I hope we all realize nothing happened in this episode. Except Klaus became more ridiculous, and Caroline’s starting to join him.

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99 thoughts on “I hope we all realize nothing happened in this episode. Except Klaus became more ridiculous, and Caroline’s starting to join him.

  1. I´m still rolling on the floor because of this ridic crap … I can´t. Unbelievable.

    Voted for Rebekah, liked her dress the most.

    But besides the sl which wasn´t there … what was going on with the music? It never fitted the scenes or it was too loud for example that song when Elena came into the ball room and Damon looked at her.

    Missed that DE scene … so I don´t know what happened there?

    • As usual, I didn’t pay attention to the music.

      But yeah, nothing happened in this episode. Klaus/Caroline just got more and more absurd the more scenes they had. Does JP really in her heart of hearts believe this is good writing? Caroline Dries wrote this episode so that goes for her too.

      Damon said he loved Elena (he said it while frustrated) and Elena went, “Maybe that’s the problem!” which I guess means she doesn’t love him, so Damon is now spiraling.

      There was a lot of paternalistic crap going on in this episode.

      • Does JP really in her heart of hearts believe this is good writing?
        she doesn’t care, she’s living the dream!

        LOL DAMON CRY PANTS. Spiraling into Rebeka’s vagina. I liked her face BTW. ;D

      • “Klaus/Caroline just got more and more absurd the more scenes they had.”

        Oh my, yes! But it was hilarious. Klaus has zero social skills despite living forever. He’s so desperate and pathetic. “Oh, you like horses? Me too! Me too! But you know what? Someone was really mean to me once and killed my horsie. I’m sad. You’re pretty. Wanna make out?”

        Kevin Williamson is less involved in the show these days, right? There’s no way he would’ve had a major event like a ball, with no body count. Teasing us with Matt’s almost-death…Shame on you, writers! I knew he was safe, but I dared to dream for a second, because… *someone* has to die, right? Wrong. 😦 Neck-snappings of self-healing vamps don’t count, of course.

        This episode was like bad fanfic. Suddenly we’re in a cheesy romance novel where Spunky Caroline spurns the advances of the Cruel (But Sad Inside) Lord of the Manor, who is of course, very impressed that at last he’s found someone who tells it like it is, and can’t be bought. So he draws her a picture of a pretty pony. (!!!!!!!!!!) And Elena is delightfully capricious with all her suitors! She wants Damon to care less and Stefan to care more. Okiedoke. (So I guess she forgives Stefan for the whole trying-to-kill-and-vamp-her-at-the-scene-of-her-parents-death thing?)

        And Elena probably just condemned all vampires to Original Witchy Mama’s wrath (hey it’s not just *her* children who are abominations, after all… why should she stop with them?) but that’s okay. This will be the show’s excuse for not killing off the Originals after all, won’t it? Sigh.

        • Suddenly we’re in a cheesy romance novel where Spunky Caroline spurns the advances of the Cruel (But Sad Inside) Lord of the Manor, who is of course, very impressed that at last he’s found someone who tells it like it is, and can’t be bought.

          Lmao. Maybe if Klaus wasn’t as asexual as Stefan and had managed to be interested in more than one woman in one thousand years, he would’ve already found someone (more than one someone) who tells him like it is.

          I think you’re right that someone would’ve died if KW had had a hand in this episode.

          • I wonder if Julie Plec gets “inspired” by those horrid (never read ’em but still…) Jane Austen With Vampires books? More stately old-timey waltzes! More vulnerable vampires who just need twue wuv!

            Meanwhile Kevin Williamson is so frustrated he’s developing a new show about a serial killer. 😛 (May I suggest the first victim be a character named Truly Dreck?) 😉

            • Probably, she reads them after a long day in the writers room to get more inspiration for the next day.

              Meanwhile Kevin Williamson is so frustrated he’s developing a new show about a serial killer. 😛

              Lmao, do you think he developed that serial killer sl for Mystic Falls too?

              (May I suggest the first victim be a character named Truly Dreck?) 😉

              *dead*

      • Klaus/Caroline just got more and more absurd the more scenes they had. Does JP really in her heart of hearts believe this is good writing? Caroline Dries wrote this episode so that goes for her too.

        True, don´t know what she was thinking about most of the dialog last night.
        I ask myself if JoMo wants to turn back time and erase all his talk about a love interest with the writers. I can´t believe that this is something he really wanted. His character can´t get anymore ridic.
        I speculated on fanforum that with all the premise of an action-packed ball episode it would be really anti-climatic if we see Klaus showing Caroline his hobbies like finger paintings from the 16th century or so on … I was close with my assumption about his love for drawing, in the end the episode was over-hyped and their scenes at least gave me a good laugh for the night. I had to leave my room because I thought I could wake up my neighbour.

        Thanks for the info about the DE scene … my stream went off for some minutes.
        I saw it now and I also called Damon saving Matt, unfortunately my speculation about Finn and Mrs Lockwood was wrong. I´m sad, “at least” she could dance with sociopath.Stefan.

        Still can´t collect my thoughts about this whole Ayanna/Esther/Bennett connection, that wasn´t surprising, but I can´t find words to say how mad I am that they made the Bennetts basically power-donator for over 1000 years for the witch who created this whole mess.

          • It is really mostly his fault … I saw another interview with him in which he said that now comes something for what he was pushing all along *drum roll* his love interest.

            But I think he didn´t expect Caroline … I really think he thought he would be paired up with Bonnie or another witch. Considering his interviews from last year.

      • Does JP really in her heart of hearts believe this is good writing? Caroline Dries wrote this episode so that goes for her too.

        Yeah, it’s hard to believe that anyone would look at this and go, ‘This is what good writing looks like.’

        Btw, I think that fandom is underestimating Dries’ influence. It seems that now that KW has left the show, JP is No. 1 and CD is No. 2. And the way JP talks about Dries it seems that she is responsible for a lot of what’s wrong with this show.

        • Yeah, it’s hard to believe that anyone would look at this and go, ‘This is what good writing looks like.’

          But the majority of the fandom or the reviewers are falling for it. At least the reviews I read, but this could probably also be because they love Caroline so much and everything that revolves around her is perfect.

          Btw, I think that fandom is underestimating Dries’ influence. It seems that now that KW has left the show, JP is No. 1 and CD is No. 2. And the way JP talks about Dries it seems that she is responsible for a lot of what’s wrong with this show.

          That´s what I also think she is more and more involved in these previews they are making for every episode and she is writing more and more episodes, she will probably write 5 this season, she has already four.
          Also I saw in the credits this week that Michael Narducci now is a Co-Producer, don´t know much about the production process but doesn´t this mean that he also has a big influence on the show … until now I only thought he was a writer.

          • The reviewers singing the show’s praises is what really gets to me. I saw one reviewer call this ep the best of the season and gush over Klaroline. I don’t get it.

            A good part of this fandom blames JP’s creative vision for the state the show’s currently in. And not to discount JP’s importance (after all it’s her who has the final say) but I actually think it’s Dries’ creative vision we’re watching. I think it was Susan who once wrote that JP didn’t strike her as somebody with a strong creative vision and I tend to agree with that.

            Like you said, Dries is writing more and more episodes. Plus, there was this one interview in which JP talked about how thankful she is for Dries and all her great ideas. I wish I could explain it better but it sounded as if she was responsible for a lot of the things happening in S3.
            And maybe I’m unfair now, but I think it’s very telling she joined the show in late Season 1, the time when the quality of the show slowly began to drop when it came to the story-telling. (I mean, I like all of Season 1 but I know there are people who argue that it was around that time that the show’s downward spiral began and they make a pretty convincing case for it.) Like, “Isobel” was the second ep she co-wrote and that was the episode where Damon, out of the blue, handed over the device to Elena and where Isobel, out of the blue, declared that Damon was in love with Elena. And it’s this kind of inconsistencies we’re now having to put with on a weekly basis.

            • Thanks for the info… I get too annoyed by Julie Plec’s interviews to follow her closley. 😉 I’ll be happy to blame Caroline Dries too, but of course JP also sucks for having the bad taste to like her ideas, and disregard continuity.

              Are all TV reviewers paid off by the networks or something? I assume they lack integrity and critical analysis because they’re too concerned with getting “exclusive” spoilers and interviews and whatnot. Sad.

    • But besides the sl which wasn´t there … what was going on with the music? It never fitted the scenes or it was too loud for example that song when Elena came into the ball room and Damon looked at her.

      Yes!! I noticed this too. First in the scene you mentioned. When Elena entered the ball room and Damon looked at her longingly, it suddenly blasted “DEVOTION!!!!” Lol. All I could think was, ‘Stop the madness, show. We get it!”
      And then there was this totally unfitting song they played during the waltz. This emo pop song, the kind of which is in.every.single ep of TVD. So weird, lol. And also way too loud. I couldn’t understand the Stelena dialogue, which was maybe for the best, given how horrible the dialogue in this ep was.

      • it suddenly blasted “DEVOTION!!!!” Lol. All I could think was, ‘Stop the madness, show. We get it!”

        Lmao. This.
        It was horrible, because I think that was the webclip, right? But there was no music in the webclip and suddenly they have that ugly blasting in the background … and I´m already tuning out. Who choose the music for this episode?

        Also agreed about the waltz … I don´t know about what I was distracted more, these stiff dancing moves of all the actors or the horrible music.
        I think I didn´t get that dialogue because I was still laughing about Klaus/Caroline and her comment “I can dance” … no you can´t.
        But Stefan and Elena at least looked sexy together, I could feel the tension between them. It was better that I didn´t hear them talking, would have ruined it probably.

        • I was rolling my eyes at the fact that everyone knew the centuries-old waltz. It was so stupid. At least they practiced for Miss Mystic Falls. This here read like a comedy or a musical.

          • I just want to thank you all for making me laugh, even more than the ep did. 🙂 I love to laugh, so I guess I love this show! 😉 (No, I just love this site) And mocking the emo music… yes! I’ve always found it too loud and too emo. I mean… powerful and “epic”. 😛 Remember when Damon & Elena danced together at the Miss Mystic Falls pageant thingy? If I remember right, that song was also overbearing and lyrically anvillicious.

            Just for kicks, I googled “Klaus Caroline song” and apparently someone made a fanvid using … Love Shack? Sure, why not. If I knew how, I’d make one using the My Little Pony theme song. (Even better, do a goth/emo/vampirey cover of the My Little Pony theme song! C’mon, somebody do it!)

            • Aw, I love when you guys complement the side. Thank you so much.

              I was horrified at the Damon/Elena song, especially because it was a song I loved. But I’m pretty sure there have been worse musical cues since then.

  2. I mean there’s little for me to say beyond this episode was all the crack fic imaginable come to life.

    I’m so horrified by this Bonnie’s ancestors development and the WAY in which they chose to (not) tell that story, without Bonnie there, she will not get a choice in the matter and she will not get to own this narrative. And it’s just horrifying. I can’t believe how much I miss season two where she’s concerned because at least, then, I understood her and her choices for the most part even though the writers were sloppy as hell with it all.

    Now I’m just at a loss. And slightly depressed as well.

    I loved Elena in this for the most part, I’m enjoying this road she’s going on quite a bit.

    • Yeah. I saw the stuff about Esther and a witch’s journey on tumblr, but I just can’t muster up the drive to participate because I don’t have it in me to give her accolades or talk about her narrative when said narrative is crapping (in part) on Bonnie’s and the shady thing she’s been doing will never be acknowledged because the writers don’t see it as shady.

      Yeah, I miss season 2 too. This recent “reveal,” like the last (burial ground), has nothing to do with Bonnie. It’s just information to let the audience know how things are possible. I don’t want to hear that Ayanna was a good friend of Esther’s, I want to see Ayanna or hear her speak. If not, then let Bonnie speak. But no, she’ll probably come in next episode, ready to help Esther in her (Esther’s) narrative. Esther is a good thing for the witch narrative of the show, and that’s about it. Bonnie’s lost in that.

      • Since the show apparently has a “Cinderella fetish”, Bonnie should’ve been at the ball… she’s the show’s poor servant Cinderella *and* Fairy Godmother after all. 😉 I will write a fanfic missing scene (no I won’t) where Bonnie spells herself a dress made of fluffy clouds and sparkling stars! And then *she’s* the Belle of the Ball. 😉

        Seriously, the vampire ball was ridiculous but her absence from the ep was still so noticeable and annoying.

        • I’d read that fic, lol

          It was ludicrous that she was absent. Utterly ludicrous. You can’t have Bonnie, two episodes ago, saying that it’s “witch business” and that means it’s my business. And then have this episode and not have her be a player at the table.

          Again, the writers can’t help but overprioritize shipper stupidity re: the triangle and these two idiot brothers fighting for a girl rather than do what actually makes sense for the story and would be interesting. How much more dynamic would that scene have been if Bonnie had been present to find out about her ancestry and to actually ask the right questions where Esther’s plan is concerned? Now it just leaves room for everyone to be blind-sided when something of the plan is terrible or it doesn’t work. And Bonnie will no doubt be blamed for that happening even though she was never allowed any sort of decisionmaking power in it.

          I hate this show so much. Why am I still here?

  3. I will write a longer comment later but I have to get this of my chest before I go to work: The amount of hate Elena is getting after this ep is distressing. Not only because of this Delena scene (though that seems to be the main reason) but people are also mad at her for not warning Elijah? What?

    • I’m not sure why other people hate Elena, but I hate her for being a dumbass. 🙂 She doesn’t ask Esther any follow-up questions…just gives her blood? Sure, Esther could overpower her easily, but I still found her lack of curiosity and decision to trust her… dumb. It doesn’t occur to Elena that maybe Esther will want to kill all the other vampire abominations out there, such as vamps Elena supposedly cares about? Dumb. She still tries to reach out to Stefan after everything he’s done? Dumb. She hurt Damon’s feelings? I don’t really care about that. 🙂

      But it was rather inconsistent of her to admonish him for caring too much and then say the opposite to Stefan… and the way she favors Stefan bugs me. Sure, Stefan’s super-supportive of Elena’s right to make her own decisions. Except when he’s forcing blood down her throat and threatening to vampirize her against her will. 😛 Yes, Damon’s done that too. They’re basically even in terms of awful behaviour towards her, and how many people they’ve killed, etc. I just want Elena to acknowledge this and treat them the same way. And not date either of them. 😛

      Warning Elijah… well, I guess she doesn’t owe Elijah anything since he went back on his word to help kill Klaus way back when. But I’d probably respect her more if she told him *that*, outright, instead of promising to be honest about what Esther said/wants. Honestly, she’s not that good a liar and Elijah should be able to see through her anyway.

      • People are being super gross because Elena a) dared to slight Damon b) put fan favourite Elijah in danger. I can’t deal with it.

        I agree with you that it was dumb to trust Esther and not to ask *any* questions. But I don’t have it in me to blame her tbh. It was so over the top dumb that it’s hardly believable. I’m only mad at the writers and the way they go about to tell the story. This ep showed once again that these writers hate all of their characters.

        I’ve mentally checked out of the triangle stuff. It’s better that way.

    • This fandom is astounding.

      She owes Damon, Stefan and Elijah absolutely nothing. I agree with songspin that she should’ve asked for more of the fine print of Esther’s plan as that foresight will probably come to bite everyone in the behind.

      But I love that she “betrayed” Elijah. I’m enjoying this side of her journey a lot – like, she won’t survive if she’s a bleeding heart for every supposedly “honorable” vampire on the block, not to speak of the less honorable lot.

      Damon keeps trying to push Elena into a particular role in his self-narrative that is equal parts disturbing and delusional. She does not have to be the damsel to his knight, and even though she does get rescued a fair amount, I appreciate Elena actively trying to make her own agency. I honestly did laugh though at the false comparison between Damon and Stefan, and how Stefan supposedly respected her decisions way back when. (LOL @ the whole idea of that) Classic romanticization of a past that wasn’t as perfect and luminous as all that and also, part manipulation, imo – she wants to get him to feel, and she’s not above prodding for it.

    • I don’t get the hate as a result of Damon thing. Like, what? Nothing extraordinary happened between them.

      And why is Damon spiraling? Isn’t he the one who said, “It’s not right for now?” So why is he going crazy because Elena didn’t say, “I love you?” I also didn’t appreciate Elena trying to apologize for what she said.

      As for Elijah, I don’t really care about that either. I just kept trying to communicate to her to stop looking at him and being so obvious that she wants him to drink.

  4. I didn’t even watch this episode and I’m not all that sure I want to. And since Ayanna appeared I just knew she and Bonnie were somehow related. Did Klaus really draw caroline a picture? Word? Oh show…I shake my head at you.

  5. I wish Elena didn’t give a damn about ~betraying~ Elijah. When she gave him that look of regret…*siiigh*. Her remorse over “killing” Rebekah was enough.

    I agree with everyone who said that Elena should have asked Esther more questions. I was expecting her to ask how Esther planned to kill one of the Originals permanently. Also, what happens to all the other people who drink the bloody champagne?

    The only comment I have about Caroline/Klaus is that this show makes me so tired.

    STFU Stefan forever and ever. Spell his mouth shut Bonnie. And how is it that Elena is over what he did to her just a couple of eps ago? Why am I still surprised when Elena does stuff like this?

    Klaus is making me appreciate Damon more. Emo!Damon>>>>Emo!Klaus. God help me.

    Matt used to have insurance but now he doesn’t? I wonder if that means that something has happened to his mom. Wouldn’t he be on Medicaid or some similar program for the poor?

    • I think everyone else will be fine. I think the only people who will be affected are the people whose names she wrote down and who were linked by Finn’s blood.

      He was almost insufferable with his “Damon doesn’t let Elena make decisions” schpiel. Then again, the show has never acknowledged that Stefan is very overbearing. I haven’t forgotten season 2.

      Klaus is making me appreciate Damon more. Emo!Damon>>>>Emo!Klaus. God help me.

      Lol.

      Why was Matt even in this episode? Why, why, why?

      • Damon was actually my fave in this ep. This is surely a sign of the apocalypse. I think Elena is second. I actually voted for her in the poll. I liked the visual of her in that dark dress- mmm dark queen. She came to dance and join in a conspiracy to murder everyone who lives in the house. Mwahahaha 😛 I liked this show better when this character (or diff versions of her) was both the perpetual victim (Elena) and the monster behind it all (season 1- early season 2 Katherine). I really hope that Tatia makes an appearance and is a total psycho.

        • As much as I liked Elena (especially the part when she kinda manipulated Stefan into breaking Damon’s back lol), I didn’t like how pathetic she was with Stefan at the end.

          • Klaus is the comic relief. Obviously, the secret to Klaus is that he is actually 4 yrs old. He is like, I’M GOING TO DRAG AROUND MY BLANKIE/THE CASKETS. MOMMY DON’T LEAVE. I HATE DAYYYYYYYCARE! HERE’S A PICTURE — I LOVE YOU! BUT I WILL ALSO SHOW THAT BY CHASING YOUR AROUND AND BITING YOU AND SHIT. Come ON. He drew a horse to woo someone. I love how Caroline was eyeing the horse in the pic – like the horse is a stand in for Klaus.

                • Never leave us, Susan! You crack me up. 🙂 My god, he *is* a 4 year old.

                  I can’t wait til Klaus woos Caroline with a horse & carriage ride through the park (bonus points if they stop to bite some joggers), and then ride a horse together on the beach, as the waves crash around them! Klaus might even take Caroline to his stables to witness the birth of a cute little foal, and marvel over the joy of life. :*) Because he loves creating life…especially new species for his slave army. Soon he’ll show Caroline his sketches for the next great hybrid… self-healing vampire horses! Klaus has dreamed of this since the day he lost his beloved horsie, Roseblood.

    • Matt’s here ’cause he’s the heart and soul of the show! He’s the epitome of the Everyman Hero! The last pure, uncorrupted human… a shining example of smalltown nobility, who can melt a vampire’s heart by offering her his jacket. (Didn’t he give Caroline his jacket in season 1? Is this how he always picks up chicks? Hey, it’s better than Klaus’ methods)

      I laughed when he was complaining about insurance. 🙂 I just picture Eeyore now, when Matt speaks (which makes Matt much more loveable, trust me). “Oh great. Now my hand’s broken. Got no insurance. Figures. Everything happens to me.”

      I think it’s hilarious that he bothered to gripe to Rebekah about it, as if he *expected* sympathy? But I guess he knows that all the once-ruthless vampires on this show are really just softies who yearn for lurve.

          • Oh, I don’t know. If the tweens on twitter are demanding enough (“Kol’s sooo cute!”) I’m sure Julie Plec will be happy to keep him on the show and give him a couple love interests. 😉

            Kol reminds me of Jeremy with the brattiness towards his sister. 😛

            • That´s for sure.
              I did like him last episode (yeh the infamous three words) … don´t know why but I thought he was cute and weeks before I looked at the twitter page of the actor and thought he was really nice, sometimes I roll this way..
              But his character so far is a disappointment, he probably will die at the end of the season.
              I read somewhere, that they planned to give him a backstory with Damon in 1912, that is why Damon said something like “do I know you”, but they dropped that sl.

              Kol reminds me of Jeremy with the brattiness towards his sister. 😛

              That´s what I also thought.

              • Oh wow…They’ve dropped the Damon-recognizes-Kol-from-somewhere “mystery” *already*?! That’s gotta be a record! In the proud tradition of TVD’s many aborted storylines….

                I have nothing against KolActor… I’m sorry for him if he was looking forward to a meaty part as a psycho killer. He will be either woobiefied or dead soon. Maybe both. 😉

                I wonder if Kol will remind Bonnie of Jeremy too….:P See, I don’t know whether to be glad she’s not stuck in Romance Hell like everyone else…or annoyed that she’s not getting as much attention from potential love interests.

            • Kol reminds me of Jeremy with the brattiness towards his sister.

              *Gasps.* Take that back! Lol, yeah Jeremy did annoy me for a good part of season 1. At least he had his tragedy to back him up. Kol is how old? This is just part of his personality.

              • Haha, not that I think Elena’s been such a great sister to him. 😛 And I’m sorry to offend Jeremy fans. Of course Kol lacks Jeremy’s good qualities and tragic backstory …until the writers come up with some to “redeem” him as a love interest. 😉 Hmm…I wonder what it’ll be… Daddy issues… betrayed by a hussy he loved… traumatized by the death of a pet…

                All taken. 😦 How will Kol stand out?! (That’s ok, the writers don’t mind repeating stuff) I’m starting to suspect there might be too many characters on this show. 😉

      • He carried her home.

        I missed some of the dialogue on first watch. It was a .gif that revealed to me that Matt was drinking because he discovered or remembered that he has no insurance. Smh. I do like Matt, but this….ugh….there are better ways. I like him as the everyman but don’t devote an entre scene to that.

        I thought Rebekah caving because Matt gave her a jacket was so freaking stupid and it was at that moment that I wanted Esther to succeed and kill them all. Question: What does Matt have in common with the Ripper Rebekah fell for in the 20s? Someone let me know.

        • I don’t know about RipperStefan… but RegularStefan and Matt are both kinda mopey, self-righteous, self-pitying… oh and they both want Elena. Rebekah wasted her time joining the cheerleading squad and reallyreally wanted to go to prom, so I guess it’s consistent that she falls for the football star. Not consistent with that flashback of the 1920s though. Why’d the writers bother to introduce the Rebekah/Stefan thing if they were just gonna drop it so fast and pretend the relationship never existed? I know, I know. They do that a lot. Lotsa wasted story potential on this show.

          I would like Everyman Matt more, but I can’t forget how he was always putting Caroline down. Eeyore Matt is adorable though. 😉

          • That’s what I’m saying. When did her taste change, especially since she woke up wanting Stefan back. Why does her joining the cheerleading squad and wanting to go to the high school dance mean she also wants to date a guy who wouldn’t get into a fist fight unless he was defending someone? We all know she’d have to stop compelling and killing people and following Klaus if she were to go out with Matt.

            • If only Matt would show her the redemptive Power Of Love! (cue the song…and crank it up! ;))

              Matt is to Rebekah as Elena is to Damon… as Stefan was to Katherine! Caroline and Klaus… even Caroline and Tyler, although he wasn’t as evil, he *did* do some pretty assy things in season 1, to Vicky mostly. Lexie and Stefan, sorta. And Elena and Stefan, soon (but he had to go “bad” first, see.) The same dynamic over and over…ye gods, writers, get a clue and try something new.

  6. Did they retcon the Caroline/Elena friendship? I thought Caroline and Elena were frenemies until recently. Are they now telling us there was a time when Caroline was the first person Elena went to for everything? Ok fine. Maybe there was such a time. But that pre-season one. Why would Caroline expect Elena to be acting that way *now*? Why wouldn’t she expect that Bonnie would know before her (even without the issue of her history with Damon)? What is this guilt-tripping based on?

    • Did they retcon the Caroline/Elena friendship?

      Oh hon, they retconned that thing way back when Caroline said to Katherine, “You have me lying to my best friend” or something close enough. But this was worse. This tried to make it seem like Bonnie knowing anything regarding Elena before Caroline is abnormal and not how Elena and Caroline’s friendship operates. They seem to be going with my rant in 3.13.

      • The writers have forgotten (or want us to forget) season one. When Caroline was jealous of Elena and the fact that Bonnie & Elena were closer. Not to mention… I was *expecting* Caroline to say “Elena! How could you not tell me that you kissed Damon? Must be ’cause you know I’d tell you that you’re crazy to get involved with the monster who made me his puppet and abused me…btw, way to be a loyal friend, there!”

        I think it’s time for the writers to reveal the Shocking Twist that we’ve actually been watching an alternate universe version of these characters… or a nightmare that Bonnie’s having, or something. 😉 That’s why nothing makes sense! It’s not poor continuity and bad writing after all. (Just go with it, writers. I’m saving your butts here)

        Then we can go back to the season one “timeline”. Yeah! If ever a show needed to set the reset button… 😉

        • This can only be an alternate universe version of this show. Nothing else is possible. Just look at some of the bs characterization in this ep:

          – Elena telling Stefan that he’s always let her make her his own decisions (and in a tone as if we viewers should be going “Aww, Stefan, what a great guy, allowing his gf to make her *own* decisions”). Ugh, ugh, triple ugh. Kill it with fire.

          – Damon coming to the conclusion that he ‘cares too much’. What?!? This is actually funny. Or rather it would be funny if fandom wasn’t running with it.

          – Elijah being positioned as ‘moral’. Like, in the scene where Esther says: “Aww, Elijah, he’s so moral. *sigh*” Lol, good one. I know that this show has forgotten S2 but I’m pretty sure him killing Slater does not count as moral. Elijah has a strong sadistic streak and likes to trick people with his words. Or rather used to, before the writers fell in love with him and softened him up.

          I guess there’s more but this is my Top3. Anyway, this can only be an alternate universe.

          • Wasn’t that line so weird and just….something that shouldn’t have needed to have been pointed out if it was a natural part of their relationship? “You’ve always let me make my own decisions. It’s nice to see that hasn’t changed.” Yeah, except for episode 12 where he was chasing you because you didn’t think you should be making your own decisions until Klaus died. And then there was him witholding info about the coffins.

            Elijah has a strong sadistic streak and likes to trick people with his words. Or rather used to, before the writers fell in love with him and softened him up.

            This. I didn’t like that she said that. It was fine when Rebekah said it, but to have it repeated diminishes it. And I felt it reduced his character to a label. Like Elena’s compassion.

          • I don’t think Elijah is particularly sadistic.Certainly no more than any of the other vamps on the show (Damon and Stefan especially) I think he has a strong code, hence Trevor. He betrayed him and lied to him. Slater was understandable as well. He had too much information about the doppelganger and could have led Klaus to Elena sooner. In fact, the things we’ve seen Elijah do aren’t anywhere near as bad as the things we’ve seen Stefan and Damon (killing innocent humans, abusing innocent humans) do. We’ve never even seen him vamp out or feed on a human. So yeah, he’s pretty damn moral for a practically invincible vampire.

            • Wanting to kill that guy for 500 years. Strong code or sadistic? Little bit of both? He doesn’t hurt humans, but he does seem to condone what Klaus does. Not being as bad as Stefan and Damon is still being bad. He killed that cowering werewolf whereas he could’ve let him go. I doubt that guy was going to mount a revenge plot, and I’m sure Elijah could tell. I’m not saying I have a problem with what he did. I just don’t like this explicit coding of Elijah. We all could see that he was different, more controlled than any vamp we’ve seen. I don’t like the show giving him an official title for it.

            • I am not sure if murdering Slater was necessary. Elijah could have compelled him to not reveal the info he had, right? I am not entirely sure since I still don’t fully understand how compulsion works on the show.

              • Yeah, he could’ve done that. And Slater would have been under that compulsion until Elijah died. And besides, Slater was so scared. Lol. I can’t imagine him squealing unless he was forced.

            • I’d say the way he killed Slater – having him stake himself – was pretty sadistic. And the way the scene was played, Elijah was enjoying it, the power he had over Slater and Slater’s terror.

              I don’t have a problem with the things Elijah has done either. I just think that labelling him as the ‘moral one’ is an over-simplification and erases a lot of Elijah’s original characterization (before 2×19 happened).

  7. I have a question for those of you who have paid attention to how witchcraft works on the show

    Can Esther reverse the spell she did to turn her children into vampires? Can she make them human again? I think the show has already established that a witch can reverse her own spells (e.g. the day-walking rings). Is this different? If so, why?

    • I think this is different because it’s so widespread. She created a whole new species that has its own mechanisms to ensure its survival. I think even though vamps are an abomination against nature they are, I don’t want to say part of nature, but they’re part of the make-up of living organisms. I guess. I put way too much thought into this, but I don’t think the spell can be reversed. For one she’d need the white oak tree and most of that is gone. I think that’s why she’s focusing on killing her kids instead of turning them back into humans. After all, they’re already dead. If she tried to turn them back, they’d just be dead bodies.

  8. Okay a week and a half offline I feel like I missed so much.

    First:
    That photo what show is that photo from? Most of the people in that photo are GUEST STARS. What is this show, I know Bonnie fans were upset she wasn’t in the photo and episode. She wasn’t there nor was Jeremy or Tyler or Alaric just random ass people.

    Second:
    This episode was crap. I’m glad I wasn’t just being a sensitive Bonnie fan when it came to Caroline’s comments to Elena I had to do a double take. Okay show whatever will this crap.
    Now that Caroline is so popular and JP’s favorite she is now and has always been Elena’s best friend and vice versa.

    Third:
    I now get why Klaus is interested in Caroline. What would she be doing if Klaus wasn’t into her. The Mikealsons’ have taken over and it you don’t have a connection to them you are out. Caroline is Julie’s favorite and fandom’s favorite so she has to be around. Klaus having a interest in her makes her relevant to the story.

    Fourth:
    Yes I want all of the Mikealson’s dead ALL of them.

    • Welcome back!

      I’m still side-eyeing Caroline over that line.

      Now that Caroline is so popular and JP’s favorite she is now and has always been Elena’s best friend and vice versa.

      Pretty much. Like I said in the 3.13 podcast, they’re Julie’s Girls.

      I now get why Klaus is interested in Caroline. What would she be doing if Klaus wasn’t into her.

      So true. They’ll search high and low to keep Caroline front and center, and this Klaroline business was the easiest way to do it. I could mention Bonnie, but the show isn’t interested in bringing her front and center, so Klaus had to be Caroline’s door.

  9. So I’ve been lurking around and there really aren’t that many true Elena fans. There are Delena fans and Stelena fans and they love her/hate her, and defend her based on how she treats they’re favorite Salvatore brother.
    I knew Elena was going to get hate from Damon/Delena fans.

    Has Caroline gotten hate for being with Klaus and not Tyler? Probably not Tyler doesn’t matter outside of Forwood so he literally does not exist right now.

    • There really aren’t or they’re not that vocal or they’ve already quit the show. I realized that on rewatching season 2. She’s only awesome based on which brother she’s making happy. Let her do something that is a)for herself AND b)flies in the face of one brother and some people have something to say against her. She’s no longer “badass.”

      Probably not Tyler doesn’t matter outside of Forwood so he literally does not exist right now.

      This one. I haven’t seen anyone call Caroline outside her name yet. As a matter of fact I’ve seen some Forwood fans either jumping ship or being tempted to jump ship. I think that unlike Elena, people who ship Caroline care only about her current hookup, not what she can do for said hookup. Now I’m not sure what would happen if she “hurt” Klaus (I personally think they’d just see it as her being strong), but so far that seems to be the case.

    • <Has Caroline gotten hate for being with Klaus and not Tyler?

      Idk. But I heard that she got a lot of hate from Tyler/Forwood fans for 3×13 when she wondered if Tyler might be the killer because of his sire bond to Klaus.

      • Forwood fans are Caroline fans. I don’t know why I was I expecting people to be more wtf with Klaus/Caroline after this episode. I thought at least the Forwood shippers would be upset but there’s really no such thing as a hardcore Forwood shipper.

    • Like Alta and Emily said, I saw many Forwood fans who jumped ship but I also saw some Forwood fans who were angry because her acusing Tyler for killing her father.

      After this episode I only saw psoitive reactions to Caroline because she called Klaus out on his issues … I was side-eyeing her for this speach, but that´s only my opinion.
      You don´t try to understand a maniac killer hybrid (that´s Elena´s style) and especially don´t wear the ugly dress he bought for you only because you don´t have another one in your closet. That made her comment about “you can´t buy me” more than questionable. But I didn´t get most of the dialogue between those two, because everytime Klaus showed up on screen I had to laugh.
      I´m also side-eyeing Candice interviews in regards to this topic. She spoke about now being in the team to kill Klaus because what he did to Tyler. Tyler is a hybrid since episode 5, they know about the sire-bond since episode 6 – why now? And I don´t think that going to a ball with Klaus and learning more about Klaus hobbies helps them to kill Klaus. If she is in the team she should have scenes with Bonnie/Abby and the Salvatores (urgh) because they are the people who tried to work against him, but I don´t think she had any meaningful scenes with Bonnie (besides that little bit in Our Town) since Ghost World.

      For the most part the fans and reviewers are excited about this development, I only saw some Klaus fans who didn´t want him to fall in love complain about it. And the Klaus/Bonnie shippers. Yep I´m still bitter about that he didn´t show an interest in Bonnie, but if the show planned to do it this way, then I´m happy that it isn´t Bonnie.

      I didn´t read any reviews when Bonnie and Jeremy became an item, how did they react to this development? It came out of nowhere but I could understand it because they knew each other their whole lifes and now were thrown into this new situation but with Klaus and Caroline and especially this strong reaction from Klaus (I fancy you, you are so strong, beautiful etc.) I can´t buy it.

      • That made her comment about “you can´t buy me” more than questionable.

        Yeah, it just seemed like lip-service.

        People were surprised at Bonnie/Jeremy. They either said that it came out of nowhere, that they didn’t have chemistry, etc. Not as many people were talking about it as are talking about Caroline/Klaus and they definitely didn’t come around to it as quickly as they did Caroline/Klaus.

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