My Beremy Heart!

Alright, how do I put this bluntly? That porch scene between Elena and the Salvatores was rank bullshit.

Elena is just starting to catch feelings for Damon. How the hell is she already stringing them along? You’re supposed to be working with Elena’s trajectory, writers, not yours or the viewers. What came out of Elena’s mouth was direct meta from the fans and Julie Plec.

That scene was all about the Salvatores, because Julie Plec is all about the Salvatores.

Is Elena supposed to be realizing she’s in love with Damon? Because I really haven’t gotten that from her. I’ve gotten lust and like.

“I know I’m being selfish.” I did not need that crap after Julie Plec Klaus berated her for tearing them apart. Make up your damn mind, writers! Is this Elena’s fault or is it not Elena’s fault? If it’s her fault, then why do you maintain on her doing it? Have her let them both go. Why does she want to put up with this? Why does she feel this is worth it? Why do you not want to write for Elena? Why is this triangle becoming so meta now that it’s really happening?

Am I really supposed to believe Elena feels for Damon as deeply as she does for Stefan? Already?

The words that came out of Elena’s mouth really did not sound like her. I’m not joking. That porch scene, on top of that scene with Klaus, was really set up to make her look like the bad guy. She’s in a lose-lose situation, and they don’t care. We just spent a scene talking about the Salvatore’s future (and we get another one later between just the two of them) and their stupid bond, when Elena’s relationship with Jeremy and Bonnie is marinating in the deepest, hottest level of hell, and she can’t be a good sister or a good friend to save her life because she must be stuck with the Salvatores.

So screeeeeewwwww the Salvatores and their future and their happiness and their simple as hell brotherhood, and their unhealthy feelings.

“60 yrs from now, none of this will have mattered.”

And scew the fangirl writers.

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113 thoughts on “My Beremy Heart!

  1. This ep was quite alright lol, had some really silly, stupid random moments but it was fun.

    Urgh I am with you, I actually thought they were going to kiss lol Kat/Steven are really not helping the Bonnie/Jamie ship. Really loved it.

    Really loved the gang being together made me realze we havent had scenes like that since season 1.

    Bonnie had me going hmm lol during the spell she seemed really into it like she was enjoying it, I am a bit iffy about the sl because of the writers it could either go really good or bad.

    Lol Klaus is the worst, when he was throwing things in the house I couldnt stop laughing espically with the gang dodging and Damon’s snarky comments, Klaus is really lame poor JM. Also why not take Elena’s blood from the start? urgh this season has been all over the place even the villan doesnt know what he wants or what he is doing.

    Klaus/Caroline lol again what was that about? I actually thought she was going to kiss him there lol whatever.

    Damon he was alright in this ep but he seriously annoyed me in the Bonnie scenes, Im really bored with the way he talks down to her and Bonnie just doesnt say anything anymore maybe she knows that he is all talk because they would all be dead without her. But the ”why do we need you?” during the silly product placement did make me roll my eyes Bonnie should have said ”your right, Im going home” idiot.

    Elena gets manhandled, thrown around, gets knocked out, loses a lot of blood and she goes home lol are they dumb? what about the hospital? i am actually suprised no one gave her vampire blood.

    Alaric actually became a threat wow, this maybe good and the council are involved double wow, hopefully it will actually go somewhere. I wish they would make them the main threat for next season but that probably wont happen.

    • This ep was weird because it parts of it felt like it belonged earlier in the season. Again, they could’ve killed Klaus earlier. After the Esther plan failed, why didn’t they think to give Klaus the Mikael treatment? Because they’re idiots?

      The Bonnie/Jeremy chemistry just flowed in that scene. It was natural to me, unlike Baime *______*.

      She looked like she was enjoying herself. It took her a second to realize Jeremy was unconscious, lol.

      Poor freaking Klaus and JoMo. I’m super glad he’s been put out of his misery. I liked the scene where he was throwing things, and it made me wish we’d gotten an episode of Klaus trapping them in Elena’s house.

      What was a Caroline in this episode? What was a Tyler? That speech he gave about true love was embarrassing as hell.

      Damon was alright to me too. The writers usually get him right. It’s everyone else they tend to get wrong in relation to him. Why was Bonnie so chummy? Why the hell did they kill Abby? Bonnie/Damon’s scenes would have been ace if Abby’s death wasn’t a thing.

      That product placement physically hurt me. Lol.

      She not only goes home, but she drinks alcohol. Clearly she’s a robot.

      Alaric supersped in front of them, so I think the Council is compelled. If they are, then it kind of defeats the purpose of outing Liz and Carol.

      • Alaric supersped in front of them, so I think the Council is compelled. If they are, then it kind of defeats the purpose of outing Liz and Carol.

        But aren´t they all on vervain? Would be really dumb of the Council members to don´t even take vervain.

        And did Carol invite Alaric into the her house … because he is now a vampire. Not very clever either. Somebody should have informed her about Alaric´s new status. I thought information go around so quickly on this show.

        • You’re right. We’ll see next episode, I guess. But if the point is to out Liz and Carol, I don’t know why he’d reveal himself like that.

          I thought information go around so quickly on this show.

          Only when it benefits the plot and they want to rob the characters of opportunities to learn about each other so their relationships can grow. Only in those times, lol.

      • Alaric supersped in front of them, so I think the Council is compelled. If they are, then it kind of defeats the purpose of outing Liz and Carol.
        they’re all supposed to be on vervaine.

    • Elena gets manhandled, thrown around, gets knocked out, loses a lot of blood and she goes home lol are they dumb? what about the hospital? i am actually suprised no one gave her vampire blood.

      I know they gave Bonnie Blood but not Elena. Okay. lol

      now with the council “aware” they might just try to burn Bonnie at the stake if she gets too big for her britches. Or if the writing things the same. Not witch burnings please.

  2. AHH BEREMY the forehead touching, the forehead touching, I’m still recovering.
    Bonnie and Jeremy were everything this episode he isn’t liking the Salvatores and I love you for that Jeremy. The forehead touching did you see it.
    Bonnie doing dark magic the veins she looked so pretty weird I know but she did. The forehead touching.
    Bonnie came up with the plan forehead touching. No Jamie yeah. Forehead touching.

    LOL at Klaus throwing things at the house he throw a fence at the house and I liked the music during that scene.

    Wow if I don’t pay attention to the plot this episode wasn’t so bad. I liked the acton stuff Salvatores getting their neck’s snap awesome. Klaus getting thrown around like a rag doll great.What is the point of being a hybrid?Never having to see Klaus again priceless oh wait he’ll be back next week ugh I can’t have everything but all I want is for Klaus and Alaric to go away.

    Problems:

    How in the hell did Elena figure out the whole Alaric binding thing.

    Klaus speech to Elena lol stop Klaus just stop. That whole time I kept saying I can’t I can’t I can’t I can’t keep watching this show.

    Everything about the triangle was terrible.

    Stefan and Klaus outside the school stop it.

    Caroline torture stop it.

    • THE FOREHEAD TOUCHING! It was everything! Everything! And did you see the looks! It was so beautiful!

      Bonnie looked gorgeous with the veins on her. Jeremy was amazing in this episode. He was sassy as hell. I loved him telling Stefan to get out.

      Wait, Klaus will be back next week?

      Why the heck are they bound? That’s pretty stupid on Esther’s part.

      Caroline was literally in this episode just to get tortured. Did you see how she forgot she had powers? First, she didn’t use her super hearing when she thought someone was in the school. Second, she runs out and tries to get in her car like she’s mortal or something. Just run away! Why did Rebekah abandon Caroline after Caroline helped her? That seemed pretty stupid to me.

      • I really didn’t get that damn key fumbling scene. she should have just kept running. And did alaric drag her back in? he should just carried her and Caroline shoulda just kept running but I guess she wanted to take her car with her. whatever

      • “Caroline was literally in this episode just to get tortured. Did you see how she forgot she had powers? ”

        I KNOW! I hate this show. And later she remembers she can super-speed away from Alaric, only to be grabbed by Klaus so he can order her to go home and stay there like a good little helpless girl. Arrghh. She should’ve been, “screw that! I’m helping take my torturer down!” But no. Let the men take care of business. Only kind of female heroics we want to see is the suicidal self-sacrificing of Elena, not the kickass variety.

        Klaus better not be back next week. But he probably will be, since this show loves to quickly undo the impact of whatever they did last episode, and maintain the status quo.

        • How come Caroline hasn’t started to ingest vervain? Is that only reserved for the male vampires? Yeah, Katherine’s immune, but she’s not a regular. Caroline must be vulnerable.

          But he probably will be, since this show loves to quickly undo the impact of whatever they did last episode, and maintain the status quo.

          Ain’t this the truth.

          • “How come Caroline hasn’t started to ingest vervain?”

            I was thinking the same thing!!!! Why didn’t Daddies Stefan and Damon teach her that?! Sheesh. Don’t both of them drink vervain now? How remiss of them! It’s. SO. STUPID. Caroline is not the vapid blonde from 1st season…or did she lose all the smarts she gained in season 2. Running to her car when all she had to do was RUN HOME!!! Dang. I never liked dumb Caroline.

          • How come Caroline hasn’t started to ingest vervain?

            I don´t know I thought she started it with the Salvatores. And especially after that interview with Joseph in which he said that Caroline is also the first one he can´t compel to love him and that is why she is such a challenge for him.
            Now it makes him look even dumber … because why didn´t he just compel her to love him. He compelled his best buddy Stefan already earlier this season so it wouldn´t be something new.

  3. The forehead touching. Ahh…oh my. They nailed it. Kat and Steven absolutely NAILED it! I’ll have more to say later. Right now, I just want to savor it. *sigh*

    • More chemistry in the forehead-touch than the makeout with Jaime, that’s for sure. I’m surprised TPTB didn’t edit that scene before the forehead-touch, y’know… why would they want to encourage Bonnie/Jeremy fans if they’re determined to push Jaime on us? Oh yeah…’cause the writers love torture. 😛

        • A new girlfriend? Great. I’ll be sure to get invested in their relationship, ’cause there’s no way they’d kill off *another* one of Jeremy’s girls…right? 😛 I’m sure a new love interest added in season *four* is definitely gonna become a regular on the show…ha ha ha. They should just put him back with Bonnie now ’cause she’s the only one left on the show he can date (who’s not already “spoken for” :P) – who isn’t considered expendable. Probably.

          • “They should just put him back with Bonnie now ’cause she’s the only one left on the show he can date (who’s not already “spoken for” 😛 ) – who isn’t considered expendable.”

            That’s logiv and I’m all for it!

          • I’m all for that. Or not even in a relationship, but an emotional back and forth because there’s no way Bonnie will just let him in after what he did, and he knows it.

  4. I have huge issues with how the writers handle Damon’s reactions to other people’s legitimate anger. They probably think it’s cute. Ian Somerhalder certainly plays the scenes as if Damon thinks it’s cute. Most of the time anyway.

    And there’s something incredibly messy about that when Damon is the only consistent character and more and more the obvious favorite of the writers. How can we be allowed to feel something for Caroline or Matt or Bonnie or Jeremy or Elena, if we’re meant to get a laugh out of Damon, the character that most often hurts or causes them pain? There are other issues at work with Stefan, since we’re supposed to go along with the characters having no chance to be angry with him and immediately accepting that he’s a good guy again. And we have Stefan understand this, but not react to it.

    But I was talking about Damon because who is Stefan anyway? I couldn’t really handle Damon during the scene with Bonnie and Abby because the scene favored him. If he’s going to be an asshole without consideration for others let him be, but the writers shouldn’t ask the audience to fall in line with that.

    • They do think it’s cute. It’s written and played as cute. Ugh.

      I couldn’t really handle Damon during the scene with Bonnie and Abby because the scene favored him.

      Yes! The scene favored him! They had Bonnie being sassy with Abby while Damon took up for Bonnie’s plight. Wtf?

    • Yes it annoys me to no end that the other characters are not allowed to be angry at him. Their not entitled to their feels about him and whatever he’s done. They just have to get over it. I’m so sick of these characters being told to get over. It’s not just the show it’s the fandom too. It’s they’re favorite thing to say about Bonnie she needs to get over it or she needs to get over herself.

      • Very true about the Fandom, and the show is supporting their opinions. I mean some people have said that Bonnie’s a hypocrite because she has problems with the Salvatores behavior, but she still hangs out with them. I no longer have a reply to that, especially not after this episode where she was all smiles and basically left Abby hanging. I hate that scene in the mansion.

        • I hate that scene in the mansion.

          me to. I mean despite the fact that she abandoned you when you were a child … she’s still another witch. You see how these “people” treat witches. What makes you think you are special when Stefa came after you and made you think he was going to kill both of you in the basement of your haven?

          Abby’s face. Even if that look made Bonnie feel a little vindicated because she was abandoned by this woman, I’d think she’d rather be the person causing the pain than to have Damon (the guy who’s hurt so many people, the guy who took your mother away from you) be the one to twist a knife.

          Maybe Bonnie’s already been dabbling in the evil … IDK. 🙄

    • *Sigh.* I’m more shaking my head that the show has made it so problematic yet some shippers continue to look at it as a ship that will eventually healthy. I know some are shipping it in the AU, etc, but some aren’t. And just the ridiculousness of their interactions after what they made him do to Bonnie. I don’t understand how the writers make decisions.

      • Caroline and Klaus should be too problematic and improbable, but that’s not stopping these nutso writers (or fan shippers) either. Bonnie & Damon had a snarky antagonism that many shows *would* turn into a love/hate relationship. But that ship has long since sailed and sunk. Although, if Elena can “love” Damon after he snapped Jeremy’s neck, I suppose anything’s possible? (Except that Bonnie will suddenly have to magically not be black anymore. That’s all that’s really standing in Bamon’s way. :P)

        • (Except that Bonnie will suddenly have to magically not be black anymore. That’s all that’s really standing in Bamon’s way. 😛 )

          Again with the logic!! lol

          I have shipped Bamon (currently writing a fic with them and I have to forget the show to do it) but my feelings toward that are sinking fast. Damon’s treatment of her is sick. At the end of season 1, he truly thanked her for her help. He meant it. That could have been a starting point for them, but then someone else took over the show and was terrified of their chemistry. So we’re left with this. This horribleness. Insulting, offensive mess.

        • Except that Bonnie will suddenly have to magically not be black anymore. That’s all that’s really standing in Bamon’s way. :p

          so true. smh

  5. Hey 2nd scene between Tyler and Bonnie. They were in the kitchen at the end, in the same place at the same time. ;D

  6. So sick of Elena whining about how she’s lost so many people and can’t lose anyone else blah blah lame justification for the love triangle blah blah.

    As if Elena’s the only one who’s suffered loss/death of loved ones? Jeremy, Bonnie, Matt, Caroline, Tyler… pretty sure everyone has. And largely due to Elena’s infatuation with the Salvatores. Indirectly, but it stems from that. So Elena doesn’t get to complain. Shut up, Elena.

    I do love that line when the Salvatores were driving at the end and Damon, I think, said that after Elena’s lifetime they’d go on being brothers and none of this would matter. Ha ha. You mean they’ll just go off and find another human girl to obsess over and Elena will be forgotten? They won’t pine and mourn her for eternity? Awesome. 🙂

    P.S. None of this really matters *now* either.

    P.P.S. I really doubt either of them would stay with Elena til she’s old and wrinkly. Their “love” is not that deep.

    • None of what Alaric was saying to Elena mattered. The show was just throwing around useless meta. Plus Alaric’s ~evil now, so what does he know? Why couldn’t he say this when he was sane?

      Ugh. That car scene can get out.

      P.S. None of this really matters *now* either.

      True words.

      • Aha! That’s why the writers waited until Alaric was evil to put those words in his mouth! Because much of what he says sounds reasonable to us but the writers don’t actually want us to agree with him, so they make his methods evil by torturing fan fav Caroline (again). I know there’s a TV trope about that…what’s it called? When showrunners bash the critical fans by making an Obviously Bad/Wrong character hold the same views. Now we’ll never question Elena’s vampire-loyalty again! Or wonder how she can go against her dead parents, etc. ‘Cause Alaric’s a big meanie.

        Of course they can’t even be consistent about that since they also want to portray Alaric as an awesome badass to be admired, what with the rock music cues while he drags Caroline’s body around and so on. They might as well have used Yello’s “Oh Yeah” song.

        • ALL OF THIS!. I was thinking this while it was happening. why can’t someone else say this to Elena. One of her friends maybe, without them looking like assholes. :\

        • Alaric’s inclusion of Elena’s parents in his speech made me cringe, because I feel like they’re setting him up to be wrong about them.

    • So sick of Elena whining about how she’s lost so many people and can’t lose anyone else blah blah lame justification for the love triangle blah blah.

      Me too. It’s gotten to the point where the longer she keeps the salvatore’s around the more people she knows/loves WHATEVER are gonna die.

      LOL at that line for the Salvatore’s tossing Elena away after. WE STILL BROTHERS LOL! ugh!

      Nope they want Elena’s nubile flesh.

  7. I found the Abby, Bonnie and Damon scene somewhat awkward as well because Bonnie did seem a liitle too chummy with Damon, hell she was pracitcally sitting in his lap, but then I realized could it have been that a bond was formed when Damon gave her his blood to save her life. I’m thinking so because that would be the only reason why Bonnie would seem so comfortable around him. And, now that Damon has Bonnie’s blood in his system they have a complete blood bond, if this was fanfiction they would have f*cked already. lol

    And, did anyone else notice that Stefan didn’t freak out or have blood lust after drinking Bonnie’s blood. I was scared for a moment that he was going to change into the ripper! .

    • “And, now that Damon has Bonnie’s blood in his system they have a complete blood bond, if this was fanfiction they would have f*cked already. lol”

      LOL! True, so true.

      “And, did anyone else notice that Stefan didn’t freak out or have blood lust after drinking Bonnie’s blood. I was scared for a moment that he was going to change into the ripper! ”

      Me, too! I was waiting for him to nut up.

    • That’s a way of putting it… Because Bonnie put up with a lot of Stefan’s antics after she took his blood.

      I have head!canon because of Alta. Vampires can’t really taste/smell witches blood. I wasn’t scare about Stefan’s reaction, just mildly curious thanks to the fic/head!canon.

    • I’d take that if that was a part of the show’s mythology. But I doubt it is. They had a chance to do it back when Stefan fed Bonnie his blood. TVD doesn’t want to be like True Blood, so……Ugh.

      That completely went over my head. This season just needs to end.

  8. I agree. Elena. The Brothers Salvatore. Get over it already!!! Sheesh. A series on its 3rd season should not be about a LOVE TRIANGLE! How trite. How pathetic. That should not be the central driving force. It cheapens the characters the audience should be rooting for and caring about. As much as I’m tired of Alaric, he said some stuff that was dead on about Elena. Her parents would be sickened by her. I can’t even care about her because of her selfishness and her stating it on the porch and owning it only makes me like her even less. They are BROTHERS. If she truly loved either of them let alone both, the last thing she’d want to do is be what drives them apart. As this mess which is clearly not love continues to progress one thing is abundantly clear–Elena has no clue what love is. It’s clear with other relationships, too. Especially with Jeremy and Bonnie.

    I made a little list of pros and cons about last night’s ep. Here it goes… lol

    Pros:
    – Lots of Bonnie in the 1st half. She was fierce and the scenes with Jeremy in the woods left this shipper’s heart hopeful. (Probably misguided, but hey.)
    – Klaus’s attack on the house was hilarious. The march to the porch with the torch and can of propane…Thank you JoMo. LOL
    – Jeremy. His line about having a day without vampires (YES!!!), protecting Bonnie with his hot bod (YES!!!), the tight long sleeved t-shirt that hugged his chest and back (THANK YOU!!!), the way he looked at Bonnie with so much trust when she was doing the spell. All good.
    – Tyler. He’s just hot and he didn’t punk out like he did last season.
    – the Battleship movie trailer with RiRi.
    – Jamie wasn’t in it. After Robert’s recent interview, I just can’t.
    – an Original went down and one ran away.
    – Stefan got to drive the getaway car instead of Damon.
    – Bonnie was included at the after party. (Too bad Tyler never invited her to any of his last season.)
    – It felt like someone else had the reins, as in Plec wasn’t in charge, as in Kevin was back. A definite improvement from the last two eps.
    – The forehead sex.

    Cons:
    – Damon’s attitude with Bonnie. With Bonnie and Abby. It reeks of entitlement and reminds me that he is a product of the antebellum south. I feel that the way he treats her is Plec’s response to Bamon shippers, but it reeks. It’s disgusting. After everything, the lack of respect is appalling and disgusting. I find it reprehensible. He doesn’t treat anyone with the level of apathy that he does Bonnie, considering how he’s quick to use her abilities and for Bonnie to continue to take it makes me…angry isn’t quite the word. I don’t like the subliminal message that goes to race and that huge white elephant in the room that is ignored.
    – Alaric is tied to Elena therefore we can’t get rid of one without the other because according to canon which may change according to whim one witch can’t undo another witch’s spell. In essence, we’re stuck with Alaric and I’m reminded of Twittergate every time I see Matt’s face. (Insert expletive of choice.)
    – The triangle continues to cheapen the show and Elena does not grow or evolve yet she’s the heroine.
    – the Dark Shadows movie trailer. I love Johnny Depp, but Barnabas Collins was a scary SOB. Turning him into Jack Sparrow with fangs is wrong.
    – a simple phone call is all it took to reach Abby. Really? !@#$$%
    – all the lead females have males who have said ILY except Bonnie and I was reminded of that when Tyler dropped ILY on Caroline. I don’t begrudge Care her loving, but it pissed me off that I’m getting that subliminal message crap again.
    – the missed opportunity of a scene with Damon and Bonnie in the woods to explain why she was so easy with him later at the Gilbert house and at the boardinghouse. A few seconds of him rushing in and finding her near death…of him being distraught that SHE could be dead and him biting into HIS flesh to save HER. They couldn’t give us that. It wouldn’t make up for his pompous offer of blood to Abby, but it would have been a little easier to watch. A little, not much. I don’t hate Damon, but as pro-Bonnie, the show makes it hard not to intensely dislike him.

    • the tight long sleeved t-shirt that hugged his chest and back (THANK YOU!!!),

      LOL! Jeremy was flawless in this episode.

      I put Tyler in the “Con” category.

      It felt like someone else had the reins, as in Plec wasn’t in charge, as in Kevin was back. A definite improvement from the last two eps.

      This episode did feel very different. I want to see more from these writers.

      – a simple phone call is all it took to reach Abby. Really? !@#$$%

      I just can’t. I’d rather if Abby wasn’t in this episode. I wish they’d never introduced her.

      I love how you include movie trailers in this review. Lol.

  9. Have to collect my thoughts for this episode but I have two questions in regards to Abby:

    1. As much as I loved that Bonnie/Jeremy scene why wasn´t Abby there. She talked all about the dangers this spell could bring but she wasn´t there with Bonnie to see if she survives it? Weird.

    2. Abby said that the spell almost killed her and she lost her powers … but Bonnie looked fine during and after that spell. What was different here? Is Bonnie already stronger than Abby was 15 years ago or had it something to with the vampires that helped Bonnie but apparently Abby was alone in her fight against Mikael.

    • Or, could it be that with Damon’s blood in her system it made Bonnie stronger in order to do the spell? I’m kind of confused because I read alot of fanfiction so I don’t know if in the show vampire blood would make a witch’s powers stronger. So, I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about! The lines are pretty blurred at this point.

    • Abby was only used to further the plot. That’s it. If they’d been interested in developing her as well as her relationship with Bonnie, we would’ve had a convo between her and Bonnie about her fighting Mikael, and we would’ve found out that she had to take a life to do it.

      The difference is convenience. I need to rewatch the scene, but it seems the only reason Bonnie bound the vampires was so she could feel when they were touching Alaric. In Abby’s case, she lured Mikael out of town and could touch him directly.

  10. I actually liked the episode last night, minus the Elena/Salvatores crap. I heard that KW helped write the episode, but I don’t know if it’s true.

    Even Klaus was dumping on Elena. It was great! Somebody needs to let her know what a problem she really is. Too bad she didn’t die.

    Why isn’t Alaric dead. He’s supposed to be killing all the originals right, yet he is terrorizing the council. What the hell are they going to do besides get killed when they actually try to do something about the vampires and werewolves.

    I don’t really care how Damon was talking to Bonnie. How long has this been going on now? She clearly doesn’t care do why should I. It looks like she kind of likes it.

    I loved Beremy! I hope it’s more to come in the finale. I’m going to hope and predict that Bonnie goes dark.

    Is Caroline a plot device too now? That’s the only reason why Elena went into the school.

    • I don’t think KW helped write it. Caroline Dries did the teleplay, and two new writers penned it.

      I can’t stand how the writers dumped on Elena. Because I already know they’re going to have her do the same thing. So what’s the point?

      I don’t get the point in bringing the Council into it. It’s too late for this crap.

      I don’t really care how Damon was talking to Bonnie. How long has this been going on now? She clearly doesn’t care do why should I. It looks like she kind of likes it.

      *Sigh.*

      I want more too, but I don’t have my hopes up because this show hates characters.

      No one would ever ever ever call Caroline a plot device. Rme.

      • I can’t stand how the writers dumped on Elena. Because I already know they’re going to have her do the same thing. So what’s the point?

        The main character should be treated like this. it’s irresponsible.

  11. I am the odd one out as I still enjoy the Bamon dynamic, but I did enjoy their scenes. As Ian puts it Damon completely lacks logic when it comes to his relationships with those who are not Elena and his hopes are that Damon would finally learn and be bit more “smart”. I guess one problem I had with the Bamon scenes were, when Kevin was still involve we had more back and forth with the sniping remarks, and as of late Bonnie been low on the comebacks.

    Also did not see a problem with her behavior with Abby as she owes Abby nothing and her speech was on point and quite frankly I was happy to hear her speak her mind.

    Bonnie looked to enjoy that dark magic stuff and I say good for her. Let’s hope this leads her somewhere and she is the one beating the crap out of Damon.

    While I liked the Beremy scenes, I still seen hotter from Steven and I still think it was mistake hooking these two up and not going with Jyler like Steven and Michael wanted (cause yes they were aware of the ship in season 1 and were actually down for it). Beremy is cute, but I am over Bonnie having to save her boyfriends, who can not save her. It time for a supernatural love interests, and I don’t care who it is.

    • Hi!

      I realized this from reading another comment, but do you think Bonnie has descended into Elena territory of forgiveness with this Abby think? I think she has because she followed the same pattern. Damon kills Abby, Bonnie’s very sad and hurt and cries, she lets Damon know she’s upset, Damon throws it in her face and doesn’t take her seriously, and then she’s chummy with Damon again, complete with smiles. The only difference to me is that Elena has more of these examples under her belt.

      I wouldn’t have a problem with her speech to Abby if I got the feeling that the writers cared and meant for it to be this way. Bonnie and Abby have had no growth and have made no progress because they do not care. Freakin’ Bill Forbes got more than that with Caroline. I’m wary of ignoring this because it’s usually a hint of how they’ll treat future Bonnie storylines. They did nothing with Abby, and she’s a witch! No angst, no nothing. Bonnie’s dad is a mortal. They put no effort into the magical side of Bonnie’s parentage, how much effort are they going to put into her father?

      You’ve made me realize that I have a history of shipping couples like Beremy. I’m not interested in saving. I ship Clark/Lois from Smallville, and in that pairing Clark has all these powers while Lois is mortal, and he does the saving of people, and he’s saved her a lot. She has saved him sometimes, but mostly she handles herself and kicks ass in her own way. But people are used to that in male/female pairings, so I’ll use another example. Piper/Leo is my OTP in Charmed. Piper did the saving in that couple. She was the hero, and Leo, like Lois for Clark, was there for emotional support, to give her an outlet, to help her bounce ideas, and give her advice, etc. What he brought into the relationship was not the ability to save her the exact way she can save him (physicality and powers and stuff). As a matter of fact, when the show gave Leo powers and started having him do the saving while Piper and her sisters hung back, it got very annoying.

      And Bonnie/Jeremy have that potential, and they’ve shown hints of it. Bonnie has the power, more power than Jeremy, and can save the day all by herself, while Jeremy only has the ability to help save the day. She saved him twice: from Katherine (but he showed competence in actually retrieving the moonstone), and when he died in the season 2 finale. In this episode, he helped her save the day by letting her kill him. But what he brings to her, one of the reasons They still give me feelings even though the show sucks, is because he brings the emotional support, he believes in and is in awe of what she can do, he trusts that she can do it, and he steps back when it’s time for her to do it, even if he hates doing so or he protests. I don’t need him to physically save her, and I do think he needs powers to be able to do so. The most I want where he’s concerned is for him to be like Lois and like Leo, where he has the ability to save/handle himself and others (and he’s done that a couple of times, but the show hates competence so it can’t be consistent), help however he can (he’s done that too, like in this episode), and have a skill or skills of his own (the crossbow/hunter thing).

      I can, of course, ship Bonnie with a supernatural if one comes along, but he needs to bring more than power and the ability to save to the table, because Bonnie can already do both.

      • Well Leo and Piper both saved each other, he in fact saved her more than she him. Leo always had powers but they are equals because I think Piper when he did have powers saved him in a different way. They were equals in a sense hence why it was dangerous for them to be together because of the off spring they create. So we may have to agree to disagree as I was never annoyed when Leo had to save them as it was his job to do so and he also heal others. In fact one of my favorite moments was when Leo saved Piper from her disease and got in trouble. I am too a fan of Lois/Clark (however I do have a place in my heart for Alicia and Clark on the tv series) but it doesn’t matter who Clark in the relationship, he will have to save that person no matter what. So to me comparing Beremy to them is apples and oranges. Clark really has no options, Bonnie (if the writers really want to) does.

        To me Jeremy saving day has in most cases in the show have led to things being worse. He is not her equal on any front and he quite annoy me with alot of his questions in season 2 and I guess I still have issues with the fact he still has more sexual chemistry with Tyler than with any girl, and quite frankly I don’t want Bonnie dating a Gilberts as I am convinced that entire family is bunch if idiots. I get annoyed when Elena wants to save the day because both her and Jeremy suck at it. Is it cute he offers emotional support, yes, but I am over cute and her having to save him all the time, I will like more back and forth and I think we see her and humans do not work (at least for me it does not work) and imo Beremy actually reminds me of Dan and Piper because even when Leo became human, he still was much helpful because his wealth of knowledge of magic.

        Bonnie in no way has gone into Elena territory with Damon, her and Damon had the same problem going on and that is Alaric, whose mission would kill two of her best friends. I was possibly the most upset over Abby as imo the douches did not do enough to avoid it from happening. I did not see her slipping it under the rug nor I think he was the one who smile at her, I did not see her doing it back. That scene with her, Damon and Abby was clearly business and actually most of Bonnie scenes was clearly business and her BAMF.

        • So we may have to agree to disagree

          Yeah, lol. I don’t know how to respond to this other than to say I disagree and pretty much restate what I did before. Except this:

          So to me comparing Beremy to them is apples and oranges. Clark really has no options, Bonnie (if the writers really want to) does.

          What do you mean Clark has no options? About saving people? He does. They brought it up on the show many times.

          • I meant when it comes to the women he dates as in his universe there really is no one who will ever be the same in power yet alone has a power in general because he lives in DC universe or Smallville (imo the show didn’t cover the powers people got from the meteor well or could have been done better), hence Clark has no options but to see people who virtually need saving because he was on a completely different level of species.

            I was not talking about him saving people in general. Of course he had choice in the matter, so does Bonnie which now for her it time to be selfish and eff the world.

            • Also Lois and Clark have been canon for so long and I have to say they are my least favorite Comic book coupling and the universe and dynamics are far too different from TVD to compare the couples.

              I guess if I was to pick what want for Bonnie that could fit TVD universe canon from another canon is Jean Grey/Cyclops from X-Men (not the film coupling however). It was mature and epic relationship that I want for Bonnie and her would be lover.

              • *Gasps* Blasphemy!I love them! And the only comparison I was making (and making with Piper/Leo) is the power dynamic where one person is physically capable of doing more than the other. They have more power. That’s why I ignored the fact that Leo could heal Piper, because he couldn’t vanquish demons like she could. And then when they did give him those kind of powers in season 7, it coincided with Piper and her sisters pretty much becoming lazier about the demon vanquishes and more laid back, and I didn’t like that at all.

                Eh. I’m more into Storm, and I only know Jean Grey and Cyclops from the movies and the 90s cartoon, and I wasn’t too impressed with their coupling.

                • The movies were about Wolverine which is why I hated Last Stand so much , it suck balls because that whole arc was about Cyclops and Jean Grey’s relationship but no let’s make the best storyline from X-Men about Wolverine.
                  I love Jean and Cyclops in the cartoon and they were awesome as hell in the comics and it was about the balance between two partners in a relationship.

                  It hard for me to ignore Leo’s powers as they were big part of Wyatt’s powers and they weren’t really plot device powers, he could not raise the dead, and it was at times tied to his love for Piper. But his elder powers (which I hated they made him an elder, avatar was worst) were so bad ass. I still prefer Leo and Piper as supernatural than human Leo and Witch Piper. I also disagree with him getting powers made the girls lazy, life made them lazy, Phoebe got concerned over getting pregnant and Paige wanted normality. Piper was busy being a mom and dealing with Wyatt who had some made power.

                  • I don’t think I ever saw The Last Stand. I think the first movie was the best, and then I lost interest.

                    I’m talking about writing-wise. They gave Leo all these powers, and simultaneously made the girls lazy as heck. Leo does not work with all those powers. That’s not how his character functions. They promoted his place in the story, and it was a detriment to the girls (the girls started sucking from season 6 onwards too, but okay). Similarly, when TVD tried to make Jeremy drive a supernatural story this season, it completely failed imo. Those ghosts should have been Bonnie’s story and problem to solve while Jeremy dealt with the emotional aspect.

                    • Season 6 was my favorite season of Charmed despite Leo and Piper being broken up. However like I said it wasn’t Leo getting powers is what made the girls get lazy as he barely used them in season 6 (he in fact pretty much served in whitelighter capacity and was much more limited in helping the girls so he wouldn’t be considered bias)…it was in season 7, did he start killing demons but that was after he had been portrayed. The girls got distracted and in most cases selfish in season 6 particularly Phoebe which was pointed out in the season.

                      X-Men 3: The Last Stand was the third movie (if you haven’t seen it, don’t as the continuity errors alone will just kill you). And let’s just say Brett Ratner is an ass hole. I was not impress with how Storm was handle in the films (Storm was a total bad ass), because Fox Studios only cared about Wolverine. My favorite was the 2nd film for X-Men. It had more team work, had a great set up for the 3rd film, that the writers and the director for 3rd failed miserably on.

                    • Seasons 6 and 7 are the seasons I rewatch the least. Season 6 because of Chris and season 7 because of Leo. I just can’t take the girls having the be dragged to vanquishes.

                    • I enjoy the change in dynamic in season 6 and for me it made perfect sense I mean after five years of doing what they did, it made sense they wouldn’t be so gongho about vanquishes but however in their defense, prior to Chris’s arrival the girls never went out to vanquish demons on their own, the demons would normally come to them. Also Chris was more or so doing alot of unimportant vanquishes. I really enjoyed that season finale the most after the season 3 one.

                      Season 7 was a mess, I didn’t mind Leo being off the deep end as that was traumatic for him and sisters unwillingness to help made sense (I mean would you trust the elders whose reply to the Gideon thing was get over it…um.no) but that Avatar business ruined it and Paige annoyed me with the Brody thing and Phoebe’s issues from season 6 carried over. That season did include us seeing grown up Wyatt (I was all for Chris and Wyatt having a spin off, Chris seem to be into the sistas or like some flavor).

            • Oh ok. He technically does have the option as Wonder Woman exists in his universe and there are people who think he should be with her because of the equality in powers thing.

              • I have heard that argument too as someone said he could at least procreate with her as technically Lois carrying Superman’s child would technically kill her.
                I do ship Wonderwoman and Superman in Justice League, most cases she and Lois look alike and Lois in most JL canons, even don’t exist or just is not a factor.

    • Okay when you’re talking about Bamon it’s all coming from Damon’s POV. Can’t you see why it would be problematic for Bonnie to be chummy with him? What if Bonnie saved Damon after killing his brother? Would they still be chummy?

      The fact is that Damon (and Stefan) took Abby away from Bonnie when he had no right. She was reconnecting with her mother. She could have learned all these things from her. Things her grandmother didn’t get a chance to show her. Bonnie lost her mother and a potential mentor, something Bonnie really needs.

      Lets not forget that when Stefan came to her, he made Bonnie thing he would kill her. Also in that moment if it came down to Elena or Bonnie, Bonnie would have been the one to be murdered.

      It’s kinda messed up that they would have Abby come to the Salvatore house. Damon didn’t need to be in the scene to add to Abby’s humiliation. It’s his fault she ran away the second time.

      I mean Jeremy doesn’t have to be a monster to be worthy of Bonnie. I think he could be an actual bad ass “vampire” hunter. I mean if one of the Winchesters wanted to get with Bonnie I wouldn’t say boo (unless it was dean). lol

      • The Winchesters are different and I really don’t see them as humans, haven’t for quite sometime as they are clearly special like Buffy was BTVS and once again we are comparing TVD characters to characters from better universes. And what exactly is being bad ass vampire hunter on tvd mean? Nothing. You guys seem to hate Alaric, who was essentially that and is that right now. Killing dumb ass hybrids who seem to get killed easily is not exactly BAMF in my books because anyone could do it. So again enough with pairing Bonnie with humans, they suck and always under some sort of threat to make Bonnie jump.

        Yes I spoke from Damon POV (which imo what I said was not Damon’s POV, it was Ian’s) as I have been speaking from Bonnie’s POV, to explain from Bonnie fan perspective of why what Damon and Stefan did was bad. I however expected such behavior from Damon, as he has made it known he would throw people under the bus for Elena, and I am still more upset over Stefan’s actions in the matter, as Stefan was the one to make her believe he was going to kill her. I try to look at both sides of the situation and Damon still needs to be smart in his relationships with characters who are not Elena.

        As I said their scenes this episode was clearly just business. She was not being chummy with him all imo. Her scenes were about saving her mom, Caroline, and Tyler (and later on Elena), it had nothing to do with her forgiving Damon and his dumb brother. She enjoy that dark magic so I am hoping she going to start using Damon as her punching bag.

        • So again enough with pairing Bonnie with humans, they suck and always under some sort of threat to make Bonnie jump.

          Okay but Bonnie was flirting with Luka and he died (horribly) despite his powers. Despite Caroline’s powers she is constantly being victimized. Being Supernatural does not mean you’re save from death or humiliation.

          and Damon still needs to be smart in his relationships with characters who are not Elena

          No he doesn’t because people will bend over backwards to placate him. I personally don’t hate time to think about Damon’s feelings. I can’t be bothered. He just does the same thing over and over and I can’t.

          She was smiling at him. I didn’t say she forgave him. I think it’s too much too soon. :X

          • Luka was black and an extra (also a witch and we know JP hates those supernaturals), which is another one of my problems with this show, so that alone does not count. He was brought in plot device purpose and fullfill said plot device before being executed. His death however was an accident.
            Caroline is a Julie Plec so of course she is victimized because the writers want you to feel bad for her (however that has opposite effects on me).
            And did I said it saves you from humiliation and death. No. However, Bonnie won’t be force to do ish because so in such is threatening to break her boyfriend’s or pseudo-bro/lover’s neck.
            I didn’t any smiling at him, in fact she barely looks at him, Damon mostly stares her. Again what are you talking about? It not like she was doing his hair and asking him personal questions. It was about business and quite frankly you sound like you overreacting imo. And they reason why I keep stating he needs to be smarter is because of Bonnie does go dark and evil, he will be shit out of luck when comes to her bending over backwards because quite frankly he has never had someone in he counts on turn their back completely on him (I mean yes we have Dark Alaric but it not really Alaric) and losing Bonnie will be best way to break this group and pull them apart.

            • If nothing counts, then we can’t have a conversation. Bonnie didn’t know Luka was brought in as a plot device and neither did she know he was going to die because he’s Black.

              However, Bonnie won’t be force to do ish because so in such is threatening to break her boyfriend’s or pseudo-bro/lover’s neck.

              We don’t know that. We’re talking about Bonnie. Look at how she was depowered in the middle of this season. Her mother was a supernatural and they found a way to threaten and depower her. Literally the only person Bonnie would be safe with is Damon (or Stefan), because the writers love him so even when they depower him you can bet they’ll make it up to him.

              • None of the plot devices known they are plot devices, lol. They are plot devices because audience sees them so. I am just pointing out the writers were not going to use Bryton McClure at all, other than for stupid triangle dumbness for Beremy and moonstone BS.

                As for who Bonnie be better off with I am just bored by the human dynamic, there no need to jump me for not liking Beremy or Bonnie with humans in general. I don’t like Jeremy, his Gilbert blood ruins him and like I said he shares that same “I am Dumb” gene with Elena (as what makes Elena the worst is she has the Petrova whore gene and Gilbert Gene of Stupidity ergo she is extra toxic).

            • You want Bonnie put with a supernatural being, do you think this show will let her be with one who is a major cast member? They already get Bonnie to do spells to save Elena, to save Caroline. Whether Bonnie’s lover was supernatural or not they would still get threatened, disarmed, put in danger. Jeremy isn’t the token that’s always being used to force her to do spells.

              “Luka” was a guest star.

              Damon’s not going to be “smarter” because the writing will always bend for him.

              It was about business and Damon was rude as hell and begging some pain. You might want to watch the episode again because when she was showing him her phone she smiled at him and then he said something insulting.

              I’ll wait for the day when Bonnie turns her back on this group. I’ll wait. it’s gonna be a while. If she didn’t do it after her Grams death, her mothers and even her own … then IDK what the hell will do it.

              JP/the writers needs Bonnie and witchcraft. But she/they don’t/doesn’t need to respect them apparently or what they do apparently.

              HOLLA!

              • Again it was product placement of course she has to smile, as they are selling you something! duh! lol. Jeremy smiled everytime he bing something in season 2.

              • Also I don’t need to rewatch an episode over because I don’t agree with you on how she behave. I may be a Bonnie stan, I am not some drone who agrees with all Bonnie fans about Bonnie’s behavior. And you comment was just as arrogant and pompous as JP’s are.

          • And if she was smiling that was bad acting on Kat’s part (as she sometimes breaks character in scenes) then but I am being honest I saw no smiles from her. I remember some eye rolling and smirking going but not towards him.

        • You guys seem to hate Alaric, who was essentially that and is that right now.

          Alaric killed one vampire (Logan) and stabbed Elijah. He probably did some other stuff that I’m forgetting, but the way they talk about his past grates because he was not a seasoned vampire hunter. That is retcon, because Logan was portrayed to be his first kill in season 1. That’s my problem with Alaric where the vampire hunter label is concerned. When it comes to Jeremy, he’s definitely shown an affinity for wanting to help and get things done, and he made his first kill with that Hybrid, and he’s shown an affinity for getting information (Tyler back in season 2, and even the tomb thing with Katherine). Of course the show will never let him be an actual vamp hunter because it’s TVD and no one can be better than the Salvatores, so when I talk about that, I talk from what I’ve seen of him on the show and use it for his possible future.

          Killing dumb ass hybrids who seem to get killed easily is not exactly BAMF in my books because anyone could do it.

          Every character on this show becomes a dumbass at one point or another. Including the Originals, which would mean Matt’s little victory in killing Finn doesn’t matter either. “Anyone could do it,” but we haven’t seen “anyone” do it. We’ve seen vampires Damon and Stefan do it, and then Jeremy the human did it. And then Matt took down an Original (with help and planning).

          She was not being chummy with him all imo.

          When I talk about that, I’m talking about how she’s reacting in the background when Damon’s talking to Abby, or heck how she is before Abby shows up. There’s also the scene where she’s doing the product placement with Damon and showing him the phone and she outright looks up at him and smiles before he wipes it off her face with his comment. And of course her face when Damon was talking to Jeremy.

          The thing is, I’ve seen Bonnie be “just business” with Damon before, at a time when she was mad. There was the Lockwood wake in season 2, and there was also the awesome Plan B. I’ll be happy to shut up if they prove me wrong, but judging from that preview, I’m not getting my hopes up.

          • On the Alaric vs Jeremy front…Jeremy actually or at least seem to have learn that stuff from Alaric… due to recent retcon, Alaric has been Jeremy’s mentor.

            Oh there is too much ridiculousness over how The Originals get beat up easily on this show (Kol/Damon) or killed (Finn/Matt). But I was one of those people who felt Matt killing Finn (who was the least harmless) meant nothing. The Hybrids have been portrayed as dumb and easy to kill which is why no one is taking Klaus seriously in the show or off the show. They are only good to move his boxes.

            I saw nothing chummy about those scenes. She seem irritated with him in the mansion and quite frankly had the stfu look on her face. Oh product placement scene, whenever there is one they always have to do some weird ass smile, they are after all trying to sell something.lol. Also Jeremy scene (who again being stupid for the sake of being stupid), I saw no problem, she there to do some business and both guys were being idiotic in that scene, I would have laugh at that ridiculousness if I were her. Now I must make known I do have a problem with these scenes as they should have happen three episodes ago.

            Also in the preview someone mention Bonnie had that weird smile she got when was tapping into black magic. I am trying to be cautiously positive for once (which means very very very very very very very very etc. low expectations) ofr the season finale. However I have already made the decision I will no longer watch TVD regularly. I just Bonnie clips on youtube as JP has the knack for setting up great storylines and effing it up when execution takes place.

  12. Also Jeremy is just as ungrateful as the rest of them. Yes I get he was compelled and that whole ghost anna storyline was BS (however I would like to argue had it been Vicki instead of Anna, for me that would have been believable that he would throw relationship away for Vicki). but the writers were not invested Beremy, hence why I never could get into them. Writers are clearly not invested Jamie and Bonnie either hence why I get deja vu in their scenes.

    BTW I do enjoy your podcast despite my anti-Beremy dislike (which I state has more to do with me liking Jyler than being a Bamon fan, which I am barely one of those anymore).

    • Thanks! Looking at how the show writes Damon and especially after the Abby thing, if I didn’t hop off the Bamon train at the end of season 2, I would’ve hopped off many times over since that time. It’s actually easier for me to take Damon when I’m not shipping them. That way I can just be upset over the Abby thing because of Damon’s (and Stefan’s) idiocy and lack of caring as an individual, what it does to the Bonnie character and the writers’ incompetence, instead of also having to work it into shipping. *Sigh.*

      • I was still on the Bamon train as season 2 led me to only not give DE a try as a couple because despite his douche comment in 2×18 about letting Bonnie die for Elena, his behavior towards Elena was worst. And I have always said I would not take this Damon for any of girls right now.

        I am only leaving Bamon train as right now any cool Bonnie relationship, is just a crack thing at best. So I am a supporter of Bamon in fanfiction if that makes sense.

        I am also against Beremy as they actually have potential to procreate and like I said Gilberts have stupid genes that I do not want the Bennett line to mix into.

        • So I am a supporter of Bamon in fanfiction if that makes sense.

          Makes perfect sense. Canon tends to suck.

          I am also against Beremy as they actually have potential to procreate and like I said Gilberts have stupid genes that I do not want the Bennett line to mix into.

          Smh.

          • Canon for TVD sucks in general. The plot makes no sense so all I can hope is Bad Bonnie or some evil God/Demon who wants to make Bonnie his queen. but I don’t write this show so sigh (cause if I did no one would be stupid).

  13. I just looked at Cana’s tumblr. Was Bonnie really wearing Elena’s clothes for most of the ep? If so, that might explain a lot of what people are complaining about js 😉

    • *waves* Hey Susan!

      She had to change into something and she was at the Gilbert’s house. I don’t think she keeps clothes there.

      If so, that might explain a lot of what people are complaining about js

      *is dumb* I don’t get it

    • Yeah, she had to have been wearing Elena’s clothes because 3.21 happened the day after 3.20 (which makes Bonnie’s behavior with Damon even more strange and Elena-like), and she never went home. She changed in Elena’s house.

      I’m with Cana; I don’t understand.

      • lol. I was imagining those clothes infecting her with Elena’s essence and that is why she was smiling blankly at her mother’s murderer in those pics I keep seeing. Elena infected her brain, guys.

        • I had this thought too and then Damon was being extra with her because she smelled like Elena and had the hair like her too. I bet putting the clothes on straightened her hair. I wonder if she had on Elena’s sneakers too? I feel like Bonnie’s feet are smaller than Elena/Caroline’s.

          They could have had Jamie (who was compelled by Abby who could be sired by Damon) arrange some mind altering herbs in Bonnie’s house that make her more palpable and open to vampire/supernatural suggestion. BUT WHEN YOU PUT ON THE CLOTHES OF THE DOPPELGANGER! DUN DUN DUN!

          *le sigh*

          • I bet putting the clothes on straightened her hair.

            Lol!

            Bonnie’s everything is smaller than Elena/Caroline’s, but those clothes fit her perfectly. Lol.

  14. I thought the ep was alright. But the Caroline/torture, Bonnie/Damon/Abby (also the line “If you are so upset with me, why did you feed me your blood to save my life?” D-:) and Triangle parts were terrible.

    Haha, when Klaus was looking around the Gilbert neighbourhood, I thought, “Oh no, now he’s going to start to kill the neighbours.” and then, “Oh no, these poor neighbours. These people don’t care about other people getting killed.” And then all he did was throw a football. Oh, Klaus. I really enjoyed all of the scenes with Klaus in front of the Gilbert house. I agree, Alta, an episode of Klaus trapping them in the house would have been good. It would’ve also been a good opportunity to have the characters interact more with each other and address some the conflicts within the group. It could have been great.

    It’s kind of funny to me. Their goal was to get rid of Alaric in this ep – and instead they ended up getting rid of Klaus. Lmao. But in a way it was kind of fitting? After a season of them trying to kill Klaus and failing constantly, them getting rid of Klaus was a bit of a lucky accident.

    Also lol at Klaus’ non-saving saving Caroline and telling her to go home. So bizarre.

    “60 yrs from now, none of this will have mattered.” Ugh. So, what is it, show? Is their love for Elena epic and super special or is it not? But after watching the preview for the finale, I was wondering if this line has sth to do with the possibility of Elena turning. Like, their ~special brotherhood might survive this because Elena is mortal – but oh no, what if Elena becomes immortal? What about their brotherhood then? rme
    And didn’t JP say that this Salvatore scene was her favourite scene in the ep? Or one of her favourite scenes? She seems to love the worst scenes. I bet she loved the “60 years from now” line.:/

    Having said that, I actually enjoyed the car scene before they talked about Elena/the triangle. Idk. It was a nice brotherly scene without them being all “brother, oh brother”.

    Oh, and the weirdest thing in this ep was Elena painting the room, lol. Like, there is this moment where her whole body is turned towards either Stefan or Jeremy but she’s still painting the window frame.

    • also the line “If you are so upset with me, why did you feed me your blood to save my life?”

      Bonnie’s never sounded so pathetic. I hated it.

      but oh no, what if Elena becomes immortal? What about their brotherhood then? rme

      Ugh.

      She seems to love the worst scenes.

      Lmao! I think she did say it was her favorite scene. It’s funny to think the synopsis said the Salvatores would have a very candid talk about the future, and all they said was that one would leave town if Elena chose the other. Wow.

      Like, there is this moment where her whole body is turned towards either Stefan or Jeremy but she’s still painting the window frame.

      I didn’t notice that, lol.

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