It’s like the show wanted to be in my face with all the gross problems with Elena’s character and how the writing caters to her.

If Bonnie’s not in episode 16, then I won’t be watching it. They better come out with some good ass spoilers for her in order to get me.

Damon

Stefan

Elena’s stupidity and Abby and Bonnie paying for it.

Elijah the woobie at the end there

We’ve hit the 1000th way to kill Klaus

I’m thankful for the bit of meta in regards to the Bonnie/Elena friendship but that better be the last time Caroline is Bonnie’s mouthpiece. Let the girl speak for herself, show.

I never got the wish to see dark!Bonnie. I didn’t think we were at the point where it was warranted. It’s warranted now. I want to see it.

Four White dicks and the show preserved them all while sacrificing the Black vaginas.

Someone said JP is cowardly absent from her Twitter right now?

This podcast is going to be way late. That’s if I don’t skip it and wait until the summer. 3.14’s podcast will be up tomorrow. I stopped in the middle of recording it to watch this episode. Mistake.

ETA:

The only way I’ll be able to accept Bonnie letting these people stay in her life is if she goes dark for the rest of the season and into season 4. I need her to be completely emotional. No one is able to sacrifice that fucking much. She can bond with her mother and have scenes with Caroline. For variety they can giver her scenes with Jeremy when he comes back or they can finally have her interact with Tyler. But Elena? Stefan? Damon? I don’t want her to talk to them. I might explode if that happens. I need her to scream at them, insult them, give them aneurysms, throw Elena’s privilege in her face, stop being a team player. She’s got all the power and all the resources. She doesn’t need a damn team. I mean do we realize what just happened tonight? Damon and Stefan are so useless, that when they couldn’t find Bonnie and when she said no, they killed her mother and made her suffer. They’ve got nothing without her so they used her to get something accomplished. They literally used her and her family as a weapon.

So why the fuck does she need them? What do they bring to her life? No really, after tonight’s episode this question couldn’t be more valid. What do Stefan, Damon, and Elena bring to Bonnie’s life? How does she benefit at all from knowing them, aside from having endless opportunity to practice her damn powers?

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122 thoughts on “It’s like the show wanted to be in my face with all the gross problems with Elena’s character and how the writing caters to her.

  1. I can’t process right now I’m sad, I’m mad, I CAN’T.

    I hate the Salvatores more than ever I want Everyone to die. The originals, the Salvatores, Elena and I hope Alaric is dead for good this time.

    And I cried this episode. For Bonnie and for myself and at how shitty this show is and how I hate everything.

  2. I feel like I’m going to be tuning into your show a lot more, especially with all this BS going on with Bonnie’s character. I need to hear somebody rant frustration just as much I have been for the past couple episodes, lol

      • But if you leave us, the terrorists win! 😛 Seriously, I don’t blame you for being frustrated and wanting to quit. It’s just too bad that the smarter viewers (understandably) give up on crappy TV shows and we’re left with less critical (DUMB! DUMB! DUMB!) viewers gushing about how great the show is and giving the writers a skewed fan perspective that will just swell their heads even more. Are there more of them (gushy fans) than us? Or can we get the show cancelled by quitting? 😉 But it’s The CW and they have such low standards (quality-wise and ratings-wise). They probably avoid critical sites like this anyway. Our negative feedback can’t get through to the idiots in charge. Sigh.

        • I don’t know. Right now I feel apathetic towards everything on the show. And that sometimes happen when the show is sucking, but I just feel no passion, not even about Bonnie. Even my frustration from yesterday is gone, and I’m just left taking everything in. I just need to know what she’ll be doing next we see her.

  3. I don´t know what to say … but I have been never more disgusted in my life than after this 40 minutes.

    WHERE WERE BONNIE AND ABBY IN THE END?

    I waited through the Salvatores bragging about their love for Elena, I waited through Elena reading a apology letter from Elijah, I waited through Elijah/Klaus/Rebekah speaking about their existence and burning drawings and I had to endure that Alaric scene afte which he hopefully ends up dead after the hiatus … but no Bonnie, why am I still watching this. I should have stopped after ep. 13.

    I would open up a twitter account to spam JP and all the writers who were involved in this disgusting mess but I think they would probably block me or anything because I don´t know how this works.

  4. I wish she had given Stefan an aneurysms when he came after her. All that was allowed was her to back away and then try scurrying. Abby should have known about the protective circle, but not other witch knows about them except Esther. Tell me why Bonnie and Abby weren’t in that circle?

    • “All that was allowed was her to back away and then try scurrying.”

      Arrgh! I know! I hate the writers for not letting her fight back. Nevermind what she’s capable of, and would logically do in a situation like this. We have to make the plot go *this* way! Good writers would actually be able to keep characters in character while still moving the story where they want it go. Or, y’know, if you *can’t* preserve character and continuity and logic, maybe your idea *sucks* …so don’t do it! Such contrived crap.

      Stefan deserves many many aneurysms for the way he’s treated Bonnie lately, and for acting like a self-righteous self-pitying martyr. Oooh he’s sooo much better than Damon. He wins the amazing prize that is Elena. Lucky him. “I guess neither of us get her”, is that what Damon said at one point? 😮 The men decide the women’s fate, once again. And Bonnie’s life amounts to… “hmm Elena might be mad if we kill her… which means no nookie!”

      • Stefan deserves to be set on fire, honestly.

        How are the writers going to get anyone out of this mess with any dignity.
        If I were Bonnie I would not want to see Elena ever again. Ever.

        Such tunnel vision when it comes to the trio. Stefan and Elena have it the worst. I feel like if Elena would have gotten her chance to be with Bonnie she would have said something wrong which might have resulted in Caroline’s house burning down.

        • Elena say something wrong? Haha, now I’ve got it in my head that’s why Caroline wouldn’t let her…Caro remembers how Elena sympathized with *her* over Bill… and wants to spare Bonnie. 😉

          “But Bonnie…at least your vampire mom’s still around! My vampire mom’s dead-dead! Also, you still have your father. Unlike *me*. Sigh. Actually I’ve never met your father, but I assume he’s alive anyway. I can help you find him? Road trip! I bet he knew my dad – in fact I bet he was my dad’s loyal serv– best friend! So I’d like to meet him – let’s go!”

      • Or, y’know, if you *can’t* preserve character and continuity and logic, maybe your idea *sucks* …so don’t do it! Such contrived crap.

        Yep. Maybe leave it on the shelf for a while until you can figure out a way to do it that doesn’t short-change your characters. They said the circle is protective, but they decide to make Bonnie and Abby go hide in the house for convenience sake.

        “I guess neither of us get her”, is that what Damon said at one point?

        Yep.

  5. I realize now why this episode made me so sad. Just how little they care about Bonnie, I mean I always knew but seeing it just really hurt me.
    When Damon made his eulogy comment he was done with me. I just hate them all. This is why when I first joined this fandom over the summer I didn’t understand why there were Bamon shippers or why it was a ship at all.
    They didn’t even give a fuck like none at all. Oh Elena’s going to be mad at me, not what they had just done to Bonnie. Fuck them all.
    Damon and Stefan better never ever asked her for shit for the rest of there fucking lives.
    to quote Catelyn Stark “kill them all”.
    They just didn’t give Bonnie a second thought or a first one for that matter fuckers.

    I sorry I’m just so mad and this fandom can burn too.

    • See, I’m not even pissed. I’m frustrated and ready to quit the show. I already knew they didn’t care about her so watching them barter her and her mother’s life was no surprise. Just a new low for them. I mean when they have Stefan and Damon talking to her the way they do, ignoring her the way they do, and calling her a weapon the way they do, I can’t expect the writers to still have them value her life. One thing follows the other. It just breaks my heart that Bonnie will most likely not spend a lot of time being mad.

      • “I’m gonna burn this whole world down!” Burn – Nine Inch Nails

        If I was going to write anything it would just be Bonnie burning down the whole town then walking out of it like a bad ass.

  6. I miss Jeremy. I just wish he was here I don’t know why I just do.

    I like Finn.

    From now on I will only be watching episodes with Bonnie in them. I don’t care enough about anyone else.

      • I bet you guys are missing him because at least Jeremy’s gone against Elena’s wishes in the past (but that’s why she has to get her vampire goon to compel him into obedience. :P) … I don’t have much faith that he’d take Bonnie’s side though, if he were here and knew about all this. The writers would conveniently forget his justifiably resentful attitude towards Elena… and they already pretty much made Jeremy forget he loved Bonnie. :/

    • I thought about him also. I thought he would also be angry at Elena for what went down with the Salvatore’s.

      After Greta y’all know I never wanted Damon to touch another witch again. I need revenge fic

  7. I really liked the Caroline/Elena scene. I loved when Elena told Caroline to tell Bonnie she loved her. Is it the first time someone has said it about Bonnie. Sometimes love isn’t enough but I did love that moment.

    • On the one hand, I agree with Tavi that it was nice to hear Bonnie getting some love from Caroline and Elena… on the other hand, I agree with jajp92 who said “Let the girl speak for herself, show.” I mean, it’s bad enough that the show gives Caroline more screentime to mourn her dad than they give Bonnie in this ep, to react over Abby. But then the writers have Caroline deliver a message from Bonnie, to Elena? Caroline has enough screentime. C’mon. Although I can understand why Bonnie wouldn’t want to see Elena. But still.

      • O_O we didn’t even get to see Bonnie find her mother’s body. They know if they give Kat “too many scenes” she’ll get another screen stealer award.

        Seriously how did they get out of that house? How long was Bonnie in there with the body of her mother?

  8. I just cried, y’all. Jesus. I wasn’t boohoo-ing, but I had to wipe away some tears, and I’m still wiping because they just keep coming. The very thing Elena’s character got screwed over for, in terms of non-reaction, just happened to Bonnie. Damon killed her brother and she quickly forgave him. Not Stefan and Damon have killed her mother. Considering their utter failure in letting Bonnie react to Stefan this season, I’m not sure why they’d suddenly see the light and do her character justice regardless of Stefan’s position as lead.

  9. Remember when Elena wanted to commit suicide last season? I was completely on her side then. It was the sensible thing to do for her “loved ones”. Perhaps, the only sensible plan that Elena has ever come up with. I wish she would consider it again.

    • Lmao. I hope her and Bonnie have a serious conversation about the dynamics of their friendship. And that Elena doesn’t try to make any excuses, that she just listens and realizes that she can act a whole hell of a lot better.

    • I was seriously rooting for Elena to step up and do the right thing and remove herself as leverage/hostage. Just… taunt Rebekah into killing her. Step into the flames while covered in gasoline. Do it, Elena! This show must bring out the violent psycho in me. And they say TV isn’t a bad influence. 😛 But I just can’t stand the “sacrifice anyone for Elena…she must be saved at all costs!” mentality. Wtf makes Elena so precious? The writers can have Elijah or whoever rave about her supposed compassion, and i don’t care. Did she show compassion over Rebekah’s dream of attending a high school prom? Nope! 😛 I laughed at the reason for Rebekah’s revenge-wish: Elena hurt her feelings. Elena hurt her feelings?! Rebekah must’ve reeeally wanted to be best buds with Elena, right? That’s why it hurts so much. They were supposed to be BFFs and giggle over prom dresses together, dammit! But Elena betrayed her!!! Everyone wants Elena, one way or another, eh?

  10. Remember the fan theories about Alaric being responsible for the serial killing, including stabbing himself to throw people off or ’cause he just snapped and has split personalities or memory loss now or whatever, because he “came back wrong” because you can’t cheat death without consequences, and how this could be an interesting storyline to explore?

    It just figures that the writers would go with the least interesting idea instead and apparently make Meredith the psycho serial killer after all. Why? Why go with the more predictable option? Meredith was so obvious, she should’ve been a red herring. Did the writers just want to make Damon right about her? Or piss off book fans even more just for laughs? (not that this Meredith resembles book-Meredith at all anyway, whether she’s a serial killer or not).

    Speaking of going with the more predictable and less interesting option: removing the threat of Esther killing The Originals so soon (big shock – not – they always squander story potential with lightning-fast resolution that makes the whole thing pointless) and doing so by making it ALL ABOUT ELENA… AGAIN. Of course The Originals weren’t gonna be killed. But I was hoping it would turn out that Esther was gonna kill *all* the vampires, not just her family, (’cause why stop at them? They’re not the only vampires killing innocent humans) and then the gang would have to decide whether it was worth the sacrifice of “good” vamps they care about, to eliminate Klaus etc and save humanity from vampires forever. But no. Let’s just put Elena in fake-peril again. And Bonnie & Abby are the only ones who have to sacrifice. Naturally. I suppose we should be grateful that Abby’s not dead-dead and already off the show? ‘Cause that’s what I expect with TVD’s track record of killing women, POC, and witches in general. Let’s hope Bonnie & Abby get more scenes now because of the angsty story potential? (Why am I still hoping for *anything*? I never learn. :P)

    • I wanted Meredith to be the killer so she could start being interesting, but now I have the feeling she’s working for someone else.

      I was hoping Esther would at least kill one Original, but they all walked away. That’s what happens when the show finds you fascinating and sees potential in you.

      Elena really ruined the plan. She was so damn reckless. She has no idea what it means to look out for number 1. Because she felt a certain way about Elijah, she shot everything to hell. After all her crap back when Stefan ruined the plan and she didn’t even stop to consider that he might’ve been compelled.

  11. Ahoy! My fellow bonnie fans, unfortunately i don’t see bonnie in the new tvd trailer instead we have a new character ‘sage’ played by tess from smallville…the last thing tvd needs is a new character but they just couldn’t resist it…found the trailer just now!

    • Smallville will never really be over, will it? We thought we were free. But the stench of Smallville’s bad writing, lives on, like a meteor shower of manure, invading every other show on The CW. I don’t know what the heck CW stands for anyway. But I think they should be called The EW instead. Much more meaningful.

      • I used to think this – that TVD=Smallville. Alta and others tried to tell me that TVD is worse but I just couldn’t accept it. This season, my eyes are finally open. I can’t imagine a worse written show. What would it even be? A bunch of disconnected scenes/eps with a constantly changing cast, no clear plot and poor characterization? Oh wait…

        • Exactly!, they should only bring new characters in when we fully understand our current characters…i mean i haven’t yet figured out why meredith is doing what she is or why damon is so self-destructive(unless this episode covers it…then forget it because i don’t want them to waste a whole episode on damon)…instead of bringing new characters they should do one of those episodes that focuses on one character and empathises with them and the character should be bonnie and her mothers transition, this will finally be the first mother daughter life changing experience.

        • Lmao. What makes Smallville trump TVD for me is that the writers allowed their characters to succeed. Each of them. Even in his “darkest hour,” Clark got to succeed and get a pov and the like. TVD just seems to love to torture all of their characters by having them hur each other, and then there’s no outlet.

      • Hmm…but Stefan already killed Andie… although that was more “for” Elena than Lexi, I guess. And totally justifiable! Stefan is still vastly superior to Damon!

        I guess Bonnie and her Lost Cousin are the only witches left (alive)? Okay, Bonnie can kill Sage for fun or whatever, *after* she kills Damon & Stefan & Elena. The Salvatores for Grams & Abby. And Elena for Jeremy. There! Balance restored. 🙂

  12. Just wanted to point something out Kat tweeted that she cried her guts out on set … and I watched the scene with Caroline, Elena and Bonnie in the end at least 5 times but Kat looks nothing like she did when Grams died or when she brought Jeremy back.
    Do you think they cut out some scenes between her and Abby?

    Because it bothered me that we didn´t see Bonnie finding Abby after Damon broke her neck. I could imagine that would be a scene where gut-wrenching crying is happening.
    How was her first reaction when she say Abby lying there? Did she call Caroline or what about the Salvatore brothers? Did they stay and watched what they have done? Disgusting.
    Why couldn´t we get a scene in Bonnie´s house or at least in a room where Abby is staying for the time she is MF?
    Why couldn´t we see Abby waking up and her realization that she is in transition?
    I had to sit through at least 15 minutes torture!Bill´s transition but I don´t get a whole minute on this? I have no words …

    And I don´t get my hopes up for Bonnie being in the next episode it really looks like a Damon centered episode and JP and her co.writers like to ship Bonnie off-screen after big events in her life.
    I hate this show so much.

    • Yeah, that was not Bonnie “crying her guts out.” Since I trust Kat, I think they cut something out. Bonnie not crying her guts out works for me, as that would show that she’s beaten down so much that she can’t be that expressive with her emotions anymore, but yeah, I think something got cut.

      I feel like it played out like this: Damon snaps Abby’s neck, Bonnie hears her body drop and runs to her, she’s either too shocked to freak out or she does freak out, Stefan comes up the stairs with no sympathy on his face, and the Salvatores leave her. She then has to call Caroline to come help her, once she can move and think again.

      We should’ve seen her finding Abby. We saw Caroline finding Bill and Jenna died right in front of Elena, so…..Alaric too.

      Yeah, I think next episode is Damon-centered, and my gut says Bonnie won’t be in it. There’s still time for my gut to be wrong, but I’m not holding out.

      • I don’t think Bonnie will be in the next episode. she’s not seeing any of the trio and so that means she won’t be seen. They might talk about her like they always do when they need to give exposition about her.

        It would be interesting if Elena wasn’t in the following episode. Goodness what if none of the women were in the next episode because they were all with (or trying to hang out with) Bonnie? It’d be the first episode that didn’t have her in it. I’d be impressed, but also grossed out because that would me more sausage-y manpain.

        • Yeah, I think they’ll just be giving us an update about her like in 3.14.

          I would be impressed too. I’d have the give the show kudos for that. I’d like it if Elena told Damon and Stefan never to mention Bonnie’s name in her presence, but she’s forgiven them for worse, so…..

        • I think I saw some on-set pictures of Nina (with a lot make up at least more than I ever saw on Elena) and Claire so they will probably be in it. And Candice spoke about the flashback episode so she will probably be in it too.

            • I really don´t know, but why would Candice speak about a flashback episode if she isn´t in it?
              I went to the vampire diaries wikia page and there they have Bonnie “credit only” … that information is most likely not valid but I just checked the site because I wanted to look who wrote it but even this is not mentioned.

                • Ok, so I’m totally setting myself up to be proven wrong but it looks like ep 16 might be either written or co-written by this new writer, Elisabeth Finch, who previously worked on ‘True Blood’. Which would def raise my interest in this ep, just by virtue of the fact that this would mean that the ep wasn’t be written by the usual suspects.

                  • Do you know if the TB episodes she’s written are good? And I guess this kind of won’t matter if Bonnie’s not even in the ep since her reaction is what’s got me most on edge. Here’s hoping the producers broke tradition wrt Bonnie this once. Also, if Bonnie’s absent then the thing I’ll be watching for in 3.16 is Elena’s reaction. *Sigh.*

                    • She co-wrote 3 eps for TB. I remember that I really liked 2 of them and the third one was mehh. But you’re right that it kind of doesn’t matter, since 1) no Bonnie 2) look who co-wrote 3.16.

  13. So….just watched the episode and UM…after I got through the WTF phase and the HOLY SHIT MY HEART HURTS phase now…all I have is rage. I mean what the actual fuck. I hope Bonnie goes dark and fucks all their shit up. Just fuck it up…hell join the Originals…kill both Damon and Stefan…reject Elena and then kill the Originals…then burn down Mystic Falls and then the show can end.

  14. Esther had the ability to make her kids human again like I suspected. So why was she trying to kill them? I wish the writers made it so that once a spell is reversed, it can’t be redone. In this case, once the Originals (maybe just some of them like Rebekah) are de-vamped, they can’t be re-vamped. Then some of them can stay in MF through a deal between the gang and Esther (or the remaining Originals who are still vamped). I wanted something to happen in the main plot. I mean, we are in ep 15 of the Originals season and nothing has happened to them. Yes, their mother is back. So what? She hasn’t done anything. There have been zero permanent consequences. Everything feels static to me. There is the magical link I suppose. I guess it goes with the theme of family the show is doing. *siiiigh* It is all so boring. We lost Tyler and Jeremy for this mess? Damn

    Also, OMG!!! It is the next day and I am still RAGING about the Bonnie/Abby stuff. We can’t even get a brief moment of Bonnie and Abby angsting about transitioning? We got half an ep dedicated to Bill’s death. I bet Abby will show up as a vampire 2 eps from now as if she has always been that way. Everything will be forgotten.

    • I don’t get it. I really don’t get it. This story is sloppy. I feel that it shouldn’t be possible to make vampires into humans. The change should be permanent. If it’s not permanent, then why did the spirits punish Esther. She could’ve just undid the spell. No witch has thought to come up with a spell to make vamps back into humans (since it’s possible)?

      Are they even still connected? I would think that would eventually go away since Esther has gone back to the other side. Elena’s blood will pass through their system.

      And you’re so right about the Originals. Nothing has happened. Nothing permanent has happened. Even Kol and Finn simply walked out of Mystic Falls.

      • Sloppy doesn’t even cover it. To paraphrase Carina MacKenzie – a fucking tree is now an antagonist on this show. I am looking forward to 7 eps of various Find The Tree missions.

        Are they even still connected? I would think that would eventually go away since Esther has gone back to the other side. Elena’s blood will pass through their system.

        Imo, they should still be connected. I think Elena’s blood was simply an ingredient in the spell. Once Esther burned that piece of paper with her kids’ names on it, the spell was completed. On the other hand, Kol and Elijah left town like they had no care in the world. So maybe the link is gone

        I think Finn grabbed Esther and ran away. She should still be alive. IIRC I don’t think her body was in the circle after the spell failed. I am not sure because I wasn’t paying too much attention after the Salvatores attacked the Bennetts.

        • Lmao! I didn’t know she said that.

          You’re right. They’re linked through Finn’s blood. But watch, after Klaus dies we’ll have an episode of Elijah coming back to town *____*. But you’re right that they should still be linked.

          The pentagram shook and the flames flared. That’s why I think Esther evaporated. I’ll see when I rewatch the episode.

        • Sloppy doesn’t even cover it. To paraphrase Carina MacKenzie – a fucking tree is now an antagonist on this show. I am looking forward to 7 eps of various Find The Tree missions.

          It´s ridic but hilarious at the same time.
          I can imagine scout!Nik and scout!Rebekah hiking through the woods of Mystic Falls a classification guide book in their hand and they compare leaf shape and the structur of the bark with the pictures in their book. Lmao.
          But here Matt could come in handy … like to earn money for his health insurance (it will never get old) he disposes toxic substance illegally in the woods or in a lake nearby and sees them and because the super-hearing and sensing doesn´t work conveniently he learns about what they are searching for and goes to the group to inform them about it.

    • Susan said: “We can’t even get a brief moment of Bonnie and Abby angsting about transitioning? We got half an ep dedicated to Bill’s death.”

      I know! It’s infuriating and such shoddy writing. I assume there was a conversation where Abby chose to transition rather than die? Of course Susan is right – we shouldn’t have to assume – we should’ve seen it. Stupid writers aren’t even milking all the dramatic potential in their own stupid story. How can you repeat an idea like Caroline and Bonnie both having a parent vampirized…and repeat it so soon… without emphasizing the *contrast* between Abby agreeing to be a vampire because she wanted to stick around for Bonnie’s sake… versus Bill refusing to stay for Caroline. And further contrast in the fact that Caroline was desperate for her dad to accept being a vampire, whereas Bonnie’s horrified about her mom.

      In fact, how much cooler would it have been if Abby *actively* sought to become a vampire, came up with the idea herself instead of Damon? Not just to save freakin’ Elena, but because she didn’t want to “abandon” Bonnie again and thought this was the only way to be with her daughter *and* spare her having to deal with survivor’s guilt if Elena died? I know I’d rather see that than the Salvatore Men acting like they have the right to decide the fate of the Bennett Women. But obviously this is too much to expect when the show treats all women as objects. Some more desirable, others disposable. :/

      There could’ve (should’ve!) been a really emotional scene between Bonnie & Abby, giving the actresses a chance to shine and providing some pay-off to the whole mom-abandoned-me backstory. Y’know, now Abby’s willing to make this huge sacrifice in order to make it up to her daughter… but then it might lead to an ironic alienation instead! Partly because Abby will (in theory) outlive Bonnie, and how tough would it be to watch your daughter grow old and die while you don’t age? Bonnie might not be able to handle this and not want to see her mom at all. Voila. More irony and tragedy and drama and conflict and stuff. Stuff writers (in theory) would want to explore.

      • songspin, you know that is too much logic for the show, right? I love what you wrote though and I hope someone writes that fanfic.

        Btw, what do you think is going on with Caroline? It seems like she is into being wooed by Klaus. She seems to be enjoying it. What is up with that? Does she crave male attention in general?

        • Aww shucks, thanks Susan. 🙂 I guess Caroline does crave male attention due to Daddy issues? She was way too desperate for Bill’s approval too, in my opinion. Maybe it’s connected to her dad realizing he was gay and moving out, and she didn’t get to see him as much? I remember she unfairly blamed her mom for that situation in season one. It was just a throwaway line and hasn’t really been explored since…typical. There certainly are a lot of gaping holes on this show that fanfic could fill… tons unfulfilled story potential and stuff happening in Offscreenville. 😛

          Anyway, I’m not sure about Caroline and Klaus. I thought at first that she was playing hard-to-get-yet-flirtatious to lure him away from Kol. Stefan called her a decoy, right? (Gee I love it when women use their feminine wiles …Caroline’s kickass!) But then she seemed genuinely distressed when she protested her innocence when Klaus blamed her? I couldn’t tell whether she felt regret ’cause she’d *actually* started to fall for his “charm”, or whether she was just scared and trying to save her butt, or what. I figure the show wants to have it both ways. They give her lines where she seems loyal to Tyler and contemptuous of Klaus. And she “betrayed” Klaus in this ep (boo-hoo)… all this so we won’t think badly of her when she inevitably falls for Klaus anyway? Hey, she tried to resist him! But how can she be expected to hold out forever when he can show her the world! First stop: http://mylittleponycon.com/

          • But then she seemed genuinely distressed when she protested her innocence when Klaus blamed her? I couldn’t tell whether she felt regret ’cause she’d *actually* started to fall for his “charm”, or whether she was just scared and trying to save her butt, or what.

            I’ll have to rewatch to see if she was genuinely regretful or if it was all an act, but I do remember her looking like she was waffling when Klaus was paying her those compliments and saying he wants to get to know her. I don’t think that was an act. We’ll see when they have their next interaction.

          • There certainly are a lot of gaping holes on this show that fanfic could fill… tons unfulfilled story potential and stuff happening in Offscreenville.

            Yes. I really like what you wrote about Caroline and her craving male attention. If only the show did something with that with regards to Klaroline. I think this could get me interested in this SL.

            First stop: http://mylittleponycon.com/

            *dead*

      • I assume there was a conversation where Abby chose to transition rather than die?

        I thought by “in transition” they meant she still hadn’t woken up yet. Damn it, I want to see Abby make her decision. I want to see her and Bonnie angst over it. I want to see Abby talk about how even though she didn’t have her active powers, she was still connected to nature. She could use herbs. She just casted a spell after 15 years. And now it was taken from her. I want to hear it all. I want to see it. I don’t want it skipped over. Ugh.

        Stupid writers aren’t even milking all the dramatic potential in their own stupid story.

        Only Caroline, Damon, Elena, Stefan, and Klaus’ dramas get emphasized.

      • I´m still in disbelieve that they repeated the same story not only over three episodes but also three days in the timeline of Mystic Falls.

        ep. 13 – Caroline´s dad dies
        ep. 14 – The big ball the day after this
        ep. 15 – Abby dies a day after the ball because Kol said about Caroline “I remember her from last night”

        There couldn´t even have been a funeral for Bill and they already have the next dead parent. What is this show doing?

        • They probably buried Bill’s body in a ravine. Geez.

          And you’re right. The past three episodes have taken place right after the other in the timeline. Aside from Kol’s comment there was Rebekah and Damon waking up the day after.

          • Didn´t he say that he wanted to be cremated? I thought he said something like that when they spoke about his boyfriend (Steven?).

            Right … lol that was the obvious one, Why didn´t I mention that? Sometimes I pay to much attention to the dialogue but forget what his shown on screen.

            • I don’t remember anything about cremation. Caroline asked if he wanted him to call Steven, and he said no because they hadn’t spoken in a while (I thought that was kind of convenient. Hey, maybe that’s why he was torture-happy. Heartbreak?).

  15. Does anyone else remember how well Elena lied to Damon about saving Katherine in season one? As far as I know, he can hear heart beats too.

  16. What is wrong with Klaus? Why is he hurt that the girl whose friends he’s been hurting and who’s boyfriend he killed was participating in a plot to kill him?

    • Haha…but Klaus is so sensitive. It’s those artistic men, y’know. 😉 Oh, they may lash out at you! But violence = passionate emotion = a guy who really cares! And one must make allowances for the artistic temperament, right? 😛 Victims of vampires, rejoice – at least your psycho killer was cultured, not an uncouth brute with no appreciation for the arts. That’s some comfort, I’m sure.

      It’s absolutely ridiculous, I agree… that Klaus (or Stefan, etc) should act wounded after all the, uh, literal wounds they’ve inflicted on others… all the horrible things they’ve done. As if these guys deserve love. But Damon feels sad right after he kills someone (sometimes), so…awww poor tortured fella!

      Caroline hurt Klaus’ feelings. Katherine & Elena hurt Damon’s feelings. Elena hurt Stefan’s. Isobel hurt Alaric, and now Meredith’s *really* hurt Alaric. I bet Damon will be hurt that Bonnie & Abby don’t appreciate all he’s done for them. 😛

      Hmm…do women ever get hurt by men on this show? Or, should I say, does the show make as big a deal of it when men hurt (and usually kill, not just hurt their feeeelings) women? Naahh. Well, I guess Matt hurt Rebekah’s feeeeelings when he (and I can’t understand *how* he could be so cruel!) rejected her. Anyhoo, the show made a bigger deal over Rebekah being hurt by Elena, than the fact that HER BROTHER DAGGERED HER AND LIED TO HER ABOUT KILLING THEIR MOM AND THE REAL REASON THEIR DAD WAS AFTER THEM. Eh, she got over it. But Rebekah shall torture Elena for eternity!! (Fine by me, btw.)

      • Victims of vampires, rejoice – at least your psycho killer was cultured, not an uncouth brute with no appreciation for the arts.

        Lmao.

        Anyhoo, the show made a bigger deal over Rebekah being hurt by Elena, than the fact that HER BROTHER DAGGERED HER AND LIED TO HER ABOUT KILLING THEIR MOM AND THE REAL REASON THEIR DAD WAS AFTER THEM.

        So true!!!

        The women don’t make as much of a deal over the men hurting them as the men do when the women hurt them. Elena got over Stefan force-feeding her his blood in order to beg him to care, but Stefan’s still angsting over her being in love with Damon.

        • This drives me craaaazy. I suspect this show isn’t very feminist. 😛 And for all Stefan’s (self-pitying) talk about Elena being better off without him, he still acts entitled to her. Like he has a right to be hurt if she kisses someone else… or asks him if he killed the medical examiner. I love how he got all offended at that. 😛 Why, how *could* she accuse him of being a serial killer! It’s not like Stefan’s ever gone on a killing spree or has a list of names on a secret psycho wall, or anything.

  17. as much as i dread saying this…they shouldn’t kill klaus of the show, if they wanted to do that they should have done it before they gave the audience an emotional connection to his character…it’s to late now….they showed his soft side and made us believe that there is a little good in him, if they didn’t do that the whole mikaelson family would be dead by now.

    • I don’t feel emotionally connected to Klaus. They seem adamant on making him the opposite of what he should be and yet they still want to portray him as a scary threat.

  18. ”The pentagram shook and the flames flared. That’s why I think Esther evaporated. I’ll see when I rewatch the episode.”

    Thats what i thought happened as well but most people are saying that Finn speed himself and Esther out so I am confused.

    About Klaus, I am just bored of ”another thing found that can Klaus” sl it is boring and dragging. I just really think that it is time for a new villan. The writers seem to love Klaus so just let Klaus stick around and bring in someone new an actual viliian with no feelings and who doesnt care for anyone.

    Also I didnt get why he was emotional over what Caroline did, he is seriously crazy lol

    What has happened this season? I feel like nothing has happened even the main triangle has not really gone anywhere.

    • The writers seem to love Klaus so just let Klaus stick around and bring in someone new an actual viliian with no feelings and who doesnt care for anyone.

      This. Stop trying to sell him as a villain because it’s not working.

      I have no idea. This season is so disconnected. I don’t know how we got from the premier to episode 15. No idea. I’d say the triangle has gone father than Klaus as a villain.

  19. Seriously I keep thinking just make him part of the gang somehow and move on (rolleyes)

    So it is not only me, I feel like nothing has happened, half of the main cast have been missing this season, the triangle is lame, the ripper sl went nowhere, the ghost sl went nowhere, the originals coming in was fun for awhile but was underwhelming at the end, Klaus is love after one ep, and looks like he is not anymore I mean what??? lol

    Now we have a murder mystery and a tree to find, I just cant.

    Depending how the season ends I think I just may read you guys recaps.

    • Klaus is love after one ep, and looks like he is not anymore I mean what??? lol

      Now we have a murder mystery and a tree to find, I just cant.

      *Dead*

      Right now, I don’t know why I should come back for a fourth season. I’m not part of the fans they’re interested in pleasing. Every single storyline they’ve had this season has ended up limping to an end.

    • No it’s not just you. I was thinking last week how it was episode 14 and I still feel like I’m waiting for this season to start. There’s only what 7 episodes to go and I feel like there’s to much going on and nothing going on all at the same time.

  20. The spell Ester did last week linked all the originals together right? so what happens to one happens to all of them. Why didn’t they cut Kol’s head off or rip out his heart than they all would be dead even Klaus. After they daggered him they could have done that.

    • Considering the length of time it was taking Klaus to be affected by the daggering, I don’t know if that would’ve worked. I mean I guess it should’ve. I don’t know why they haven’t explained why Klaus’ head can’t be chopped off.

      • I’ve been wondering about this since the season started. Does Klaus being the Original hybrid mean that somehow his skin has developed some kind of titanium effect that prevents Damon, Stefan, Caroline, Bonnie to rip out his heart? Or chop off his head? I mean homeboy is not very smart…just have someone say “Hey look it’s Caroline!” and while he turns…rip out his heart and then chop off his head. Easy.

  21. I don’t know what to say about this episode. I mean, what is there to say? This episode was gross. This show is gross. I’m thankful for the hiatus.

    The way this show is treating Bonnie is heartbreaking.

    The Salvatores can go to hell.

    And Elena … I’m all for Elena being more ruthless and ‘darker’ but I can’t deal with how after every questionable act of hers (that the show acknowledges as such) we get a bunch of lines about how Elena is still The Most Wonderful Person Ever. She has Damon brainwash Jeremy? Damon tells her she’s still an awesome sister. Bonnie calls her out on this? At the end of the episode we have Matt telling Elena that she is “an amazing friend”. And in this episode it was out of control. Last episode she ‘tricked’ Elijah. And now we get Elijah telling her that it’s not in her nature to be deceitful, that she is wonderfully compassionate and how she has every quality he was aspiring to as a human or some crap like that. Show, just stop. It’s nauseating. And – is this really character development? I don’t feel like it is.

    And like – I think someone else already mentioned this – when Elena asked Bonnie if there was a way to stop Esther from channeling her, I thought for a second that she was concerned about her. But nope. For some unfathomable reason she is concerned about Elijah. It is so sad.

    Speaking about Elijah, I hope he stays gone. God knows we don’t need another woobie vampire on this show.

      • Lol. Yeah, what a pair.To be fair, with regard to Elijah, the show at least acknowledged that he’s only ‘noble’ and ‘moral’ when it suits him. Which, when pointed out to him, send him straight to woobie hell, rme. I don’t want to imagine what he’ll be like when he’ll inevitably reappear on the show.

        • Which, when pointed out to him, send him straight to woobie hell, rme.

          Lmao! Maybe when he reappears he’ll only do bad stuff after Elena approves. I see Elijah as being more willing to listen to Elena than Damon and Stefan.

          • That’s what I am afraid will happen.

            One thing I don’t like about Elijah’s letter/epiphany about himself is that it came after he got everything he wanted. Which is so convenient. It’s like him having his cake and eating it too. First he gets what he wants (put a stop to Esther’s plan) and then he immediately ‘repents’, which so easy because he just got everything he wanted. … I feel like I’m not explaining this correctly … It’s like there are no consequences for him, not on a plot level and not on a character level (as in him and the show not really owning the terribleness of the things he’s done in that ep by woobifying him at the end). He reminded me a lot of Stefan in that regard.

            Actually, he reminded me of both Salvatores because all of his guilt is directed at Elena and Elena only. She is the one who gets an apology. And I don’t mean to imply that she shouldn’t have gotten one. I mean, the guy had her held hostage. But what about Abby and Bonnie? No mention. And this makes his ‘moral revelation’ less genuine.

            Having said that, I really liked that the show pointed out that Elijah is not really this noble, moral guy, that it is much more complicated than that. I didn’t expect this after the previous episode and Esther sighing over how moral Elijah is. (And really, how did we get from Esther’s line about Elijah being “so moral” to her telling him that he is no better than his siblings in this ep? Sometimes it feels like these writers are writing against each other – as if the writer of this episode read the script of ‘Dangerous Liaisons’ and went, “No, this characterization of Elijah isn’t right. I’ll right it in my script.”) So this was good, it’s just that it was undermined at the end of the ep.

            • One thing I don’t like about Elijah’s letter/epiphany about himself is that it came after he got everything he wanted. Which is so convenient. It’s like him having his cake and eating it too. First he gets what he wants (put a stop to Esther’s plan) and then he immediately ‘repents’, which so easy because he just got everything he wanted. … I feel like I’m not explaining this correctly

              You’re explaining it just fine because it’s exactly how I feel when talks of Stefan and Damon feeling guilty or apologizing for what they did to Bonnie and Abby come up. It’s easy to say you’re sorry once the (irreversible in this case) deed is done. They got what they wanted, Elena is alive. Would they really have done different if they could do it over again? For Bonnie’s sake?

              Yep, I agree. And that was the same problem with Damon’s “redemption” (because that’s the language that was used) last season. He was only sorry in front of one person when he’d hurt a lot more people who were still alive and could use his apology.

              Yeah, I was both glad and surprised at Esther’s line about Elijah. And the thing is they didn’t even tell us why she changed her mind. I mean, she had no cause to lie in front of Finn. Also, it’s weird because Esther says she wished the other kids were more like Elijah yet Kol calls Finn the preferred son. What?

              • I feel like Elijah was almost like a third Salvatore brother in this ep.

                It’s easy to say you’re sorry once the (irreversible in this case) deed is done. They got what they wanted, Elena is alive. Would they really have done different if they could do it over again? For Bonnie’s sake?

                I agree with this so much. They would do it all over again in a heartbeat because they have this Elena >>> everybody else mentality. So how sincere would an apology be anyway? And I feel like we’re beyond apologies at this point.

                Unfortunately, I don’t think this mentality of theirs will ever change, as I get the impression that the show itself doesn’t view it as problematic/sth that needs to change. Which is highly frustrating – and not only because it means that other characters (esp. Bonnie) will be thrown under the bus again and again in the name of ‘epic love’ (ugh) but also because it does nothing for Damon/Stefan’s characters. Like, aside from the grossness of it all, this single-mindedness of theirs is not interesting for me as a viewer and doesn’t get me invested in them as characters and their relationships with other characters.

                Also, it’s weird because Esther says she wished the other kids were more like Elijah yet Kol calls Finn the preferred son.

                You’re right. I didn’t even notice this.

                • And I feel like we’re beyond apologies at this point.

                  Me too. Just take the punishment. I think apologies are not the point and would not cover the depth of what they did

                  They’re static and they don’t grow. Olu pointed it out and it’s true. I wonder how much of these same conversations will be repeating in season 4 *____*.

    • And like – I think someone else already mentioned this – when Elena asked Bonnie if there was a way to stop Esther from channeling her, I thought for a second that she was concerned about her. But nope. For some unfathomable reason she is concerned about Elijah. It is so sad.

      Not only that but she told Elijah that his mother was going to murder him and his siblings. She knows that Elijah is loyal to his siblings because she knows what happened during the sun/moon ritual. She also knew that Bonnie was helping Esther. Given all of that, I simply cannot fathom how she did not foresee Elijah trying his best to stop the ritual and how that would put Bonnie in danger. Did she seriously think that Elijah would accept this quietly? I know that Elijah might have killed or tortured her if she didn’t tell him but Bonnie is always willing to die and suffer for Elena. She didn’t even try very hard. She *wanted* to tell him because she was only thinking of him in that moment.

    • The show is consistent in doing this and I don’t know why. And the thing is Elena never tells these people to stop. She never tells them they’re wrong. She never tells them she’s changed or is changing. She just accepts the compliment.

      It’s not Elena’s fault that Damon and Stefan did what they did, but she was a right dumbass in this episode. She did everything to ruin Bonnie’s plan and nothing to help. Elena would die for her friends. Yeah? When the hell is she going to start? Elena would put her friends first. Yeah? When the hell is she going to start? From her abandoning being there for Bonnie because Lexi said she could help with Stefan to this: flying in the face of Bonnie’s plan to hang out with Elijah because what? She thought her doe eyes and whispery voice were going to keep him from handing out consequences for what she did? She was such an idiot in this episode. Has she ever been an asset to a damn plan? When was the last time that happened?

      I hope his ass stays gone too.

      • She did everything to ruin Bonnie’s plan and nothing to help.

        It wasn’t even Bonnie’s plan. It was Elena and Esther’s plan. That is the really galling part. It is not like Bonnie came up with the plan and Elena disagreed with it. The time to tell Elijah was *before* Bonnie was in the middle of executing that plan. The option to tell Elijah should have been off the table *while* Bonnie was off preparing for the ritual. At the very least, she should have texted Bonnie when Elijah came to her house. People say that Elena has tunnel vision but this seems to be on another level. She seemed so dumb and self-absorbed. How this might affect Bonnie didn’t even occur to her. It is like she simply *cannot* focus on two things at once. She was worried/feeling guilty about Elijah so that was the only thing she *could* think about. It is like the girl literally cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

        All of this might seem like I am giving the Salvatores a free pass. Trust me, I am not. They are so gross but they did exactly what I expected them to do. They are psycho killers obsessed with Elena. Elena’s dumbassness bothers me more because the show keeps telling me that Bonnie is her bff. Near the end of season two, the show kept insisting that she would die for Bonnie.

        OMG! I am soooo bitter over a tv show/character. I need help. I wonder what treatments are available for this insanity.

        • The option to tell Elijah should have been off the table *while* Bonnie was off preparing for the ritual.

          Agreed.

          It is like the girl literally cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

          Lmao! This is so often true.

          Elena’s dumbassness bothers me more because the show keeps telling me that Bonnie is her bff.

          This! I’ve got the Salvatores’ number. It’s easy for me to want Bonnie to kill them. But Elena is just more…galling.

          Near the end of season two, the show kept insisting that she would die for Bonnie.

          Damn. Remember in season 2 episode 18 when Bonnie was like, “If the situation was reversed, would you do it for me?” Well I guess the answer depends on whether or not there was a something else to distract her. Since it’s obvious she can’t think ahead.

          Lmao.

      • The show is consistent in doing this and I don’t know why.

        I saw someone arguing that this actually happened twice in this episode. First, at the beginning of the episode, when Elijah tells her that it’s not in her nature to be deceitful, etc.
        Then, towards the end of the episode, we have the scene where Caroline tells Elena that Bonnie doesn’t want to see her. A scene which does not put Elena in the best light, so to speak. So what happens next? We get the scene where Elena reads Elijah’s letter in which he writes that Elena’s compassion is a gift or sth like that. – Is this a very cynical reading? Yes, it definitely is, but I think that person does have a point.

        She thought her doe eyes and whispery voice were going to keep him from handing out consequences for what she did?

        Apparently. It was so weird when she went “I’m sorry, I wish I could help. *doe eyes* What did she expect to happen? I don’t get her. At all.

        • I missed the “it’s not in your nature” talk. Elijah doesn’t know anything about Elena’s nature! It’s like the producers and writers read all the fan talk about the connection between Elena and Elijah, thought they’d written it into the show, and gave us their interactions in 3.15. They skipped about 50 steps.

          It was weird to me when she said, “I never meant for any of this to happen.” So unnecessary.

  22. Yeah, I don’t know either. It feels like the writers are directly talking to the viewers and telling as what to think of Elena. — Ahh, wait, this made me think of “The Dinner Party” where Elena tricked Elijah by stabbing herself and then him. So she already ‘deceived’ him once. This makes this line even weirder.

    It’s like the producers and writers read all the fan talk about the connection between Elena and Elijah, thought they’d written it into the show

    This! This reminds me of Damon/Alaric. You know, how they worked together twice in S1, the fans loved them and called them Team Blood and Beer, and then, in Season 2, the ‘creature known as Dalaric’ (thanks, Susan, for that phrase) emerged.

  23. I just really hate what crap this show has become, and what’s so sad is that that show used to be so freaking awesome,season 1&2 were really quality television at its best. Every episode got better than the last. What the fuck happened? This was my favorite television show and it sucks to see it go down hill. This show had so much potential for every character. Bonnie’s story, Tyler’s story, hell…Matt dealing with being alone and not having a family. But, instead the writers bring in the Orignial family and the supporting cast be damn. Don’t the writers/creators of the show realize that the supporting cast have fans who want to see them grow and have more of a storyline. And, don’t get me started on how they handled the Bonnie situation. It is like the writers are trying to squash her fanbase by giving her less screen time. What the fuck are they so afraid of? It seems like when Kat/Michael won best scene stealer the writers got scared that they were overshadowing the top three main characters and quickly put a stop to it. And, knowing the writers, I too believe that some scenes got cut in regards to Bonnie’s reaction to her mother being changed into a vampire. But, they don’t care about pissing off Bonnie’s fans as long as the audience they cater to is happy with the crap they are pushing. I wonder do even the actors of the show see what crap the writing has become, and some of there performances have been sorely lacking, but I also blame that on the writing because if you are fed shit then…

    This is what I want to happen…Season 4 opens up with Elena waking up and realizing that everything that happened in Season 3 was all a dream, that none of it really happened. And, Season 4 picks up were Season 2 left off. There…problem solved!

    • It seems like when Kat/Michael won best scene stealer the writers got scared that they were overshadowing the top three main characters and quickly put a stop to it.

      It’s weird. I would think if you had a cast member who won an award for portraying your work, you’d want to promote them. Give them, not more scenes, but more material to work with. Instead both Kat’s and Michael’s visibility went down. I can’t help but feel like that wouldn’t be the case had it been Candice.

      This is what I want to happen…Season 4 opens up with Elena waking up and realizing that everything that happened in Season 3 was all a dream, that none of it really happened. And, Season 4 picks up were Season 2 left off. There…problem solved!

      Lol. I remember when I thought it would be uphill from season 2. Oops. The only character I think is without a doubt benefitting from season 3 is Elena. I think the season has done great things for her.

  24. Btw we really should look closer at the synopsis the next time … they literally gave the most discussed plot of the episode away in the first line:

    A FLIP OF THE COIN — After starting her day with a startling discovery of Damon’s (Ian Somerhalder) latest indiscretion, Elena (Nina Dobrev) is frustrated to find that none of her friends agree with her on how they should react to the Original family’s internal power struggle. Once again caught up in the destiny of the Bennett witches, Bonnie (Kat Graham) and Abby (guest star Persia White) find themselves playing a part in a ritual to appease the spirits of nature. When Elijah (guest star Daniel Gillies) gives Damon and Stefan (Paul Wesley) a dangerous ultimatum that puts Elena in danger, they turn to Alaric (Matt Davis) and Meredith (guest star Torrey Devitto) for help with a plan that leads them to a terrible choice. Candice Accola also stars.

  25. Wow! Been reading this discussion and I thought I’d join and add my two cents. The way this show treats Bonnie is deplorable. I can’t even wrap my head around it. I so agree with those who said that Caroline got practically an entire episode to deal with her father dying and Bonnie literally got two seconds in which she stood behind a wall with a tear running down her face. Why do they do this to Bonnie? Why isn’t she as important as Caroline and Elena.Okay I understand Elena’s the lead and she’ll get most of the focus and attention but what about Caroline? Why is she more important than Bonnie? Why can’t the writers treat Bonnie the way they treat Caroline? Why is Bonnie always used as their plot device and they refuse to properly acknowledge her struggles. I have no doubt that Bonnie will probably go missing in the next episode and they’ll move on to the next big thing.

    It’s funny we’ve yet to actually Bonnie’s home, and it seems like Abby was transitioning in Caroline’s house (or something) but Meredith who’s new to the show already has an apartment. But we can never see where Bonnie lives, we’ve never been introduced to her dad. I would think now that Abby’s back, and she left her husband and child, we’d get a story-line in which we’d see these things being explored. Where is Bonnie’s dad? Why aren’t we seeing how he’s dealing with Abby being back in Bonnie’s life? Of course none of that matters, because the writers really have no clue how to write for Bonnie, or at the very least they do not want to.

    For them the most important characters are Elena, the Salvatore’s, Originals, and Caroline. If they’re not your favorite characters, you better believe you’re getting the short end of the stick. It’s quite sad the way they treat Bonnie’s character, and I honestly believe that if it weren’t for fans, Bonnie wouldn’t even have the little that she does. It took 2 years of fans complaining for them to introduce another family member/parent for Bonnie and even then the story-line sucks IMO. You can tell it’s not something they’re actually interested in telling, by the half-assed way it’s being told. They probably thought they could shut a few fans up by throwing us a bone. As a Bonnie fan, I’m truly saddened by this and it gets harder and harder to watch as the episodes roll by.

    I have to admit the way they treat Bonnie makes it hard not to resent some of the other characters. Especially Elena and Caroline, I can’t understand why they’re portrayed as better than Bonnie in every way. Why is it that Elena and Caroline have all these men running after them, and Bonnie is invisible to the male species unless it’s some random guest star (usually he has to be African American also)? Seriously? What are they trying to say? We’ve never gotten any of the regular male characters express any attraction toward Bonnie, but every Tom, Dick and Harry are all over the other two. Heck they’ve even went as far as to woobify their original vampires so that they can go crazy over Caroline and Elena, while Bonnie stands in the background like some kind of ugly duckling. Bonnie is beautiful and I think it’s disrespectful that the writers try and portray her as anything less. Why don’t they portray Bonnie as desirable? Why doesn’t she have men lining up to date her like the other two? Are you telling me as gorgeous as Bonnie is, the only person who fancies her is her best friends baby brother? Come on show!

    • Hi and welcome!

      The only thing we can hope for, of course, is that Bonnie’s voice comes in the aftermath (always in the freaking aftermath). Being afraid that fans will jump down’s Bonnie’s throat if she tells Elena how she feels is no excuse to have Caroline speak for her. Some of us actually want to see it. Imagine if it had been Caroline or Matt instead of Bonnie who told Elena that she couldn’t make decisions for Jeremy.

      It’s funny we’ve yet to actually Bonnie’s home, and it seems like Abby was transitioning in Caroline’s house (or something) but Meredith who’s new to the show already has an apartment.

      I noticed this too. Meredith just got here and we saw her apartment last episode. But we still don’t know what Bonnie’s foyer looks like. As for Abby transitioning at Caroline’s, I realized yesterday that it might be because (ignoring the fact that she’s not a vamp yet) she’d be kicked out of Bonnie’s house as soon as she transitioned. Bonnie’s dad owns the house, not Bonnie. Of course they could have said that in the show. And of course my theory might be shot to crap if we get to episode 17 and Abby’s in Bonnie’s house.

      I’m so freaking disappointed that we’re not going to get Abby and Bonnie’s dad on at the same time. We’d get them together if the producers were looking at this from a character drama standpoint, but they’re looking at it from a plot drama standpoint and since they haven’t figured out how to kill Bonnie’s dad yet (bitterness alert), they’re not going to bring him in. Not even a freaking mention.

      A regular character has expressed interest in Bonnie. Jeremy. Of course they then shot the relationship to hell in order to pander to shippers. Now a popular male character is a different story.

      • Yeah when it comes to Bonnie everything is developed from a plot stand-point the writers will never go out of their way to give her good drama or story-lines, which sucks because they don’t seem to have a problem doing that for others. If it doesn’t serve the plot in some way, don’t even think they’re going to waste their time writing something good for Bonnie. I guess I’ll just have to come to the sad reality that Bonnie’s just a plot point for them, because that’s the way they treat her. Any development of her character has to serve the plot, or else they don’t bother.

        I think if they were writing Bonnie from a different standpoint, the logical thing to do would be to bring in her father, and really deal with her family issues. There is a lot of story to tell there, they’re just not interested in telling it. Her dad clearly was against the witch stuff, her mom just came back after abandoning her all her life. Why would they just neglect that, why don’t we see Bonnie’s father being concerned about this? Heck we still don’t know if Bonnie’s dad is even aware that she practices magic. It gets ridiculous after a while, and it honestly makes Bonnie look like she doesn’t even belong in Mystic Falls, like she just disappears into the night when Elena, Caroline and the rest of the gang go home for the day. There’s no family, they hardly ever have her mention her dad, we don’t even know what kind of relationship they have. I honestly thought bringing in Abby would help on that front, but now they both are suffering from the same lack of development, like they don’t belong. Also, most of their dialogue is centered around stupid spells, and plot crap with the exception of that small scene when Bonnie expresses herself to Abby as they tried to open the coffin. That’s not what I had in mind when I thought about Bonnie’s story-line with her mom. IDK I guess there’s still a few episodes left, and I really hope Bonnie’s story gets better. I can only hope. :/

        • That’s not what I had in mind when I thought about Bonnie’s story-line with her mom.

          Who are you telling. The bare minimum that they’ve done with Abby/Bonnie so far is fine, but I wish they had made it into as big a deal as her fans did. What I mean is I wish they had played the story up the way we have for three seasons.

    • Julisa said: “Why don’t they portray Bonnie as desirable? Why doesn’t she have men lining up to date her like the other two? Are you telling me as gorgeous as Bonnie is, the only person who fancies her is her best friends baby brother? Come on show!”

      Very true…great observation. 🙂 And I noticed that Jeremy/Bonnie didn’t have a heavy makeout/sex scene like Jeremy/Vicky and Jeremy/Anna did. And every other couple on this show has had. I’m not trying to be a pervert here, but it was still a noticeable omission. The show does treat Bonnie as less desirable. :/ Before Jeremy showed interest in here, I hated how the few other guys who did, had ulterior motives & were using her in some way. This also gave the impression that Bonnie couldn’t attract genuine admirers. And it really sucks that Jeremy ultimately chose GhostAnna (I liked Anna but still…) over Bonnie.

      I remember reading some speculation that the showrunners gave Bonnie & Matt some scenes to test their potential romantic chemistry? Anyone hear more about that? I guess they decided Matt was gonna keep waffling between Caroline and Elena though, with a little bit of Rebekah thrown in. Not that I want Bonnie to be *another* guy’s third-choice love interest anyway! And she deserves way better than Matt. (Sorry jajp92 and other Matt lovers ;))

      • Oh no no, I’m with you there just on principle. Matt’s dated her two best friends, logically she should know way too much about his love life as I’m sure Elena and Caroline would gush/complain to her about him. I was thrilled when JP said those scenes were just two people connecting.

  26. I wonder what Lucy was thinking as Esther was channeling the entire Bennett line. She must have felt it. I wonder if she got a feeling that MF was the source of this B.S but refused to investigate because she loves living too much.

  27. ”Who are you telling. The bare minimum that they’ve done with Abby/Bonnie so far is fine, but I wish they had made it into as big a deal as her fans did. What I mean is I wish they had played the story up the way we have for three seasons.”

    I feel like the only reason Abby finally showed up was just a way to quiet down the people who were complaining about Bonnie not having any sort of family around.
    Abby will probably get killed off near the end of the season and Im sure we will be seeing Bonnie’s dad in season 5.
    I think they should have at least written a convo here or there about him always being away for business because right now it does seem like he is a clueless/uncaring dad.

    • I feel like the only reason Abby finally showed up was just a way to quiet down the people who were complaining about Bonnie not having any sort of family around.

      I can’t even argue with this. *Sigh.*

      • I’m detecting a really bad pattern on this show (shocker!) … where the writers do something to supposedly appease fans, but it ends up making things worse and angering us instead.

        Gay viewers clamoring for gay characters since the show began… KW promises it’ll happen… finally delivers… and makes the character a bigot who uses aversion therapy/torture. Offensive. Minimizes the fact that Bill’s gay… throwaway line about not seeing his boyfriend anymore… then… dead. The only gay character demonized and killed off? That’s progressive! Gay viewers not pleased.

        Book fans clamoring for favorite character, Meredith. KW promises she’ll show up eventually…keep watching! Meredith arrives, in name only. Wrong age, wrong personality…and apparently a psycho serial killer. Meredith fans rejoice! No they don’t.

        Bonnie fans clamoring for her family and more backstory. Cousin Lucy arrives and vanishes in same ep. Mother Abby arrives and “killed” soon after… will they get more scenes together now that she’s a vampire? Does this mean more or less chance of Abby being written off the show? Bonnie’s dad and homelife still a mystery. Bonnie fans not pleased.

        So, are the showrunners sadistic or stupid? Do they tease fans with promises they have no intention of truly delivering on, knowing that it’s all about stringing people along to maintain ratings? Or do they really think they’re doing a good job? 😛

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