast so i think they will be reluctant to get rid of joseph especially because of the klaroline demand

              That´s not true … because the ratings are getting worse since Klaus came first in.
              But some of the Original focused episodes like “Ordinary People” and “Dangerous Liaisons” got the best ratings this year, so I don´t know if the writers take this as a sign to continue the Originals story.

              But they also have to think about Caroline in this. What would she gain from a rl with Klaus? This whole “I will show the whole world” aspect of the rl is nonsense because the writers are so focused on MF they won´t go anywhere with them. It is only drama for Forwood does nothing for the characters development and only will give them (especially Caroline and Klaus) more screentime.

          • Does Tyler have fans?

            I know some and I feel so sorry for them.

            I do wonder if JP will retcon how possession works on this show and have Tyler and Klaus’ souls fighting over the body. You know, for “drama.”

            That´s possible but I think this possession could be over very soon, until now I only saw people commenting how they don´t like MT portrayal of Klaus. And I understand it … I think MT is doing his best but first of all with all the Forwood nonsense his acting skills seem to be more than rusty and then he also has the disadvantage that we saw Joseph for a whole season as Klaus. Matt was lucky because when he played Klaus!Alaric nobody knew how Joseph would play him and so he couldn´t go wrong with his own interpretation.

            • Yep, and actually JoMo suffered the same fate. Even though Matt Davis only played Klaus for one ep, people were at first disappointed with Joseph’s portrayal.

              • This show is so unpredictable in a bad way, they just drift of topic in such an annoying way. At first it was all about killing klaus and then alaric, they finally decided that they hated klaus more and temporarily got rid of him but then they decide that ow wait that was such a waste of magic, why didn’t we just put klaus’s soul in someone else in the first place ‘oh yeah duhh’, now to come back to alaric after all the unnecessary drama we should now just let elena turn because we really cannot think of any last minute solultions.

            • That’s true, but in 22 episodes the writers didn’t bother to make the Hybrids special outside of being named Hybrids. They weren’t even hard to kill.

  4. Alta, another interview with JP.
    http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/05/the-vampire-diaries-season-4-elenas-vampire-side-may-see-damon-in-a-new-light-as-the-love-triangle-d.html

    Erm Bonnie’s sl
    ”It’ll be a question of how far Bonnie is willing to go to help her friend, and what are the repercussions and consequences attached to that.”
    Lol isnt this what she has been doing for erm the past three seasons? so basically Bonnie will once again try to help Elena the only difference she will use dark magic.

    Gross and ”fun” is she serious? I just hope they dont go Klaus trying to get some route
    ”Before we see him return to that body, is he going to have a little fun being Tyler?”

    ”Yep. He’s definitely going to prolong his stay, at least in the first episode, due to circumstance. Whatever goes down between Caroline and “Tyler” in the first episode will actually be happening between Caroline and Klaus, so we’ll have some fun there.”

    So creepy and really gross, hopefully it will just stay the one ep and will not be dragged out urgh.

    Also isnt this a confirmation that JM wil be back, to do what? I guess chase Caroline.

    The final question/answer lol to everyone that thought the triangle would end JP just confrmed the triangle will be ongoing until the very end lol.

    • Julie Plec is gross. And super-fun! I’d totally want to hang out with her and dish about dreamy (abusive) guys! Then I’d drive her to a mental health clinic, for her own good. Or maybe I’d get MattActor to do it. She’d let him abduct her, for sure.

      Didn’t Jeremy and Tyler bond over both being comic-book artists way back when, or am I remembering wrong? How ’bout Caroline flips through Tyler’s sketchbook one day and starts noticing a suspicious number of drawings of, you guessed it, ponys. Yeah! That’s how she clues in that something’s not quite right about Klyler (Tylaus?) …Much *cuter* than Caro simply being smart enough to realize that “Tyler” has a brand new personality and doesn’t remember anything they talked about in the past or whatever. 😛 Seriously, how long can Klaus fool her? It shouldn’t be for more than minute… not long enough to get her into bed. Bonnie should tell Caroline right away too, as many of you have pointed out.

      But Julie Plec is determined to contrive her Klaus & Caroline roleplay fantasy. Because it’s “Tyler”, Caroline consents! But it’s really non-consensual! But then she’ll fall for Klaus for real when she finds out who she is (’cause she has no self-respect or plausible reactions of anger at being deceived and used. Sigh.) This whole thing is basically a way to make Caroline cheat on Tyler with Klaus without being making her look bad, isn’t it?

      • How ’bout Caroline flips through Tyler’s sketchbook one day and starts noticing a suspicious number of drawings of, you guessed it, ponys. Yeah! That’s how she clues in that something’s not quite right about Klyler (Tylaus?)

        Lol! That would be awesome!

    • Every time they ask her how Elena The Vampire is going to be, she starts talking about the brothers.

      Lol isnt this what she has been doing for erm the past three seasons? so basically Bonnie will once again try to help Elena the only difference she will use dark magic.

      I know right? It’ll be a question of how far she’s willing to go? You mean dying wasn’t far enough? Who watching this show doesn’t know how far Bonnie’s willing to go to help her friend? The only thing I can hope for is that they show this from Bonnie’s pov as opposed to the simple “Bonnie loves Elena a lot and would do anything for her.” Reading this upsets me because JP was just complaining about the witches being able to solve everything. Now obviously Bonnie will fail, but I’m pressed that she of course writes Bonnie coming in with a potential magic fix. Now let’s see if she’ll actually give Bonnie a part in this or if she’ll just be using her powers.

      That part has me a little worried. Hopefully Caroline finds out in the middle of the episode. I’m sure there’ll be the reunion where she thinks it’s Tyler, but maybe she’ll start to suspect that something is wrong?

      There are people who thought the triangle was over?

      I don’t think JM will be back, but she’s obviously keeping the door open. The door’s always open…..for certain people *_____*.

      Her answer about Klaus owing Bonnie sounds like…..she didn’t automatically think to go there. ‘Cause that’s how much she’s inspired by the Bonnie character.

  5. Have you guys read what Kat Graham wrote on her tumblr account? I found it through another blog I follow. If so, what do you guys think? She used the old “Bonnie is a supporting character – not a lead” line and the “if you are a true fan…” line. That is kinda funny now that Klaus and his siblings were given so much time on the show. Klaus was technically supporting and his siblings were guest stars but ok. I guess, I am not a “true fan” of anyone or anything because I won’t follow anyone or anything blindly. I kinda have to like the product. Anyway, I guess my real question is why do people care what the actors/actresses think? Her interests and our interests don’t match. The first thing she mentioned in that post was that the show allowed her to build wells in Africa. I am not watching the show for charity. I do charity for charity. I didn’t even know she did that. My family help build schools in Africa. Throw some money our way, KG. I mean, the show brought her up from *nothing* and is giving her opportunities. It did nothing like that for me. I want good writing, acting, directing from a show. But, more importantly, I want to be able to enjoy it. As for the “black actress” bit…LOLOLOLOL forever and ever. Seriously? I am legit disappointed in KG and actually a bit embarrassed for her. As if there wasn’t a huge advertising campaign recently for a show on another network highlighting the fact that there hasn’t been a black female lead on TV for *decades*.

    • Those two things she said is why I didn’t reblog the post. It reminded me a bit of JP’s defensiveness. I do know the fan got kind of personal, but nowhere in the post did the person say she wants Bonnie to be the lead. She just wanted her to get her due, which is possible for a secondary character. Caroline’s a secondary character and she gets more….we’ll say attention….than Bonnie. Her response struck me because I remember when she told us to keep being loud because they hear. Loud ain’t always pretty.

      I want good writing, acting, directing from a show. But, more importantly, I want to be able to enjoy it.

      Yep. It’s awesome that the show gave her so many opportunities. I know this and I’m very proud of her and happy for her. But what she’s able to do and build because of the show isn’t what I’m obsessed with. I’m obsessed with the character she plays.

      I don’t know why she put the comment about Black actresses. Especially when she’s spoken about how hard it is before. What I really dread wrt that comment is that ignorant people are going to use it as a counter-argument. “Bonnie’s treatment has nothing to do with color! Kat said so!” Ugh. And I know KG gets frustrated with how Bonnie’s written. Like I said, I do pay attention to her. Maybe this response was part of her frustration.

      • What I really dread wrt that comment is that ignorant people are going to use it as a counter-argument. “Bonnie’s treatment has nothing to do with color! Kat said so!”

        Yeah, the “black actress” bit was the worst. So many people keep excusing the treatment of PoC on the basis that it is part of the artistic freedom of individual writers. It is like telling me not to criticize one restaurant for not letting PoC in because I am infringing on the rights of an individual business owner – all the while, expecting me to ignore that ALL but a couple of restaurants don’t let PoC in. It is an industry wide issue. No one in the industry is above criticism.

      • I do know the fan got kind of personal, but nowhere in the post did the person say she wants Bonnie to be the lead.

        Frankly, this is something else that bothers me. Caroline fans say that they want Caroline to be the lead constantly. So what if Bonnie fans want Bonnie to be the lead? I am not ashamed to say that I ALWAYS wanted Bonnie or Jeremy to be a fourth lead. Everyone wants their fave to get more attention. This applies to every show. I don’t like how Bonnie fans are constantly being told to know their place or wtvr.

        • And the thing is, I have seen some Bonnie fans wanting her to be the fourth lead, and it’s because there’s a basis for it in the books. Bonnie Mc (however you spell her name) was positioned as the fourth lead in the books. That position clearly went to Caroline in season 2. And it’s gone to her in terms of attention. I mean….the main villain caught feelings for her. Really?

          Yeah, it seems that Bonnie fans are always being told to put a cap in their fannish wishes. It’s like they (whoever speaks out) take our complaints seriously enough to tell us to cool it but not enough to show changes on the show.

          • And the thing is, I have seen some Bonnie fans wanting her to be the fourth lead, and it’s because there’s a basis for it in the books.

            There is basis for it in the show. Bonnie’s actions consistently drive the plot. Elena’s presence causes drama and Bonnie cleans up said drama. This is why Bonnie is especially frustrating to me. It is like, even if it makes all the sense in the world, having a WOC lead is a bridge too far.

            • There is basis for it in the show. Bonnie’s actions consistently drive the plot. Elena’s presence causes drama and Bonnie cleans up said drama.

              I completely agree.

          • In the finale, Bonnie was the one who did the most significant things. She kept everyone alive while neutralizing Klaus. I mean, wasn’t that what the second half of the season was about?

            • Yep. Olu pointed out to me that Bonnie and Rebekah are the only ones who accomplished what they wanted. Bonnie neutralized Klaus and kept everyone alive, and Rebekah neutralized Alaric by killing Elena.

              • Lol and I don´t even think that are the victories JP is talking about in that interview because what is a Bonnie for her?

                • Nope, I don’t think so. I don’t think she ever thinks of Bonnie as an individual, tbh. It doesn’t come across in the writing, and of course there’s the fact that she barely talks about her in interviews. Look at how long she went on about Alaric.

    • Thanks for sharing! It’s fine in this thread. I’ll also link to it when I put up the finale podcast, and I’ll credit you.

      I agree that season 3 was pretty much a delayed sophmore slump. We’ll see how season 4 does.

  6. Haven´t seen it posted here: http://tvline.com/2012/05/11/vampire-diaries-season-3-finale-post-mortem-julie-plec/

    Smh at her answer in regards to Alaric … she is such a fangirl for her own writing.

    And I want to know if they are following the books she should know that Elena doesn´t last long as a vampire … will she be killed off like in the books too?

    And look at this:

    TVLINE | It seemed for a little while there that Klaus was being written off. Why did you decide to bring him back in this way?
    Rarely do you have a character that comes in [during] the middle of the series and just explodes and an actor that embodies him so well that people love to hate him and hate to love him. Joseph Morgan as Klaus is pretty special. Though we wanted our heroes to have a victory after all this time, we also realized that there’s still so much more of Joseph Morgan as Klaus that we need to see on the show. We tried to make sure we got both the win for our heroes and the win for our show, which is still having Joseph a part of it.

    Her love for the actor has stopped her again from killing off a character that doesn´t go anywhere anymore.
    And our heroes didn´t have a victory: the real Alaric is dead but in the end killed no vampire, all the Originals are still alive, Elena is dead and Klaus is alive and now is in Tyler´s body – what is the victory for our “heroes”? She must have watched a different season than me.

    And what could be in store of the character of “Klaus”? His source for making a hybrid army is dead, is he going to take revenge on them? He won´t succeed anyway because they are all main characters and he won´t kill any of them. Contrived Klaroline? More Original siblings shenanigans? Please stop it.

    Btw the whole cast will be at the CW Upfronts this year, even Claire Holt, but not Joseph Morgan, perhaps because he is shooting a movie at the moment. With Claire at the Upfronts I´m more and more certain that Rebekah will be a reg next season and I don´t understand why, because her character has no story left tbh. She is the reason for Elena being killed and Matt almost dying too. So they shouldn´t try to make Matt/Rebekah happen. Will there be more of Rebekah/Caroline rivalry? Please not.
    Has somebody an idea what could happen with her character or is it again only because they love Claire Holt so much. And now we really would have 4 female regs and three of them are vampires. Good work show writers.
    And I also don´t think we will see Katherine for a long while with Rebekah being here and Elena turning into a vampire. Don´t know where she could fit in.

    • Rarely do you have a character that comes in [during] the middle of the series and just explodes and an actor that embodies him so well that people love to hate him and hate to love him. Joseph Morgan as Klaus is pretty special. Though we wanted our heroes to have a victory after all this time, we also realized that there’s still so much more of Joseph Morgan as Klaus that we need to see on the show. We tried to make sure we got both the win for our heroes and the win for our show, which is still having Joseph a part of it.

      If she really liked controversial characters, she would be super into Bonnie.

      Debora Scartezini ‏ @Dezinha7 22 Apr

      @julieplec you should make a votation to see what tvd fans really want, Delena or Stelena. But truly, like an official vote.

      julieplec ‏ @julieplec 23 Apr

      @Dezinha7 Sorry, but if I did that, we wouldn’t be storytellers, we’d be reality competition show producers.

      IF I interpreted her interview answer correctly, it is already a reality competition. I mean, I think she was saying that she is keeping Klaus because he generated a lot of conversation around the show.

      And I also don´t think we will see Katherine for a long while with Rebekah being here and Elena turning into a vampire. Don´t know where she could fit in.

      At first, she will probably be trying to figure out why no one from Klaus’ line died. She might even have some clue that Klaus’ spirit/soul might still be around. She could question Bonnie. As soon as the Tyler!Klaus thing is revealed, her story will be the same as before but with the power with her now??

      I actually don’t know how Caroline fits into the show now. Rebekah has many of old Caroline’s personality traits and Elena has another bff. She never moves the plot forward – not since early season 2 IIRC. I guess, she will be concerned that Tyler is under Klaus’ control again. So it is going to be a repeat of season 3? And I have no idea what Matt could be doing either.

      • If she really liked controversial characters, she would be super into Bonnie.

        Yup yup. But Bonnie isn’t male or White (Katherine), so….

        So far, it seems Caroline’s story will be reacting to Tyler/Klaus’ story. Oh, didn’t JP say the Council would still be after them?

      • Plec said:
        @Dezinha7 Sorry, but if I did that, we wouldn’t be storytellers, we’d be reality competition show producers.

        Susan said: IF I interpreted her interview answer correctly, it is already a reality competition. I mean, I think she was saying that she is keeping Klaus because he generated a lot of conversation around the show.

        I agree… and awww…Plec thinks she’s an actual storyteller! That’s *adorable*! 😛

        The truth is, she, like most showrunners, wants the power and won’t surrender any to the fans. She’ll tease the fans and pander to some extent, but basically this is HER fantasy and it’s gonna go her way. If Elena’s her avatar, Elena will end up with whoever Plec finds hottest. I’m betting on Matt as the series finale endgame love interest for Elena… since MattActor was the first guy I heard of Plec sexually harrassing on the show. 😛 So, naturally Rebekah will pine for Matt too. New love triangle!

        And now that Julie Plec has a thing for KlausActor as well, it’s clear that he *must* get together with the other main female character on the show, Caroline, aka Plec Avatar #2. Since Plec doesn’t see herself in Bonnie, poor Bonnie doesn’t get to be in a love triangle with Matt or Klaus. 😦 Let’s just consider ourselves lucky that Alaric is a ghost now (and ignore the whole Jeremy-somehow-kissing-GhostAnna thing).

        • and awww…Plec thinks she’s an actual storyteller! That’s *adorable*!

          LMAO!

          I really don’t think she’s that fond of Joseph. What I mean is, she seems to view him as a regular actor. Compare that to how she’s talked about Matt Davis, Ian Somerhalder, and Daniel Gillies. She definitely didn’t change her mythology for Joseph. As a matter of fact, she screwed him over by 1)changing the mythology for Daniel Gillies and 2)gave him Caroline as a love interest when I’m positive she knows Joseph wanted a witch/Bonnie as a love interest.

        • since MattActor was the first guy I heard of Plec sexually harrassing on the show

          Could you elaborate on that? I know that Zach is one of her favourites but I never got the impression that her dreams are made of him roaming around naked in the writers room or something like that. I didn´t count many shirtless!MattActor scenes in the last three seasons.

          • Dang I should’ve bookmarked or saved proof! I’m sure someone else who follows twitter more closely could elaborate better than me… I’ve just seen JP quotes here and there and heard of her being unprofessional in drooling over him, etc. Like crossing the line beyond “gotta promote the hunks on my show to a target audience seeking hunks!” to “gonna make my male employees feel like their boss is ogling them to an uncomfortable degree.” Had a conversation with Susan about it on this site, way back when… back me up, Susan? 😉 I definitely wouldn’t want to work for Julie Plec, if I were a guy… or in any case. 😛

            But you raise an interesting question about shirtless!MattActor scenes. Although he has gotten an increase in screentime lately (and has stuck around longer than he should’ve as a pretty pointless character who I personally expected to be killed off by now and I can only assume his survival is Plec-crush-related.) …Maybe JP has moved on slightly to new boy-toys she chooses to make shirtless? Hmmm. Gotta rotate the harem, I suppose. 😉

    • How does she stop being a vamp in the books?

      Lol @ JP saying the cast were very supportive of the finale. Not PW, lmao. I don’t see how the finale was a return to season 1.

      That being said, every single scene that I had my hands in from the time he became his alter-ego to the end of this season, I would sit at the computer and weep. Tears would fall onto the keys, knowing that in a lot of ways this was goodbye. It was definitely very emotionally traumatic for me.

      My God.

      It’s bs that Klaus’ body is still in tact. Unless Bonnie put a protection spell over it. Convenient. Ugh. What the hell is any of this doing for Bonnie’s character?! She saved everyone. Yes, I’ve seen that before. Can we get some perspective? I’m so antsy because they missed the opportunity for drama and angst and challenge when her mother came on. Nothing happened! Ugh.

      Her love for the actor has stopped her again from killing off a character that doesn´t go anywhere anymore.

      I guess Bonnie got a victory. The others are just riding her tails.

      Is Torrey going? I want Meredith gone. And if Rebekah becomes a regular, then that’s one more person to get more scene and more development than Bonnie. I don’t think I’m exaggerating when that’s exactly what happened this year. How many quiet moments and introspection scenes did Rebekah get? And how many did Bonnie get? Plus she’s insecure and wants to be wanted. The writers are going to have a field day.

      They’re playing Matt/Rebekah like Matt has any reason to like Rebekah, considering who he is, and I’m not feeling it.

      I’d like for Elena and Katherine to interact at least once now that she’s a vamp. Just, no stupid comparisons about how she’s better than Katherine. I’ve never been interested in that.

      • How does she stop being a vamp in the books?

        Lol, she dies. She is in a fight with Katherine to save the Salvatores and both of them burn in the sun, that´s the Original ending but then Smith wrote a fourth book in which Bonnie has dreams of her and in the end she comes back as human (at least it looks like at the end of the fourth book) for no reason, that´s when the ghosts carry Klaus away. And everything seems to be okay but Smith retconned that in the new trilogy and Elena became some kind of angel. Didn´t read them but I saw someone mentioning wings lmao.

        Not PW, lmao.

        Didn´t even think about that, lmao.

        Is Torrey going? I want Meredith gone.

        I don´t know if she is going but I could see Meredith being back next season especially with her being the reason for Elena being in transition.

        And if Rebekah becomes a regular, then that’s one more person to get more scene and more development than Bonnie. I don’t think I’m exaggerating when that’s exactly what happened this year. How many quiet moments and introspection scenes did Rebekah get? And how many did Bonnie get? Plus she’s insecure and wants to be wanted. The writers are going to have a field day.

        Ugh.

        Just, no stupid comparisons about how she’s better than Katherine. I’ve never been interested in that.

        Yes, please.

      • “I would sit at the computer and weep. Tears would fall onto the keys, knowing that in a lot of ways this was goodbye. It was definitely very emotionally traumatic for me.”

        😮 Julie Plec is begging to be parodied on a behind-the-scenes satire of the TV industry. How *do* you stand being so gosh-darn brilliant, JP? 😛 Seriously, how can someone be so ridiculous and so clueless. Clearly this woman has never experienced true emotional trauma. Get a life, lady. And get a grip. You’re crying over your fictional character not even really dying/leaving the show. It’s mind boggling. Well, she’s actually crying in a self-indulgent tribute to her own geeeenius!

        You’d think the lack of Emmys and ever-dwindling ratings might cause her to suspect the truth (and give her a better reason to weep). But I suppose only those with healthy egos become showrunners. The greater the ego, the lesser the talent, it seems.

    • Rarely do you have a character that comes in [during] the middle of the series and just explodes and an actor that embodies him so well that people love to hate him and hate to love him.

      ??? I just fail to see how the response to Klaus is all that special tbh. Like, he is the villain, of course he’s going to inspire a strong response in the viewers. It comes with the territory. And as for his popularity: Villains are often very popular characters, especially – let’s be real – if they are played by an attractive actor (see, Kol who’s also pretty popular despite adding nothing to the show). I don’t get this reasoning for keeping Klaus around. His character has run its course. Yes, there are lots of viewers who love him, and there are also lots of viewers who think that he is lame. Let’s move on, please!!!

      • Who hates to love Klaus? Who? I don’t think anyone is conflicted. With her logic, she’ll never let any character go when their due date comes. She didn’t do it with Katherine, she didn’t do it with Elijah, she’s not doing it with Klaus. I’m sure Rebekah will become insufferable next season, and she’ll probably make Kol overstay his welcome (although she doesn’t seem to be as into Kol as she is the others).

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    • “Rebekah will be a reg next season and I don´t understand why, because her character has no story left tbh. She is the reason for Elena being killed and Matt almost dying too. So they shouldn´t try to make Matt/Rebekah happen.”

      But that’s precisely why Rebekah and Matt are MEANT 2 BE!! Almost killing him only provides more *delicious* angst and it’s cute, y’know, like a pre-schooler kicking the shins of someone she has a crush on? Vampire version of that. 😉 Plus, Rebekah already hates Elena, so why not have her hate Elena some more because Matt’s still hung up on her and Rebekah wants him?

      I’m beginning to understand how Julie Plec’s mind works, and this scares me.

      “And now we really would have 4 female regs and three of them are vampires.”

      And none of them are allowed to be badass vampires…just obsess over boys and party-planning. 😛 We want Katherine to come back, but let’s face it, she’d just pine over Stefan again and probably get in a catfight with Caroline and Rebekah over the theme & decorations for the next school dance.

      • Plus, Rebekah already hates Elena, so why not have her hate Elena some more because Matt’s still hung up on her and Rebekah wants him?

        Oh my God! What if they do this?! What if they bring up Matt still being hung up on Elena so that Rebekah can look like a kicked puppy? She’s already weirdly bothered by how much everyone wants to save Elena and “Not everything is about you.”

        And none of them are allowed to be badass vampires

        Word. Rebekah had the episode where she tortured Damon, but that’s the only instance I remember. Oh, and when she figured out that Stefan was lying.

      • I’m beginning to understand how Julie Plec’s mind works, and this scares me.

        Me too, but my body and mind is fighting against it and that´s why sometimes I post things like the one post you quoted lol.
        Of course Matt and Rebekah are meant to be, how could I forget about the Plecian Logic.

        And none of them are allowed to be badass vampires

        Also true.

    • That´s the million dollar question lol … I could see Claire replacing Matt Davis. Would they leave out one regular, because I don´t see him being replaced with another character.

    • According to the interview Kathrin posted, JoMo is out there, ripe to come back. But he seems to be shooting a movie right now? I think it would be a very bad idea to keep him on as a regular. He needs to disappear for a long while, otherwise season 3 will have been truly pointless in terms of the plot.

      • But he seems to be shooting a movie right now?

        But only for the summer, I think he will be finished with it when they are start to shoot again.

        He needs to disappear for a long while, otherwise season 3 will have been truly pointless in terms of the plot.

        It would be definitely better for the show. I really think they should have rested that Klaus plotline after the victory in episode 21. They should have focused on Alaric and Elena in the finale, with her sacrificing herself or something so that her friends could live. The writers for sure would have found a reason for more suspense and so on, but this new development with Tyler being possessed by Klaus is ridiculous. JP said in the VRO interview that they regret to have Tyler away for so long to break the sire bond but now we have him away again because now Klaus is in his body … we still have him on screen but this does nothing for his character. JP doesn´t know what to do with his character and if this is the great sl Tyler has in season 4, then lol.
        I thought he would be the character to be killed off this season but then the news about his new sl for season 4 came in … now I think he will probably be dead as a shocking cliffhanger for the winter hiatus or whatever last episode the CW is airing in 2012 for season 4.
        At least with Zach Roerig we know that JP loves him, but I never saw her fangirling about Michael.

        • Nooooo!!!!

          If she planned out the character arcs for everyone instead of just the romantic side of the triangle, she wouldn’t have so many regrets.

          Klaus definitely should have stayed desiccated and the finale should’ve been about killing Alaric or desiccating him.

    • I think they will announce the members of the regular cast during the CW Upfronts on Thursday, at least I think they did the same last year.

    • Kathrin listened to JP’s VRO interview and said this happened:

      Something interesting in regards to the scene where Stefan saves Matt, apparently Paul read the script and called JP and protested against it, because he said that Stefan would never do that he would save Elena, but JP tried to reasoning that this is the big difference between Stefan and Damon, that he respects her decisions and so on. She got very loud in the interview so I would say Paul protested really vehemently against that writers decision. But JP didn´t back down.

      • Thanks for bringing this over Alta and I already discussed it with Emily after we listened to that interview but again the writers show us how awful they really are. The same happened with the Abby situation, Stefan and Damon had to decide what to do to save Elena and they talked about how much she would hate them but in the end they did it anyway and killed Bonnie´s mom. But now it comes to Matt … who of course is a series regular and so on, but it is the same situation and apparently now Stefan respects her decisions I can´t deal with this.

      • He probably pointed out that logically Stefan should be able to save them both but then realizing JP doesn’t get logic argue in dramatic sense. Paul apparently is the one to tell Julie he doesn’t like the script.

        • That´s possible but that´s not what JP said, apparently Paul only called because he couldn´t believe he would listen to Elena and let her drown while saving Matt.

          I really hope there are more actors who don´t like the scripts and perhaps discuss it with her, but I don´t think she will change anything about them.

            • Sorry for the random comment…I got linked here through the vampire-diaries.net boards, through someone’s sig.

              Michael also said at the Chicago con that he wanted Tyler to interact with Stefan and Damon, people he usually doesn’t get to have scenes with. I also got the sense from his TVGuide interview that he was annoyed at the way the show broke up Forwood: http://www.tvguide.com/news/vampire-diaries-michael-trevino-1047369.aspx

              LOL, his honesty is kind of refreshing but it’s not gonna win him any points with Plec.

              • Welcome! Thank you for sharing this! The first commenter is pretty basic.

                Trevino was frustrated with Tyler’s story in season 1. I wonder about his truly feelings now. A couple of things have happened to Tyler, but they haven’t given us any insight into the character. He went offscreen and suddenly he wasn’t Klaus’ “little bitch” anymore. How are Tyler and his mom getting along now that she knows that he’s a werewolf? When did he tell her he’d gone from a werewolf to a Hybrid?

          • apparently Paul only called because he couldn´t believe he would listen to Elena and let her drown while saving Matt.

            Total understandable if you remember that Stefan *kidnapped* Elena about a week before. I bet JP forgot.

      • Verrrry interesting! Paul Wesley must’ve protested ’cause he knows Stefan’s losing fangirls for being too wimpy. 😛 Nope, Julie Plec won’t listen to critical viewers and she won’t listen to the actors …unless one of them sucks up to her on twitter. 😉 Or she lusts after him. But PW is married and JP has other fantasy objects on the show. Sorry Paul! I mean, when’s the last time Stefan had a gratuitious shirtless scene? That says it all. 😛

        And now that he’s questioned her Genius Vision… so long, Stefan. Look forward to even less screentime and even more crappy characterization. Must suck for PW to start out as the clear leading man/soulmate of TVD and end up here. JP should just let him go permanent Ripper since he doesn’t stand a chance against Damon & Matt in the Epic Battle For Julie Plec’s, er, I mean, Elena’s Heart. 😉

        At least PW could have fun playing evil again and not be as bored as an actor. If he’s smart, he’ll protest loudly *against* being the Big Bad Ripper, and Julie Plec will “punish” him with it. 😉

  7. Spoiler from TV Guide:

    How the heck will Klaus feel about losing the doppelganger now that Elena is apparently going to be a vampire on The Vampire Diaries? — Sarah
    NATALIE: We’ll let executive producer Julie Plec take this one: “The loss of the doppelganger is gonna be a BFD for Klaus and will drive his actions for the season. Suddenly he’s vulnerable for many reasons. There’s a stake that can kill him, a witch that can desiccate him, and no way to build up the hybrid army he needs — psychologically, at least — to feel safe. Plus, Caroline’s going to be peeved at him once she realizes he bamboozled her. In other words, he ain’t gonna be so happy.”
    Source: http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz-Bones-Greys-Anatomy-HIMYM-1047553.aspx

    I don’t like the sound of that. But then again, it doesn’t seem like JP has planned anything out yet, so who knows how that will turn out.

    • Thanks for bringing this, Emily. Is BFD supposed to be Big Fucking Deal? I can’t express how much I don’t want Klaus in season 4. He’s one of the reasons season sucked so bad. I don’t want to deal with that bad energy for even half of season 4, let alone for all of it *____*. Plus, the loss of the doppelganger can’t drive his actions for 22 episodes. That’s ridiculous. Especially with how schizo this show is.

        • Lmao Klaus and Rebekah the two characters who killed the “heroine” of the show as main characters next season. Only TVD could do something like that.

          But I´m with Alta I hope that´s not the case.

          • Ugh. I remember my annoyance when, after the season 2 finale, they said they were making Elena’s killer a regular so we could get to know him.

            • they said they were making Elena’s killer a regular so we could get to know him.

              Smh. Look at this lol … they did better this year we already know the killer of Elena, “She’s just a girl. She lost her mom too young and she loves blindly and recklessly even if it consumes her.” … but that won´t stop the writers from giving her even more screentime next season.

      • Yes, that’s what it stands for. Lol at ‘bad energy’ – I agree! I was joking with Kathrin that they might have Klaus looking for ways to turn Elena back into a human. If that happens, I hope that it happens off-screen.

  8. Rebekah and Klaus do wonders for this show and you guys should be pleased that they will be on next season. Otherwise we’d have to watch Jeremy or god forbid more Matt scenes of pointlessness. Or worse yet they bring in new random characters and kill them off in 5 episodes.

      • lol slightly but not for the most part. I feel that their presence has allowed for some unique stroylines that otherwise would have been focused on boring human problems like matt working two jobs to pay rent or jeremy playing with his dog. I feel like the Rebekah character in particular will have a great deal of things to contribute next season and by putting off Klaus for the first 4 or 5 episodes, I think they might be able to do something NEW and interesting with his character like people want. I for one hate when they bring in new characters just to off them in a few episodes. At least the ones that I start to like.

        • I don’t think we would have spent time focusing on human problems. When all Matt did was work back in season 2, the show ignored him completely. Jeremy played with his dog offscreen.

          Well Joseph Morgan may not be in the first couple of episodes, but Klaus will be as played by Trevino. But a couple of people think Bonnie’s going to make Klaus vacate Tyler’s body by the end of the premier, and they might be right.

          I’m just over Klaus. I want him gone. Season 3 focused on him and his feelings so much that it was an inconsistent mess. But I know I won’t get my wish.

          • I still want him and Stefan to actually develop a REAL friendship that isn’t forced or coerced or brought on by blood ripper Stefan. That is basically all I can think of that would be fun to watch at the moment. I’ve never been a fan of Trevino though, so if a Klaroline thing did happen I wouldn’t be opposed to it. But I love Claire Holt more than any of the actors in the cast lol so I don’t want to see her go.

  9. As a fan of Stefan’s character, I am extremely pissed at some of the things coming out of Julie Plec’s mouth. Who is Stefan gunna love when Elena starts vamp banging Damon? Cause Plec basically is saying that’s gunna happen next season. Obviously Stefan will be with Elena, he will try to teach her how to be a good vamp, but she will end up preferring Damon’s methods is what I’ve gathered from her interviews. On top of that with her “memories coming back” and her potential to be another person (paraphrasing Plec here) ugh it’s so freaking obvious they are setting up Delena for some time next season.

    This pisses me off as we just went through an entire season of Delena after Stefan heroically left town and traveled around with Klaus to SAVE your FREAKING life Elena. Plus all this comes at the end of Elena breaking Damon’s heart and choosing Stefan, AGAIN. So my question is what does Stefan do when Elena dumps him a month into being a vampire and starts banging his brother? Does Stefan be all “yay a life time without the closest person in my life, Damon” “oh and yay a life time without you too Elena.” That is wonderful. No fraking way. He better go all psycho Big Bad and murder her or something. /rage.

    lol ^ I overact to such random Plec interviews. Idk I love Damon. I’ve only started hated Delena recently when it started to be shown as something more real than in the past. I liked it more when they were friendly to one another. This threeway between two brothers and a twin of their ex is kinda gross.

    • “He better go all psycho Big Bad”

      Haha, I just said the same thing. 😛 Since Plec doesn’t seem to care much about Paul/Stefan, the best thing that can happen for him is becoming the Big Bad. All these female characters who’ve “loved” Stefan, just seems like the writers pacifying Paul Wesley. The writing isn’t actually favoring him y’know? Now that Elena’s moving on to Damon, Rebekah’s moving on to Matt, and Katherine’s just…moved on…somewhere… Stefan’s kinda irrelevant (as a love interest…which is all that TVD’s about anyway).

      People thought he and Bonnie had chemistry once, way back in season one, but that possibility is shot to hell now he’s been as awful to her as Damon has. Fans also thought Stefan and Caroline had chemistry once, but they never get to interact anymore and of course, she’s “reserved” for Plec’s new favorite, Klaus.

      And I’m sure PW’s bored as an actor. If he’s not gonna “get the girl” anyway, let him have some fun as the villain. I’d rather see him as the Big Bad, personally, ’cause I find Stefan annoying as the self-righteous martyr “hero”, acting morally superior to Damon when he’s really not.

      • And I’m sure PW’s bored as an actor.

        I’m sure he is too. All of these actors (who play the permanent characters) are smart. I’m sure they realize the crap their characters are getting, and it’s starting to come out in their interviews, and it started with Ian back in season 2.

        • “and it started with Ian back in season 2.”

          Oooh really? Tell me more! 🙂 I love it when actors rebel. And I hear that sometimes actors are punished with…dun dun DUN!.. bad hair and makeup. 😉

          • Lmao. Back in season 2 when Damon was crying every other episode, Ian gave several interviews where it was clear he didn’t like it and didn’t think it was in character for Damon. He’s always talking about hope for a return to “badass Damon.” I feel like, on the whole, he doesn’t understand why Elena would choose Damon (and I think right now he doesn’t know why she’d choose either Salvatore. It’s clear from Paleyfest that Nina doesn’t get it, lol). Even waaaayyy back in season 1, the finale, Ian had a hard time with the finale, because he didn’t feel like it was Damon (and I totally agreed at the time because I felt the turn to teary!Damon was sudden as heck. But then it happened so often that it became canon, you know? Had to rework how I saw the character).

            • Thanks! What would I do without you? 🙂 I’d have to watch/read every interview, that’s what, but I’m too lazy for that. 😉 I like Ian more and more…and Nina too…yay! Looks like the rebellion is growing… watch out Plec!

              JP’s just gonna punish them by making Ian cry or get naked on set, and by making Nina cry more too (not that she cries at the sight of Naked!Ian, but you know what I mean. :P) I read that Nina wants Elena to laugh and have more fun. Ha! Not likely. Hey…is that why Katherine vanished with no explanation?! Part of Nina’s no-fun punishment?

              But I’m going too far with the outlandish conspiracy theories. The explanation is simple. Julie enjoys indulging in tears, right? That *is* fun, for her. She’s just trying to spread the joy by making everyone (including the viewers) cry. 😉

      • Now that Elena’s moving on to Damon

        But is she? I mean, I guess if they want to do D/E the time is now but I think that you have to take into account that a lot of the things JP is saying now about the triangle is meant to pacify all the D/E shippers – and apparently there were many – who’ve threatened to quit the show because Elena didn’t choose Damon in the finale. Plus, I highly doubt that the show will ever let go of S/E as one of its main ships.

        […] she’s [Caroline] “reserved” for Plec’s new favorite, Klaus.

        *gulp* I don’t know if I have the strength to sit through this particular SL.

        • “Plus, I highly doubt that the show will ever let go of S/E as one of its main ships.”

          You’re right, Emily… I don’t think Elena will move on to Damon, exactly… just keep waffling between them. But Stefan was kinda set up as the main leading man/Good Brother since season one, and somehow more deserving of the female lead than Damon… now things don’t seem so certain. Damon’s been woobiefied and Stefan’s been made to look bad. Not even talking about his Ripper days… but bad in the eyes of the tween fans who think it’s more romantic for a guy to swoop in and do “what’s best” for a girl, no matter how she protests, rather than one who “lets her make her own decisions” and comes across as a wimp who’s willing to let her die. I mean, it’s just my guess that Plec & the fangirls have that impression of what True Love & Manly Men are about. 😛 These writers tend to glorify rape/non-consensual relationships. (I’m not looking forward to Klaus-as-Tyler tricking Caroline and worming his way into her heart…delightful scamp, that Klaus!)

          Anyway, I think Paul Wesley senses his position in the love triangle/show in general, slipping… but in the end, nobody really wins. All three characters will (do) look bad. Or Elena will choose Matt. 😛 She’ll be human again, I betchya.

  10. From the TVD press release for S4:

    Season Four begins with the knowledge that everything is changing. As Elena and her friends enter into the final stretch of high school before graduation sends them off on different paths, their bond to their home town of Mystic Falls takes on a deeper meaning when a new villain seems intent on destroying it.

    Read more tv spoilers at: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2012/05/vampire-diaries-press-release-teases-new-season-4-villain/#ixzz1vDQKvwfg

    Hmm. This is very vague. I guess this is referring to the Council? Maybe this villain is a new Council member, an Uncle John 2.0? Idk. I don’t see how this Council SL could drive an entire season tbh. But we’ll see.

    • Are we going to get a more specific summary like we did last year or is this everything we will get? Because that´s nothing … it really looks like the writers haven´t planned out anything at all.

      I don´t see the Council being the main threat next year, because that wouldn´t be frightening at all unless the new villain and head of the Council would be a new supernatual being. Because I don´t see a human as the biggest threat for the vampires of this town.

    • All I could think when I read that yesterday was that JP doesn’t know who the villain is. We know she doesn’t, and I guess the CW couldn’t wait for her to figure it out. Lol.

      As if these kids will ever go on paths different from each other. Please. They can’t even dress different. The guys all have the same style.

    • As Elena and her friends enter into the final stretch of high school before graduation sends them off on different paths

      CAN’T. STOP. LAUGHING.

      I guess they are going to team up with Klaus and the Original clan. None of those guys wants to see Mystic Falls destroyed either.

    • Btw, here’s the complete press release: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/05/vampire-diaries-season-4-press-release.html
      It’s mostly a recap of S3. (“Meanwhile, Klaus found himself irresistibly drawn to Caroline Forbes, forcing Caroline’s boyfriend, Tyler Lockwood, to break his sire bond to Klaus and claim Caroline as his own.” What? Who writes these things?) And, at the end of the press release, Joseph Morgan is still listed as a member of the regular cast.

      • “and claim Caroline as his own.” What? Who writes these things?)

        Haha! I bet Julie Plec writes the press releases. And weeps over them. She’s got nothing better to do, right? That line seems like the same cheesy romance novel “style” that Plec uses for the Klaus/Caroline/pony scenes. Soon Klaus will gallop towards Caroline on his trusty steed and claim her for *his* own. Caroline will protest, but secretly she’ll be thrilled! Tyler will howl at the moon in anguish. ‘Scuse me now I’m gonna cry on my keyboard, Plec-style.

        • Tyler will howl at the moon in anguish.

          Lmao!!!! And I just realized this style of reference (Tyler claimed Caroline as his own) is similar to Klaus saying he’s the alpha male. Somebody, please free Caroline.

      • I read that on vd.net. I mean….how else would that storyline be phrased? It’s funny they wrote that about Tyler when we know he was gone for all of the Klaroline shenanigans and when he came back, Caroline was conveniently not affected by Klaus anymore.

        • Yeah, I realize that it’s hard to write a S3 recap that doesn’t sound ridiculous, since the SLs *were* very ridiculous. You cannot make that stuff sound good, it’s impossible. But “claim Caroline for his own”? Really? And, like you wrote, this recap makes it sound as if Tyler left to break the sire bond because of Klaroline flirtation.

          • Oh yeah, the wording is definitely ridiculous. What I meant was, I imagine there are very few ways to make that particular storyline sound better than it was. And we know from reading the episode summaries for season 3 that the CW people don’t take their time with to work out the phrasing of things *_____*.

    • “everything is changing”

      You LIE, press release!!!! Nothing ever changes on this show. 😛

      My season 4 “spoilers”:

      Someone will be vampirized (and still be weak and ineffectual). Someone will be killed and come back even if their body should’ve burned to bits (dangit!) Someone will talk to ghosts (but probably not make out with them this time). A blonde will be tortured and we will be desensitized to her tears and roll our dry eyes at her lack of badassery. A naked man will walk around behind strategically placed furniture. Decade Dances will be decorated with disregard for period detail. And a mistreated witch-servant will pray her father remains invisible and thus alive…somewhere out there…maybe…

  11. lol I disagree with most of what you guys say, but I am devoid of TVD atm and NEED to listen to you guys talk more about it.

          • I still don’t know I didn’t stick to boycotting when they killed off Anna. I was a big fan of hers way back when.

            • I was more upset about Pearl’s death. I wanted her to be a permanent thorn on the side of the group and gouge out Stefan’s eyes too. Grams/Bonnie and Pearl/Anna are what made season one so awesome for me.

              • Yup, Pearl’s death upset me more than Anna’s. A puny human killed a 400+ vampire? I hated UJ for that. I wasn’t a big fan of him in the first place, because I didn’t like how he waltzed in and knew everything. But for some reason, when he showed back up in season 2, I was very happy to see him. And I was sad when he died.

  12. About Matt and Jeremy: http://tvline.com/2012/05/22/grimm-spoilers-bones-rookie-blue-glee/

    Matt’s story does not interest me. I don’t want to see it, and here’s why: he couldn’t have predicted that Rebekah was going to show on that bridge with the intent to kill Elena. Everyone was supposed to be focused on Alaric. Should he feel guilt? Sure, it’s only natural. But “weight heavily” on him? How heavily are we talking? How much mileage would he get out of a story like that?

    As for Jeremy, a large part of me feels like he wouldn’t want retribution against Rebekah? It’s not like he doesn’t know the girl has something against Elena. Plus, last time Elena almost became a vamp was in season 2 when Damon forced his blood down her throat. Jeremy was cool as a cucumber as he searched in those books. I don’t think Jeremy’s been established as one who would “not want this” for Elena or anyone. They’re messing his stance up, imo. Jeremy has a stance on losing family members, not on people being turned into vamps. But since Rebekah is supposed to become persona non grata…..

      • I won’t like that. Just please, don’t even let him hurt Rebekah. I’d prefer it if Jeremy was like, “Well….she’s still alive. Unlike what happened to Jenna.” As a matter of fact, I hope he starts thinking that he’s going to die sometime soon, because the Gilberts and Sommers die, but the Petrovas live on. And now that Elena’s a vamp? She’s got it made. I want Jeremy to think of this! Even for one episode! The show won’t give it to me, so I might fic it.

        • How much mileage would he get out of a story like that?

          None. This show doesn’t let the characters work through or acknowledge their guilt long enough for a story to take place and like Emily said, they’re clearly pushing Matt/Rebekah, so he won’t be feeling overly guilty or self-preservationy tbh, if he’s going to be in that relationship. Slightly on topic: my only problem with Matt/Rebekah actually occurring on the show is that the writers are going to play it straight, like she isn’t a 1000 years or someone who has tried to kill him and his friends on multiple occasions or that he didn’t kill her brother and participate in the effort to kill several of her family members and her. They’re just going to be two seniors. Or whatever. And that will be boring.

          But back to the main point of what you were getting at, there’s actually no storyline for Matt in what JP’s describing. There’s no way, I hope, that they’ll stop paying attention to Elena’s transition long enough to do justice to what should be a multi-character experience of guilt. Because Matt is only part of the reason was on that bridge that night and Rebekah actually caused her death so…not that I want Rebekah to be guilty, but the way JP is describing upcoming events is boring beyond belief.

          • my only problem with Matt/Rebekah actually occurring on the show is that the writers are going to play it straight, like she isn’t a 1000 years or someone who has tried to kill him and his friends on multiple occasions or that he didn’t kill her brother and participate in the effort to kill several of her family members and her.

            AKA Klaroline. This show plays every relationship straight (except for maybe Delena?). They play Stefan’s hatred for Katherine straight. Like…he just hates her because she’s selfish and a bitch. Riveting.

            There’s no way, I hope, that they’ll stop paying attention to Elena’s transition long enough to do justice to what should be a multi-character experience of guilt.

            Even if it’s not guilt, I want (but know I won’t get) several characters to react to Elena transitioning, because if the producers open their eyes, Elena becoming a vamp does impact several people, and no, it’s not because they love Elena oh so much. Matt is one, but there’s also Jeremy and Bonnie. Just today I was envisioning a scene where Jeremy was very upset and he was taking it out on Meredith because she used vamp blood on Elena after knowing what happened to Bill. He’d ask her why she’s even practicing medicine, and maybe she would say his father probably did it too, and he would say, “I don’t think so, but if he did then he was a hack too,” because he’s upset, and it would be glorious. *Sigh.*

    • How much mileage would he get out of a story like that?

      Yeah, not much. Considering that they seem relatively intent on doing Matt/Rebekah, this seems even weirder to me. So it is going to ‘weigh heavily’ on him but he will be over Rebekah causing the accident in, what, 2-3 episodes?

      There might be a little bit of retribution.

      The way this is phrased I wouldn’t be surprised if this will be a blink-and-you-miss-it scene or won’t happen at all. Or… what if they have Matt talking Jeremy down? (I say Matt because I could see this as a possible springboard for Matt/Rebekah.)

      • Or… what if they have Matt talking Jeremy down?

        Nooo!!! No Jeremy going after Rebekah!

        I posed this question on tumblr, but what if they make Matt into a pseudo Gilbert? I doubt they’ll leave Elena and Jeremy by themselves. Elena needs another “family” with whom she’ll have more screen time than Jeremy. And Matt did say in the finale and she only has him and Jeremy now.

        • It’s going to happen and I’ll hate it, but it will also mean that Matt will be closer to death which will be such a relief to me.

          And Matt did say in the finale and she only has him and Jeremy now.

          Way to forget about Bonnie and Caroline, Matthias! (I’ve decided, just in this moment that Matt’s full name is Matthias and that’s no one has ever called him Matthew.)

          • Way to forget about Bonnie and Caroline, Matthias! (I’ve decided, just in this moment that Matt’s full name is Matthias and that’s no one has ever called him Matthew.)

            LMAO!!!! This is so random that it’s cracking me up! You just slipped that right in there, lmao.

            But it’s true though. And kind of stupid. He should’ve just named her brother. What, he doesn’t think Caroline and Bonnie care about Elena as much as he does? Caroline was being “smothering” like four scenes ago.

            • It just occurred to me that Matt’s full name being Matthew wasn’t enough, especially not if Vicki’s full name is Victoria. I just imagine their mom going fancy or naming them after their father’s parents, whoever the hell that guy is and regretting it. And then just the amount of hell that Tyler probably gave him when he found out kills me.

              Yup. Like I get that it makes the moment really intense, but he could have just as easily said, “we’re the only ones here now. bonnie’s with damon, caroline and tyler are who knows where and we can’t wait.” But instead it’s just the two of them because despite the ending of ep 21, the writers have no memory of the fact that these kids have been friends since before they could walk.

              • Mags and I went through and worked out the full name of all of the characters. We had the same thought as you: that Kelly gave Vicky and Matt fancy names. We decided that Matt’s middle name is Joseph tho. I’d have to find the conversation to give the rest of the character names.

                That would’ve been better!

                Ugh.

    • Almost everything that JP said after the season 2 finale didn’t happen. I don’t think she knows what she is going to write yet. The season just ended and she is working on some movie script right now. Plus, every ep is like a separate movie, remember?

  13. So Joseph Morgan is a regular for season 4. The cast list for season 4 is after the summary for season 3 that was released at the upfronts. Matt Davis is no longer on the list but also Claire Holt is not listed.

    I think this Tyler!Klaus thing will only last the first episode.

      • I wouldn’t mind Rebekah (or any of the characters tbh) leaving for awhile. I’m sick of death on this show because they use it incorrectly and for no purpose other than to make the characters suffer. So I’d rather, if they didn’t know what they were going to do with Rebekah, that she was like “Deuces bitches, I’ve got some shopping to do on the Riviera! Call me when shit gets real. Or don’t.”

        And then for the writers to bring her back for a purpose instead of…whatever.

        That was a long winded way of saying, I hope that Rebekah doesn’t die either, but I don’t want the writers to just have her hanging about in the background or whatever. Or in the foreground, but with nothing to do.

        • I’m sick of death on this show because they use it incorrectly and for no purpose other than to make the characters suffer.

          So freaking true. That’s the only reason people die. So the characters can suffer. For an episode or two.

      • I wonder if they’re going to kill anymore Originals. If they are, Kol will most likely die before Rebekah. The writers have put more effort into Rebekah than they have into Kol.

        • Kol is so one dimensional. I hope they off him in place of the other originals. I just fear that the only reason they left Rebekah alive this finale was so that they could kill her midway through next season for shock and awe value.

          • I just fear that the only reason they left Rebekah alive this finale was so that they could kill her midway through next season for shock and awe value.

            I’m almost positive a shocking mid-season finale/finale death is the only reason they keep anyone alive when it comes to this show.

  14. So JP´s birthday is today (or was yesterday) and I checked her twitter and if her lovely actors tweeted her (until now MT and KG didn´t – no sl for you two next season lol) but she got a ww trend and Joseph thanked her for changing his life and this was her answer: https://twitter.com/#!/julieplec/status/206422946493906944 – So I would say the possessed Tyler sl is over already after one episode.

    Off-Topic: Emily and I watched the biggest music event in Europe “The Eurovision Song Contest” (and nobody outside of Europe cares about it but it is so trashy and that´s why I love it so much lmao) and it seems like JP or the other TVD writers hired the song writers for this Song Contest to write songs about the different ships on this show … and it is so hilarious. We are working on a file and collect all the songs we already have the main ships … and if you are interested Alta I could send you the file when/if we finish it … especially the Klaroline one is just like someone transformed their dialogue into a song. It´s awesome.

  15. I checked Joseph Morgans Twitter yesterday and I saw that he retweeted a video and after watching that I could only thought how everything this season was centered around the mission to “kill Klaus” (not only the plot but eventually also the dialogue) … and I got angry. I can´t believe that these writers would look at a video like that and after watching it would say “Oh we did a great job this season” probably JP could, but urgh it´s so bad.
    Nevertheless here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltzbJYMSAbg – of course they forgot Bonnie with her being the first who tried to kill him, perhaps the video maker didn´t include it because it was in season 2 or like always Bonnie is not significant for them.

    • Ugh. Plan 1 was Bonnie back in season 2. Ugh.

      It’s a nice video though. And the thing is they never failed because of a good reason. It was always some lame and unnecessary occurrence to keep the season going.

    • Hahahaha! Klaus is just so lucky. It is not like the many attempts to murder him this season failed because of his cleverness. The universe loves him so damn much.

      I think the vidder only used season 3. Bonnie’s season 3 plan was in the vid.

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