Co-hosts: Cana and Olu
Cana, Olu, and I tackle every character in this episode. Every. Character. And Olu explains how the Caroline character exemplifies how bad the show is with storytelling and pacing.
Quotes of the Podcast: “It was the worst thing I’ve had the pleasure of watching, no wrong word, the misfortune to put myself through since the last time I watched The Vampire Diaries. So I guess judging it on that scale….it was just another Thursday. But judging it on a separate scale, it was particularly worse than usual.”-Olu
“Did everyone come to the dance on time that they didn’t see this woman pouring salt?-Me
“About Klaus, he looked like he was about to unleash some slaves. That hair was the worst, and that white cotton suit…..that was horrible.”-Cana
“Stefan’s acts have no influence on Caroline’s opinion of him. Stefan nearly killed Elena earlier this season. Stefan has killed two of her classmates, at least, this season. Stefan disappeared for the summer to be a murderous, rampaging looney tune. And that has no effect on Caroline’s opinion of him. Stefan still deserves a chance; it’s like the bachelor. Damon, meanwhile, did attack her father. But Damon has also saved her life, saved Elena’s life, saved Bon—Basically Damon is in no worse a position than Stefan. […..]. Even though you could say that what happened in season 1 is what has her still against [Damon], she doesn’t act with disgust against Damon. And Caroline’s the show. The show doesn’t change its opinion about Stefan. The show doesn’t change its opinion about Damon.”-Olu
Plus short outtakes from the recording! Episode 79 Outtakes
Just Another Judicious Podcast 
lol. On the one weekend I have a social life
Songspin, I know you want to do it
One day!
The deed is done. Cana and Olu co-hosted with me.
What I really dislike about TVD is that the story has no continuity. I started to watch the show on the semptember this year, but just s3. Than in the winter holiday I watched it from s1 to s3.
I think that the next episode should be melted in the previous episode. Like in the Ghost World; I was expecting people to talk about the ghosts or the whole ghost episode to continue in 3×08 too. Even if it was just about only 10 minutes in it. And as you said do the characters even talk to each other? It’s really strange. Maybe the reason that they won’t
‘bind’ the episodes is the audince. Maybe they assume that if a new person sees 3×18 for the first time and doesn’t even know the show before would understand it and give it a chance. Maybe they assume that if the writters will put Caroline say ‘Damon used me as his toy last year.How can you make up with him?’ the new audince would be to lazy enough to go on internet and watch the whole show to see what is Care talking about.
And if that’s true I think it’s wrong. I watched the episodes(waiting for them to appear every week) only from the 3×10 and I’ve been boycotting since 3×15. The story should be like a full circle: it should have things happen that could be guessed from 1×09. It should all be put together like a…show. I know the new audince ‘might’ not be interested but the show is losing fans because of the plot and of the character’s treatment.
it should have things happen that could be guessed from 1×09. It should all be put together like a…show.
Yes. The lack of character continuity, let alone plot continuity on this show kills me, and it seems to be getting worse. Just because the characters remember their goal from one episode to the next, doesn’t mean there’s continuity.
You’re right that the ghost story did not continue from Ghost World to Ordinary people. There’s no cool down period for this show, just jump right to the next plot. Jeremy and Matt missed the episode. Bonnie was in it, but she only spoke about Jeremy. Not her grandmother whom she finally saw again. Caroline wasn’t in the episode, which further limited the things Bonnie could talk about since Elena wasn’t there when Bon saw Sheila again. And actually you just made me realize something, why did we jump from Caroline being present and telling Bon that Jer kissed Anna, to her talking to Elena about? That’s ridiculous.
Oh please have a permanent co-host. I can’t stop laughing
Lol. Oh Lord, that could be complicated, depending on who it is. Either one of these two would be awesome co-hosts, but they sometimes skip episodes to watch later and I wouldn’t want to force them to keep up with this show, lol. Anyone else, eh I’d have to have talked to them a lot before……………Are you volunteering? Lol.
omg. I think I am actually done with the show. Actually, I think the show is done with me. It is not for us Alta! This show is too dumb for us. It is too dumb for most people. It is not entertaining or fun for me. I am not interested in any of the characters anymore so I wouldn’t have anything to say really. If I co-hosted, every other sentence out of my mouth would be “Ugh! What was that?” I would much rather spend my TV time watching Real House Wives of Atlanta/Beverly Hills and Mob wives. Remember when I used to doubt myself because I sensed an intelligence mismatch? It turns out it isn’t me, it is them. I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears while I was watching this ep. Every scene was terrible. It boggles my mind that this script must have been reviewed by more than one person before it was filmed. Wow. I wish it was at a level that could be called mediocre. I will continue to listen to your podcasts because they are entertaining but I can’t with the show. I haven’t watched the ep before this and I have no desire to. If I do watch an ep, it will be because you have deemed it to be a good Bonnie ep.
I can’t even add anything. This is what constantly goes through my mind, only I’m waiting to be finished with this show. The most frustrating part is that it doesn’t have to be like this. The show is only in its 3rd season! It’s still a new show! They shouldn’t be this deprived of creativity so damn soon. This is not season 5 or 6. But how can they be creative when they have no love for their characters? They’d have to take their characters and actors seriously first.
Something I forgot to mention in the podcast is the crapness of Stefan “meaning to” apologize to Bonnie and then thanking her while Damon shows his ass and is cavallier. And like that, our good brother/bad brother dichotomy continues.
I’m reading the JP interviews and rolling my eyes. How many adjectives for “badass” did she fit into her response about Alaric? And then she managed to slip in tragedy. The way she talks about this show is a mess. She talks about this show like…fan opinion is overwhelmingly in favor of what’s going on the show. Which, even if shippers are happy, isn’t the case. Most of the people who I know who watch the show think it is horrible and ridiculous and inconsistent.
“But there’s still always going to be a concern of consequences for cheating death one too many times. It might just not come in the form of a Jekyll and Hyde alter ego.”
Why didn’t they just decide that the ghosts were the consequence of coming back from the dead more than once? They could have made the decision that seeing ghosts was the consequence for Jeremy and then actually thought about what the consequences for Bonnie would have been. Remember at the end of s2 when, everyone, even a few people who didn’t care about Bonnie, was like “If the consequences of Bonnie bringing Jeremy back are him cheating on her or her loosing him to Vicki or Anna that will be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen?”
I feel a bit bad for Julie Plec though. In most interviews, the article presents her answers as “Vague spoilery talk”, teases Plec and I can’t help but imagine her giggling in an overly pleased manner whenever I read the word “teases” and that isn’t her fault.
“We knew he needed to be stronger, or as strong, resilient, immortal, fast, furious, fierce,” Plec says of the “ironic” decision to turn a vampire-hater into an Original vampire.
This sounds horrible. This sounds like a horrible idea. They could have done this to literally any newb on the street then if it’s that easy to do it. Anyway, shouldn’t they have learned their lesson, from how longwinded and pointless this season has been, about creating anything “indestructible”? How, exactly, is Alaric meant to die after he completes his task? Especially since it seems he’s going to be taking his”now the idiots in this town can make feeble attempts to kill me” time to torture Caroline?
He’s going to be hardcore, which is going to be equally exciting and devastating because he’s one of our heroes who is no longer one of our heroes.
O___o (I can’t even get started on how ridiculous it is to call these characters “heroes”. These characters aren’t even trying to be heroes within the text. They are trying to save their own asses. They say it almost every time they open their mouths. With the exception of Bonnie, but Bonnie helps them so…I don’t know. What can one do with the way the writing is.)
They aren’t going to be concerned for Jeremy. They’re not going to remember about the rings next season.
No wonder Nina wants Elena to throw both Salvatores over and flounce off to Europe.
I can’t believe it’s season three and her decision is a main plot line.
JP’s interviews make me want to knock my head against a wall because that would make more sense than her words.
Esther had her plan and she carried it through and I appreciate that.
What’s weird is…we know there’s a spell to kill Klaus. Bonnie was supposed to use it at the end of last season, right?
We spent about 20 episodes last season convinced that there was a sun and a moon curse.
Was the sun/moon curse real before they thought up Elijah being Klaus’s brother? Do you think that was the case?
If Klaus bites Alaric with a wolf bite shouldn’t that take Alaric out of the picture?
Alaric’s ring became part of the indestructible stake.
Hating vampires didn’t make Mikael stronger. And the ring melting doesn’t say much for how indestructible the stake is going to be.
They’re all black! Of course the witches are sisters.
I think they’ve had characters suffering from worse bites. Vicki was bitten a lot by Damon with a lot less care or with a similar amount of ruthlessness, at least.
“Don’t you dare mention your name!” Okay. I guess her anger is legit.
What does she mean “she’s as bad as Klaus”? Klaus has only killed like four people and only one of those people had anything to do with Elena or the show.
There’s never been a point for anything this season.
I like the idea of witches putting failsafes in their spells to avoid consequences being visited on them, and I also like the idea of nature creating the consequence. Like it taking longer for the rings to work? That could be the body rejecting life in this weird backwards way where it resists healing. Nature comes in and goes, “Death is important.” And what you said about compulsion? That would actually be a brilliant thing to observe over the course of a season, as long as it was explored on different levels. So someone, Matt or Jeremy, since they’re the only ones left really, gets compelled to forget their grief and that makes them colder or zanier or more prone to falling apart over the smallest thing and then they get compelled to forget and they start remembering the most random things or forgetting everything. And then the compulsion goes further and for one character, over the course of the season basically gets taken through emotional and psychological hell because of compulsion and this is the underlying thread of the story, not the actual story, if that makes sense.
Matt certainly doesn’t die very often and he’s been alone about a half a dozen times with three different Originals.
Death means nothing on this show.
How is Esther able to do this and Gloria wasn’t?
I knew she was lying about dying. She just wanted to mess with Rebekah.
“Let the witches preserve your body.” Um? He knows that she wants him to die terribly. All the time. Every day. Why won’t he just throw her into a river?
She talks about this show like…fan opinion is overwhelmingly in favor of what’s going on the show.
And like they do manage to surprised everybody.
Remember at the end of s2 when, everyone, even a few people who didn’t care about Bonnie, was like “If the consequences of Bonnie bringing Jeremy back are him cheating on her or her loosing him to Vicki or Anna that will be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen?”
Yup. And JP thinks we don’t see this crap coming. You’re right that the ghosts could’ve been a consequence of cheating death. Kind of like you gain a permanent foot in the dead world.
I feel a bit bad for Julie Plec though. In most interviews, the article presents her answers as “Vague spoilery talk”, teases Plec and I can’t help but imagine her giggling in an overly pleased manner whenever I read the word “teases” and that isn’t her fault.
LOL! Having watched some of the producer’s previews, I imagine the happy/proud tone.
How, exactly, is Alaric meant to die after he completes his task?
Isn’t he supposed to just drop dead at the end? I feel there’s an important reason we’re not sure of the answer. Why are they so damn concerned with invincibility? Remember when there was a caveat to Bonnie gaining the witch powers? So if I have this straight: they feel Bonnie having a lot of powers makes her less relatable and less human, but the Originals can exist and now Ric can exist as someone who’s stronger than the Originals. It makes all of the sense.
because he’s one of our heroes who is no longer one of our heroes.
What.is.this? What is it? It’s not like Alaric has decided to go fight the good fight in Denver. He’s been turned into a killing machine.
JP’s interviews make me want to knock my head against a wall because that would make more sense than her words.
Lmao.
What’s weird is…we know there’s a spell to kill Klaus. Bonnie was supposed to use it at the end of last season, right?
I think it’s more a method than a spell. She needed the power from the burial ground to give the spell the boost it needed to be effective against Klaus. And yeah, that option is still there, but everyone’s stupid, including the dead witches, so they’re going in another direction. Like I said once, the first plan is the only one that hasn’t gotten the chance to fail. Bonnie never gave it her all.
We spent about 20 episodes last season convinced that there was a sun and a moon curse.
Continuity! How could I forget? It’s so poetic.
Was the sun/moon curse real before they thought up Elijah being Klaus’s brother? Do you think that was the case?
Yep, I think it was real. What makes me think that, aside from the fact that they said it was fake in the same episode Elijah revealed Klaus is his bro, is that they never went back and explained why there are so little werewolves. As a matter of fact, the vamp/were conflict has completely disappeared. The werewolves being almost extinct has completely disappeared.
If Klaus bites Alaric with a wolf bite shouldn’t that take Alaric out of the picture?
…………..Yes. And now I want to cry. What do they talk about in the writers’ room? Someone could’ve asked this damn question. Instead they go back and forth over what? Something about Elena’s choice or some crap? Oy.
Hating vampires didn’t make Mikael stronger. And the ring melting doesn’t say much for how indestructible the stake is going to be.
No it did not. Mikael wasn’t even that strong. He was just regal.
“Don’t you dare mention your name!” Okay. I guess her anger is legit.
No it ain’t, lmao.
What does she mean “she’s as bad as Klaus”? Klaus has only killed like four people and only one of those people had anything to do with Elena or the show.
She doesn’t know. Michael Narducci doesn’t know, and he actually wrote the episode.
It makes sense. *Sigh.* I don’t know if I’ve ever said that in regards to what happens with the plot of the show.
Matt certainly doesn’t die very often and he’s been alone about a half a dozen times with three different Originals.
Word.
How is Esther able to do this and Gloria wasn’t?
The plot dictated. Gloria was in a different movie, since every ep is a movie.
Making Klaus smart is not even on the writers’ list of priorities.
…………..Yes. And now I want to cry. What do they talk about in the writers’ room? Someone could’ve asked this damn question. Instead they go back and forth over what? Something about Elena’s choice or some crap? Oy.
That’s because if someone tries to come into the conversation with logic they get a get glare. They think the audience isn’t smart enough to think up things like this.
Holy crap Tyler could take out Alaric with a bite. lol smh
JP’s interviews make me want to knock my head against a wall because that would make more sense than her words.
Accurate!
If Klaus bites Alaric with a wolf bite shouldn’t that take Alaric out of the picture?
They’re all black! Of course the witches are sisters.
Oop!
Hey Olu, what if Stefan’s compulsion made him a ripper? Could happen. They’ll never say though.
Klaus wants to die that’s why he’s keeping Esther around.
what if Stefan’s compulsion made him a ripper
I definitely think it was a factor. How so, I’m not so sure because the show hasn’t told us enough about compulsions continued effects, depending on what the goal of the compulsion actually was. I also think that Lexi’s “help” was a factor in Stefan’s whole ripper thing, but I also reject the idea of Stefan as a “ripper” (coining a term for one sole character to describe a type of vampire is dumb especially if they are the only one we’ll meet) at least the way the writers went about telling the story is a sloppy mess more focused on gore than character development.
Whoa. Whoa. I’ve never thought of Stefan’s compulsion as a possible factor for him being a Ripper. Because this show is good at keeping Stefan’s different experiences separate instead of making them into something coherent. But Stefan could’ve been an example of what happens to a human who is continuously under compulsion, even though his worked different from Jeremy’s. His was closer to Caroline’s. Just how many months did Katherine have Stefan basically suppressing his abject fear of her?
coining a term for one sole character to describe a type of vampire is dumb especially if they are the only one we’ll meet
Yes.
the story is a sloppy mess more focused on gore than character development.
Yes!
this show is good at keeping Stefan’s different experiences separate instead of making them into something coherent. But Stefan could’ve been an example of what happens to a human who is continuously under compulsion, even though his worked different from Jeremy’s. His was closer to Caroline’s. Just how many months did Katherine have Stefan basically suppressing his abject fear of her?
I’d not considered how the show separates Stefan’s experiences instead of looking at them together to get a sense of who he is. We as viewers may say, Katherine and Lexi are pretty similar in how they treat Stefan. It’s just that their goals are different. But the show doesn’t set it up that way. So Katherine is bad and Lexi is good. And their actions get their classifications because of this.
Ugh! Yes. I think it would have been an interesting idea to suggest that Katherine’s compulsion, because of the conflict it created between what Stefan felt and what he was able to express factored into who he became when he became a vampire. And it wouldn’t have to take the blame off of him, but would at least suggest that writers remembered that in s1, Stefan talked about how long it took him to get over what Katherine did to him. How ever he internalized that having an effect on who he is as a vampire would make sense. I just repeated myself. I should probably go to sleep.
So Katherine is bad and Lexi is good. And their actions get their classifications because of this.
Yup. Not only that, but there was no link made between Katherine compelling Stefan and Klaus compelling Stefan. Klaus compelling Stefan in the 20s was made very impersonal (for Stefan). And while they gave Stefan a vendetta against Klaus (a vendetta that is now forgotten because Stefan is better than Klaus or some bull), they made it very generic. Klaus took everything from Stefan. Actually, never mind. It’s not generic at all. It’s about Elena, and that’s been clear many times. But they could’ve made it about the compulsion. They could’ve said that for the first time Stefan not only has the opportunity to fight back against someone who compelled him, but he has enough rage to act on it. So going after Klaus could’ve served as catharsis for Klaus compelling him in the present, Katherine doing it in the past, and Lexi torturing him over and over. And it would be like he never, could never, get out of victim mode with Katherine. Maybe because she was the first, maybe because the feelings of being in love with her messed him up (because she never uncompelled him from being in love with her. Just like Jeremy has never been compelled or uncompelled to remember how Vicky died. Same for Matt, etc), the point is he never felt strong or competent enough to strike back at her. This sense of revenge and catharsis could’ve been the perfect reason for him to deny Klaus’ friendship and be unaffected by his memories of their brotherhood in the 20s. Because he was working off of the rage from the present, and Katherine and Lexi were mixed up in there too. And now I’m wondering…..if this had happened and it had culminated in Stefan being the one to (savagely) kill Klaus, would it be a good way to get him to never rip again instead of this “I’ve accepted myself” crap? Because they could effectively tie his problems with blood into all of this, going all the way back to Katherine. His problem of a lack of control with Katherine manifesting in a lack of control with blood and getting worse because of Lexi. He took pleasure in it and reinforced it because it shouldn’t be forgotten that Stefan does enjoy going on a bender. It could’ve been one long episode of ptsd. And it would also invite us into Stefan’s journey, because he once said it took him a long time to figure out what Katherine did to him, but we’d see that he hadn’t necessarily gotten over it.
I WANT THIS! 😥 *grabby hands* I’VE ALWAYS WANTED THIS! 😥
And then when everything settled Stefan could be this fuller version of himself and he’d be settled a little more in his skin. I’m not saying he’d be perfect or even well adjusted maybe just more self aware and able to relax a little bit.
And then when it comes to the triangle (womp womp) Stefan would fall away from Elena giving room for Damon to make his move. Meanwhile Stefan’s hanging out with Bonnie in a less douchey way and they are both planning the destruction of Klaus – who has no siblings and doesn’t paint ponies …>_>
And then when everything settled Stefan could be this fuller version of himself and he’d be settled a little more in his skin. I’m not saying he’d be perfect or even well adjusted maybe just more self aware and able to relax a little bit.
Exactly.
I wasn’t even thinking about the triangle. I don’t curr.
I’m going to go cry in a corner because this isn’t what happened or what is going to happen. If this had happened it would have tied together with s1 and even s2, Stefan’s reaction to Katherine could have been actually re-conceptualized, not at dismissive, even though it was, but as the only sort of power he could see himself having over her. Now he can decide what he feels and it doesn’t matter to her (even though it does and that is, what she gives him, whether she intends to or not, is the ability to call her a monster. To call her what he couldn’t call her in 1864) but he can say it. He can say “I hate you” and have it be all that he has against her. And I agree with Cana that, if Stefan had killed Klaus in the context of this story, he would probably be able to let go of a lot of his issues. Not all of them. Katherine didn’t put a desire and an enjoyment of killing in him and he’d still have to own that, but he could probably be a lot calmer about it without all of these stalkers/”lovers” from his past (because Lexi, whether their relationship was sexual or not, is posed as a savior figure “I can make him a better man”) are finally gone.
This storyline would involve, by necessity a lot more character exploration. Which is what this show needs.
Alaric is a original now right. I messed that part in the episode. So a werewolf bite wouldn’t kill him Elijah told Elena in the “Klaus” episode that a werewolf bit couldn’t kill a original. But that was season 2 so it probably doesn’t count.
I forgot Elijah said that. Because most of what Elijah said got retconned. Klaus isn’t a simple werewolf though, he’s a Hybrid. *Sigh.* They could’ve clarified this. It kind of makes no sense that a werewolf bite can’t kill an Original because werewolves existed before vamps. Esther could’ve made it part of her spell since it was a werewolf that killed Henrik, but…..*Sigh.*
I’m with Susan. I think the show is done with me too. That’s really how it is. It’s really astonishing how this show has destroyed every single thing I once found enjoyable about it. *throws up hands* I’ll watch the final 2 episodes, though. But ugh, *two* episodes. I wish the finale was airing next week and that would be the end of this horrible season.
Remember how hopeful we all were before S3 started that things might get back on track? Sigh.
In a way, I’m not even surprised that JP said that. I mean, this is the woman who says “Team Salvatore” whenever she is asked about the triangle. Elena who? And I think there was a tweet where she wrote, when asked about the brothers, that ~at the moment they both attach happiness to being with Elena or something like that. /side-eye
I remember KW saying in one of his few interviews during S3 that the show is in its third season and they don’t expect to gain new viewers and that by now they are doing it for the fans. I wonder if that is one of the reasons why the show is now like bad fan fiction and increasingly feels as if it was written as a direct response to the online fandom.
I have no idea why I should be rooting against Esther’s plan to kill all vampires. Killing all vampires sounds pretty good to me.
“The further the characters get away from S1, the more they becomes caricatures of themselves. The character that suffers from that the least is Damon.” Yes!
Remember how hopeful we all were before S3 started that things might get back on track? Sigh.
When we thought it couldn’t get worse than the horrible storytelling of the second half of the season, being tired of Katherine, the time-waster that was the moonstone, etc? We didn’t know that Klaus, coffins, 1001 ways to kill Klaus, and Stefan’s Ripper storyline was in our future. Can season 4 really be worse than this? Is it possible? It’s honestly fascinating to imagine.
~at the moment they both attach happiness to being with Elena or something like that. /side-eye
Ugh. And when she and KW talk about not wanting people to hate Elena, it’s only ever in reference to the triangle. They don’t want Delena to hate Elena and they don’t want Stelenas to hate Elena. It’s never in reference to Elena’s friendships or the kind of sister she is.
I remember KW saying in one of his few interviews during S3 that the show is in its third season and they don’t expect to gain new viewers and that by now they are doing it for the fans.
Why would you ever say that? I don’t understand the logic.
It sounds good to me too. It sounds good to the Trio and everybody in their crew. The only people they want to save are the Salvatores. They don’t care about each other, so why should I be up in arms when Esther doesn’t care about them?
Can season 4 really be worse than this? Is it possible? It’s honestly fascinating to imagine.
it can always get worse. Always
It will be so painful that it will break me.
I enjoyed the podcast once I got the hang of it. You ladies are silly! lol Some of your comments really made me think about the Klaroline angle and just how stupid it is. I mean, really. It’s dumb. There’s no strategy…nothing to gain from their coupling. Not to mention it defines any kind of logic to understand what Klaus would see in Caroline. Don’t get me wrong. I like s2 Caroline bunches. She def tops Elena in my book (s2 Caroline/can’t speak for s3 cuz I’m behind on some eps). But all my liking her aside, she’s not all that. I think the same about Elena and the Salvatore mess, but since that’s a writer living out her fantasy onscreen I don’t even feel like addressing it now.
Okay, back to Klaus…it would make more sense for him to go after Bonnie, strategy-wise. Instead of the crap with the ghosts to bust up Jeremy, it would have been more compelling storywise for Klaus to see having Bonnie as his Plan B. I’m not a Bonnie/Klaus shipper at all. I’m looking at this from a strategic Original vampire’s point of view. What could have started at as a ploy to just get her away from the Elena Team could have ended up with him truly falling for her.
Yeah, Plec would never let this happen, but that would have been more interesting than the current Klaroline triangle with Tyler missing for most of it.
Other stuff…Esther annoys me. I don’t like her using the Bennett line to do her bidding. I don’t like Bonnie being used at all. I hated that she did any spells for them at the dance and I especially hated that Esther sent her out there as Alaric’s personal buffet. The subliminal message that is being sent with how Bonnie is written truly pisses me off.
This brings me to Beremy. Okay, I have a confession. I did it. I rewatched the ep. After listening to the podcast, I was curious. During the live broadcast, I saw a lot a red because the whole thing annoyed me so to be “fair” I rewatched. I did my Steven R. wrong. He slipped in a little Beremy action. It was quick and you can’t blink, but it was there. It’s right when he first sees Bonnie with her stepbrother. He gives them a look. Yeah, I’ll take my Beremy anyway I can get ’em. Thank you, Steven R. You stud muffin you!
Bonnie and Jaime or is it Jamie? Which version is male and which is female? Help! lol Anyway, what makes them suck as a couple is that there was no development. Everything major that happens to Bonnie happens offscreen. It’s bad writing and sends an even worse message.
I can’t even read the Plec interviews. I wish she would stop.
I enjoyed the podcast once I got the hang of it.
Yay!
If they were interested in Klaus being strategic, the Hybrid mess would be tighter than it is and we probably wouldn’t have had pony-drawing Klaus. They failed the character as a villain. Right now everyone’s wondering why the group wants Klaus dead. The Oak Tree struck more fear in Klaus’ heart than our “heroes.” I think the only other thing that had him worried was Bonnie back in season 2.
The subliminal message that is being sent with how Bonnie is written truly pisses me off.
Ugh. I can’t.
Yeah, I’ll take my Beremy anyway I can get ‘em. Thank you, Steven R. You stud muffin you!
Lmao. I saw the look in gifs people made in tumblr. They did a close-up of Jeremy’s face. I’d say Kat slipped a little reaction in there too. And I must say, I read an interview once where Kat was asked if there was any hope of Bonnie going back to Jeremy. She said something about how Bonnie needed someone who was on her level. I bet she wasn’t expecting Jaime. *Sigh.*
Anyway, what makes them suck as a couple is that there was no development.
Yup. And it’s not even that there was no development of them as a couple. There’s been no development of Jaime was a character.
I feel like the stake shouldn’t work on the original Hybrid. You don’t stake werewolves.
“They are confusing the vampires with witches”
Cause they really want to make this a magical witch show … just without Bonnie. I mean they are stealing everything from the witches and Bonnie’s story already. They are cannibalizing the Bennett’s …
I don’t understand. Esther uses the word “Sisters” implying they are family … WHY NOT JUST HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER BE THERE FOR BONNIE? Why not have Grams or Ayanna or Emily be Bonnie’s advocate. Have a member of each line to represent for their family. Esther to take car of her family and a Bennett to look out for their own, Because Esther is obviously not looking out for Bonnie’s best interest. “Sisters” 🙄
I get what you mean about Jeremy now. I think he’d rather risk his mortal life than have his mind messed with again, via the ring or another bout of compulsion. I don’t understand how Stefan can be okay with Jeremy being compelled. That should take him back to all the times he was. And he should be side-eyeing Elena for compelling her brother. It’s basically the same as with Katherine, only Elena’s using Damon to compel her family members, because she can’t do it herself. Katherine/Elena parallel!
I do a lot of laughing to keep from crying.
Why don’t they turn Esther into a vampire? There should be made a special hell for Esther. After all this mess, Bonnie should bind Esther. Bot only for messing with her family line not for Esther trying to clean up her vampire mess.
Caroline is usually wearing red at dance functions.
Olu cracks me up.
Klaus was near tears when he was talking to/dancing with Caroline.
Jeremy was at the dance but he wasn’t even dancing. He didn’t even have a date … unless you count Matt. So many people shouldn’t have been at that dance. Bonnie, Jeremy, Klaus … doesn’t Matt work anymore?
Klaus was Colonel Sanders realness.
Caroline is now the “Bonnie” of the girl’s friendship. Remember when Bonnie was Elena’s best friend as well as Caroline’s and it seemed like Caroline and Elena weren’t as close?
Break it Down Oul! “the most emotional moment of the season”
“This show can’t melt medal if its jewlery.” lol
We’ve never seen a witch destroy any life force.
Esther is the only witch to still be around with after being killed. I mean with her body, she still gets to live. she gets 1up’s, she get’s special powers while the other witches are just mortal and when they die they become ghosts if we see them again. Esther is special.
I can’t imagine Klus pressing his hair. WTF was that?! D=
I feel like Bonnie might be crying because vampires are always on her back. She melancholy because she is being bird-dogged.
I’m never going to remember “Devil Spirit”. 😦
Steven and Michael we’re talking about these scenes they were going to get with Kat Graham. Poor guys, so thirsty. I love it!
If Meredith had stayed Damon probably would have fed her to Alaric. So it was good that she got out of there.
I don’t know why my part is breaking up. Just my part. something must just be wrong on my end.
Sorry yall. 😀
I don’t understand how Stefan can be okay with Jeremy being compelled. That should take him back to all the times he was. And he should be side-eyeing Elena for compelling her brother. It’s basically the same as with Katherine, only Elena’s using Damon to compel her family members, because she can’t do it herself. Katherine/Elena parallel!
Short version: Word. He really should have issues with compulsion. More issues than they show him to have. Complicated issues because, of course he’s used it, but issues nonetheless.
Long version, in which I have way too many Stefan thoughts: In s1, the first time Jeremy was compelled, Stefan said he couldn’t do it because he was on animal blood. However, he;d previously compelled his way into school and compelled Vicki to forget that she was attacked by a vampire (which is something that falls apart spectacularly for Stefan in the books and looking back, I’m disappointed the show didn’t go with a mob trying to kill him just for the sake of involving the town tbh). Both of these are self-serving, but mostly gray choices. Compelling Vicki turns out to be a bad decision, but since the show never really dealt with the whys and hows of Stefan’s culpability in her death, compulsion, as protection (self-serving or otherwise) is never really questioned. So we get to jump right into Stefan saying he can’t compel Jeremy because he’s on animal blood and what he would be compelling him to do would be too much for him to guarantee.
If I think about Stefan in s1 being a complete character, with priorities and beliefs and desires that went beyond his feelings for Elena, which he was, then I’d say that his response to Elena’s request was a copout on his part, a way to say no without saying no. Whether it was deliberate or I was seeing things, I think Paul played Stefan’s reaction to Elena’s request as a shocked and slightly sickened. Right now he hasn’t been involved in compelling Jeremy since and he basically redirected Jeremy’s anger in the s1 finale…for whatever reason. And Stefan now has no relation to the Stefan that existed in s1. They are essentially different characters, but…and I’m not sure how deliberate these choices are (whether the writers are actually trying to connect these reactions back to Katherine compelling him or if they just wanted Stefan to have an excuse to hate Klaus. I’m pretty sure it was the latter because Stefan has yet to throw Klaus compelling him in the 20s in his face and it’s hard to ignore that Stefan probably would have some conflicted emotions over that. Because it falls in line with compulsion that is self-serving yet meant to protect…Klaus was protecting himself as much as he was protecting Stefan…I guess. Who knows? This show is a mess.) but in Smells Like Teen Spirit or whichever episode had prank night, when Klaus compelled Stefan to turn it off, Stefan desperately screamed NO at least once. Which to me works if he has specific issues with compulsion and not like…the nothing it turned into. Like it’s a thread in Stefan’s character that the writers tease at, but fail to really explore to it’s full potential. Which is Stefan in a nutshell.
which is something that falls apart spectacularly for Stefan in the books and looking back, I’m disappointed the show didn’t go with a mob trying to kill him just for the sake of involving the town tbh
Woah, really? Ugh. But Myopia is the word. How does he get out of it in the books? Does everyone just find out that he’s a vamp? I don’t even think these producers would leave that for the end of the series, tbqh.
I think Paul played Stefan’s reaction to Elena’s request as a shocked and slightly sickened.
He did, and when Damon went inside to do it, he shook his head and he totally looked like he felt it wasn’t right but because Jer isn’t his brother he couldn’t very well tell Elena what to do. And we can say it’s because of his memories of Katherine and how long it took him to get over it coupled with the fact that he wasn’t close enough to Elena to reveal that yet. But that’s back when Stefan had a past that mattered to him. “Nothing I do matters if she has feelings for someone else.” Blergh.
Woah, really? Ugh. But Myopia is the word. How does he get out of it in the books? Does everyone just find out that he’s a vamp? I don’t even think these producers would leave that for the end of the series, tbqh.
My memories of the books have jumbled them up a bit, but I’m pretty sure that it happened in the first book and Tyler was one of the people who was leading the town against him, but then Matt was on Stefan’s side, if I’m remembering correctly and Stefan hadn’t actually killed anyone. Everyone just thought he had because he was new in town and better him being a rando than there being werewolves and the like. The town isn’t actually much better at protecting itself in the books, but it’s also a lot less “WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR GENERATIONS” about the whole thing. Yeah, if Stefan dies in the end it’s not going to be because the town kills him. JP couldn’t have that.
He did, and when Damon went inside to do it, he shook his head and he totally looked like he felt it wasn’t right but because Jer isn’t his brother he couldn’t very well tell Elena what to do. And we can say it’s because of his memories of Katherine and how long it took him to get over it coupled with the fact that he wasn’t close enough to Elena to reveal that yet. But that’s back when Stefan had a past that mattered to him. “Nothing I do matters if she has feelings for someone else.” Blergh.
Sometimes I think I imagined it because it’s not a scene that gets talked about often from the perspective of “compelling Jeremy is actually a bad idea,” but I remember thinking at the time that Stefan wasn’t on board with it, but like you said, what could he say? Jeremy’s her brother. They weren’t close and at that point Stefan and Elena weren’t even together. She wanted him out of her life. So yeah. But that’s not the sort of response we’re going to get from Stefan again. Now if Stefan disagrees with Elena it’s about knowing what’s better for her than she does and blah blah blah I have no characterisation that isn’t about Elena.” Which sucks. Because they could have had Stefan and Caroline talk about this…instead of suggesting Caroline reminds Stefan of Lexi. Or they could have had Matt and Jeremy talk about the void compulsion that deals with memory leaves behind. They could have done something. But they didn’t because the characters aren’t curious about themselves or each other really.
Ah, I see.
and blah blah blah I have no characterisation that isn’t about Elena.
I laughed out loud. Smh.
Because they could have had Stefan and Caroline talk about this…instead of suggesting Caroline reminds Stefan of Lexi.
This is so true! Ugh. I wish the people who spent time tweeting JP on the regular would ask why this stuff didn’t happen.
The characters’ lack of curiosity when it comes to anything might be the biggest crime.
You don’t stake werewolves.
Such a good point, but then the writers would have to care about the werewolves, and….they don’t. JoMo recently said he’d love for Klaus to turn into a werewolf again. I feel there’s a reason we haven’t, and I think it’s because the writers lost the point of Klaus being a Hybrid in the midst of wanting to humanize him. I’ve said before that he should be the perfect predator. Not Alaric. Klaus. But Klaus has frequent hearing, seeing, and smelling problems.
WHY NOT JUST HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER BE THERE FOR BONNIE?
Uuuuggghhhh.
There should be made a special hell for Esther.
Lmao!!!
Yeah, red seems to be Caroline’s color.
Klaus was near tears when he was talking to/dancing with Caroline.
He was! Geez.
doesn’t Matt work anymore?
Not now that he’s part of the plot. Just like Jeremy stopped owning a dog when it was time for him to re-enter the plot.
Caroline is now the “Bonnie” of the girl’s friendship. Remember when Bonnie was Elena’s best friend as well as Caroline’s and it seemed like Caroline and Elena weren’t as close?
Yup. Only they’re displaying Elena/Caroline more than they ever displayed Elena/Bonnie.
We’ve never seen a witch destroy any life force.
I don’t feel that’s a conscious decision by the show. Although I’d say what Esther did, twice now, counts as destroying a life force. Greta toed the line pretty damn close considering she’s the one who made the sacrifice happen.
Esther is the only witch to still be around with after being killed. I mean with her body, she still gets to live. she gets 1up’s, she get’s special powers while the other witches are just mortal and when they die they become ghosts if we see them again. Esther is special.
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I can’t imagine Klus pressing his hair. WTF was that?! D=
Lol!
No you are not, lmao.
Don’t worry about it!
Yup. Only they’re displaying Elena/Caroline more than they ever displayed Elena/Bonnie.
if you look at Bonnie’s face whenever she has to listen to Elena talk about Damon … it’s hilarious. It’s like: ugh! I’m too nice to tell her to STFU.
And of course Elena is so busy with her damon!vomit that cannot read social ques. Bonnie’s face clearly reads: IDGAF
I don’t feel that’s a conscious decision by the show. Although I’d say what Esther did, twice now, counts as destroying a life force. Greta toed the line pretty damn close considering she’s the one who made the sacrifice happen.
You mean killing people to make vampires? yeah, I guess. I would like to see a witch deliver the final death blow, where the thing doesn’t get up again later.
Bonnie also needs to bleed again. From her own power I mean.
You mean killing people to make vampires?
Yeah, and don’t forget Esther killed Tatia to make the vamps. But I’d like to see them deal the final blow too. I’d like to see Bonnie do it.
She really does. What, does magic only push back once in a lifetime? I need to see it for continuity and so that I can see this show isn’t only interested in plot points *______*.
Didn’t they say Mikhael killed the children? Do we know that Tatia by Esther? They said they used her blood but they’ve been using Elena’s as well? I honestly haven’t been paying attention when they talk about the Doppelgangers this season. I know they show up once every 500 years though. My friend pointed that out to me. :X
Elijah said during at the dinner that Esther killed Tatia.
oh. shows how much I cared/was paying attention.
Lol!!!
I read on twitter that a fan or was calling Elena Hoelana.
I agree that Elena doesn’t love Damon, so it makes the triangle even more unnecessary. It’s obvious that she’s going to choose Stefan or neither.
I never believe the hype about upcoming episodes especially when they come from JP. She over exaggerates way too much.
I can only pray that the originals will be dead in the next episode or the finale.
In the next episode will Bonnie even remember what happened? She did when Emily was possessing her right?
I didn’t know how to react when Caroline told Tyler that Damon doesn’t care if he died, mainly because he didn’t even flinch at that. I think I looked over at my sister for clarification of what was just said and she didn’t even look fazed. The actors were giving us nothing in that scene.
Alaric’s storyline ended when Jenna died.
Is Jeremy still compelled? Why hasn’t this been addressed on the show yet and will it ever be?
At the least Elena has 2 vampires protecting her when Alaric is gone. I can’t believe she said who is going to take care of her.
The salt reminded me of Supernatural, but they never do it so thickly. It’s used on there to keep ghosts out and they magically find ways to blow it away themselves. I didn’t know ghosts were smarter than vampires who could’ve easily had someone kick it away. I would’ve been fine if some random student walked by and did that.
I’m tired of Caroline. Matt is well aware of what’s going on with Elena/Salvatores. I believe that has been addressed in seasons 1 & 2. More unnecessary dialogue. He isn’t one of the characters that leave for episodes at a time and doesn’t know what’s going on now.
It really doesn’t matter if they are in school or not because most of them won’t live to see the future anyway.
Klaus in that white suit reminded me of the old KFC man.
I’m surprised, not really, that Bonnie hasn’t weighed in on Elena/Salvatores. Either she doesn’t know or doesn’t care especially since Caroline is Elena’s best friend now.
I’m tired of the originals being put on ice. Please kill them already. This is dragging on for far too long.
In seasons 1 & 2, I could see the whole fast paced thing because halfway through a season we were into a completely different storyline. Now not so much. Things are happening quickly, but in a bad way. A lot of things are being skipped over instead of explained and or shown to us.
Bonnie barefoot so she could be closer to the earth was so freaking funny.
>>Hoelana<>I never believe the hype about upcoming episodes especially when they come from JP. She over exaggerates way too much.<>I can only pray that the originals will be dead in the next episode or the finale.<<
That's been my prayer for several episodes. They have worn out their welcome in Mystic Falls. it's time to lay it down. For good.
Season 3 is trying its best to erase everything that was good and interesting about Seasons 1 and 2. All the character development and forward movement is just gone. Instead we're left with this agonizing repetition of Elena running back and forth between the brothers, Bonnie and her powers being used to the nth degree while her personhood is completely ignored, and way too much focus on the Originals.
Season 3 is trying its best to erase everything that was good and interesting about Seasons 1 and 2.
Seriously! Look at the state of Jeremy and my ship! And Bonnie’s witch narrative!
Her witch narrative has been handed over to a dead vamp/witch, Esther. It’s so played out. I don’t want to see Esther! I want her gone. Why Klaus won’t just end her is something I don’t understand!? Okay, he has Mommy issues, so does Bonnie. I’d rather see Bonnie deal with hers than more of her story being given to other new characters. We have seen Caroline deal with both of her Mom/Dad issues. Nothing from Bonnie. Oh, she’s such the strong black woman. Gag. Me.
All of this.
She did when Emily was possessing her right?
Yeah, she remembered. She was just confused at first when she came out of it.
I’m starting to highly doubt that the Originals will die this season. Next episode will focus on stopping Alaric and then the finale is a flashback episode. I don’t think Elena would be sitting back and reminiscing if they were trying to kill Klaus. What if he leaves town at the end of 3.21? We see Rebekah in that 3.22 still, but she’s been in episodes where Klaus is absent.
The actors were giving us nothing in that scene.
No, they weren’t. Tyler didn’t flinch and Caroline didn’t flinch at the thought. I supposed this is how people want Bonnie to be so they can ignore her even better than they already do.
Alaric’s storyline ended when Jenna died.
So much word. But look at how they managed to stretch his relevance over an entire season. That’s what dedication to a character/actor looks like.
Is Jeremy still compelled? Why hasn’t this been addressed on the show yet and will it ever be?
It hasn’t been addressed because the show isn’t about the characters and their emotions anymore. I’m positive Jeremy’s still compelled or else Elena would’ve let us know during her summary of his life since coming back to MF.
He isn’t one of the characters that leave for episodes at a time and doesn’t know what’s going on now.
Seriously. And why is she just now having this conversation with him?
It really doesn’t matter if they are in school or not because most of them won’t live to see the future anyway.
Lol!
Klaus in that white suit reminded me of the old KFC man.
Lmao!
She already surmised that Elena liked the kiss on the porch. That’s all the weighing I need her to do. Like I said on Tumblr, it’s better if the characters just don’t comment on things like Delena or, worse, Stefan/Stelena because as soon as they do, they become ridiculous. Look at Caroline and her pimping Elena with the man who ripped people apart over the summer.
Bonnie barefoot so she could be closer to the earth was so freaking funny.
Lmao.
OMG the outtakes I’m dying! Could this be a staple for future podcasts (if they apply)?
If they apply, yeah. Trust me it’d be very boring to hear the outtakes when I’m by myself. I’m either breathing to hard or sniffing. Smh.
LMAO! Sorry. That sounds like a harassing phone call. lol
Anyone read Michael Collado’s recap of the episode? It’s hilarious! I loved Caroline going “Seriously?” and Tyler telling her to stfu. I loved a couple of Esther’s quips like “Stay Mad,” etc: http://nowhitenoise.com/2012/05/the-vampire-diaries-3×20-do-not-go-gentle-photo-recap-the-triangle-diaries/
Thanks for the link. I loved this exchange:
Jeremy: “Alaric helped us all those times… remember?”
Elena: “Of course, I remember.”
Jeremy: “Then, can you tell me ’cause I sorta forgot.”
Lmao!
I loved that part!
Lol!