TVD Hiatus Post! AKA “WHY?”

Remember that paper I talked about completing before Thanksgiving break? I’m taking a 2 minute break from writing it (it’s due tomorrow).

I’ve been thinking over the season and those things/hints that went nowhere/never developed into more. An obvious one that has been mentioned is the 20s flashback. There was no point in making Rebekah and Stefan have a romantic past. None. And…what was the point of Rebekah? I mean really. What did she do? What was her purpose? I feel like the romance was more to give Stefan some back history, never mind the fact that they didn’t go anywhere with it. Events would not have changed that much if she wasn’t in the season. And what was the point of her threatening to take Caroline’s life, including her boyfriend? That went nowhere. And since it was said in the first half of the season, it would make sense for something to happen in the first half of the season.

Why was Elena’s necklace a talisman? Why? Was that really the best they could do? They wanted to make it so the witch had a foothold in the mortal world, so they go and take an object we’ve grown used to, and make it magical. Why? And why won’t Elena put that necklace away afterward? She gave it to Rebekah but that was a decoy. You know that thing will be back around her neck. They couldn’t have found a random necklace? I would have preferred if it was an object we’d never seen before. The most the necklace did was help Bonnie send the ghosts back which, fine. But better question…why wasn’t it destroyed? I highly doubt they’re going to continue with the “The necklace is magic” thread. The music was so ominous when it came back, there was even a voice that said “Kill Klaus.” But the show didn’t so much as tell us if Bonnie heard the voice.

Klaus is still alive. What are the chances the Original witch/Esther will still be trying to kill him when we come back from hiatus? Lol.

The thing that bothers me the most (and what prompted this post) is the grimoires catching on fire. Am I really supposed to believe Vicky caused that? Why did she cause it? How did she have the ability to cause it? She needed a joint and gasoline to set the car on fire. I feel like the books caught on fire simply because the writers wanted to break up the scene, they wanted to have something happen, so they set the books on fire, and brilliantly thought of making Vicky the culprit. Why couldn’t it have just been the witch? Bonnie had the necklace with her. The books could’ve caught on fire, and then the necklace would float, and Bonnie would know witchcraft is afoot. But I guess that might’ve given her something to do, and that obviously wasn’t the point of the first half.

Why did Vicky break the window? Because she didn’t want Anna talking to Jeremy? Except she went on to not care about Anna talking to Jeremy? Anna kept saying Vicky had a darkness, but she didn’t do anything about it. She was off on the other side pushing to see Jeremy again while Bonnie took care of Vicky and Matt helped. I thought there might have been a confrontation between Anna and Vicky or something.

Why was Jeremy with Katherine when she found Mikael? He went on to mention the guy about zero times once he got back to Mystic Falls (and did he hike or call Elena for a ride? Because Damon rode with Katherine). He wasn’t even there when the guy died. Why did he need to be there? I saw a still that looked like Jeremy had blood on his collar, suggesting Mikael had bitten him. Thank God they didn’t go for that, because I know they wouldn’t have addressed on Jeremy’s end. He just would have gotten beat up one more time. And while I’m on Jeremy, why did Vicky ask for his help? Seriously, she should’ve just been appearing to Matt the whole time. But then the storyline might have ended quicker, and that wasn’t an option.

I’m fully prepared to roll my eyes big time if there is no more ice cream bonding between Jeremy and Matt now that the Vicky storyline is over.

Why were the caves located on Lockwood property? Tyler hasn’t said one word about them. Does he even know about them? What was the point? So Mason could lead Damon to them? So Taylor Kinney could have something to do since it was imperative to bring him back in an episode they were sure Michael Trevino would be missing?

I feel like asking about the point in Carol now knowing Tyler’s a werewolf, but I’ll abstain.

What was the point of making Klaus and Stefan friends? So Klaus could talk to Stefan like he knows him? I really think that’s the reason. Not only did their dynamic not change after Stefan remembered, but Klaus left town and we haven’t gotten one reference in the present in regards to private things they might know about each other, aside from Klaus knowing where Stefan’s apartment in Chicago is located.

Are there any scenes, actions, or interactions you thought would lead somewhere but are now realizing were pointless?

 

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69 thoughts on “TVD Hiatus Post! AKA “WHY?”

  1. I should be writing my paper.

    Everything you mentioned. It’s as if the writers don’t know that setting relationships and plots up requires 1) actual set up 2) development and 3) follow through.

    What was the point of making Klaus and Stefan friends? So Klaus could talk to Stefan like he knows him? I really think that’s the reason. Not only did their dynamic not change after Stefan remembered, but Klaus left town and we haven’t gotten one reference in the present in regards to private things they might know about each other, aside from Klaus knowing where Stefan’s apartment in Chicago is located.

    Of the many failures of the Stefan storyline so far this season, it’s the way they’ve failed to make use of this story. So they don’t want Stefan to articulate anything. Cool. That’s a stupid idea, but they give us Klaus, who knew Stefan at his darkest, who apparently thought enough of him to protect him (from a non-threat, but that’s more of a scene leading nowhere situation than anything else) and who, waited, on chance, for whatever reason, to bring Stefan back to his side. And instead of teasing him or trying to remind him of the time they spent together or telling him that he knows better than to believe his self-rightousness (so on etc. “Stefan you are crazycakes!”), he bitches about Stefan bitching. Okay. Waste of a storyline. And I honestly, that part of the reason has something to do with their aversion to showing men feeding off men in the same sickly intimate manner that they do for men feeding off women or Katherine feeding off dudes. Which explains to a certain extent, Rebekah’s existence. Though not the need for her having a romantic relationship with Stefan. I thought they, Klaus specifically, would call bullshit on Stefan’s his “goodness”.

    Remember when the writers crammed more meaning into Damon’s and Stefan’s relationships with Bree and Lexi, in solitary episodes than they’ve done this season?

    There was no point for the Matt/Jeremy friendship. I wish they’d set it up so Matt could only talk to Vicki through Jeremy and vica-versa, until Ghost World. Maybe they could have set it up so Vicki and Matt were trying to find ways for her to stay.

    No idea why Vicki set anything on fire or broke any windows since she gave no shits about Jeremy the second she spoke to Matt, despite his not hearing her.

    Remember when Vicki and Anna were supposed to have messages for Jeremy/unfinished business?

    And while I’m on Jeremy, why did Vicky ask for his help? Seriously, she should’ve just been appearing to Matt the whole time. But then the storyline might have ended quicker, and that wasn’t an option.

    There was a way for the storyline to transpire that would not have necessitated Vicky asking for Jeremy’s help. Or something like that. I forgot what I was saying. Um, if they wanted to have the ghost appear, then they could have had Bonnie around in the first four episodes, with Jeremy telling her what was going on, and maybe one of the spells she attempted went wrong and then little by little people had to deal with “ghosts from their past” so Jeremy could have…maybe an Anna situation, but I would have enjoyed an Uncle John, setting him on the Gilbert family path situation, Matt dealing with Vicki, Bonnie dealing with Grams, and Elena possibly dealing with her parents, etc., but the magic is messy because of the consequences Bonnie has to face and the Original Witch, so the ghosts are coming in and out and the interactions are limited, based primarily on how often the ghosts/humans think about each other. Is this making sense? They should have made the ghost!plot the plot of the first half of the season and then had Klaus (and later Stefan) introduced little by little into the story.

    Elena’s necklace should not have been the talisman. Remember when Rebekah referred to her mother’s necklace as the necklace of the Original Witch? smh. I think Bonnie should have found a talisman or let’s make Alaric useful or one of the many Founders journals/Isobel’s research useful and have them discover the talisman in Isobel’s research…since she would have come in closer contact with the Originals than the Founders and they would have found it and not known what it was, only that it was important. If they wanted to introduce the idea of Bonnie’s mother coming in early, without bringing her in early, then maybe we could get some idea of what she was running from and the talisman could remain important in that sense. So it wasn’t connected to Elena or the Salvatores but to either 1) the Original Witch (not Esther) or 2) some other such powerful figure.

    • Follow through! Follow through is their biggest problem!

      Why did Klaus even want Stefan to remember? It’s not like the situation was: unbeknownst to him, Stefan knew the location of the object Gloria needed to contact the original witch, so he needed to compel Stefan’s 1920s memories back. Remember when Klaus was all, “You’ll find out why I’m keeping you with me when I say so.” Why was he keeping Stefan with him? He’s not psychic so it’s not like he knew he’d eventually need to leave Stefan in Mystic Falls to protect Elena.

      I thought they, Klaus specifically, would call bullshit on Stefan’s his “goodness”.

      Nope, Klaus is buying it as a legit thing despite meeting Stefan while he was a Ripper. He says things like Stefan’s humanity is killing him, like it’s at all legit. I guess Rose knew more about vampire switches than Klaus? Is that even still canon? That vamps lose their switch around Damon’s age? Do the producers even remember they established that?

      Remember when the writers crammed more meaning into Damon’s and Stefan’s relationships with Bree and Lexi, in solitary episodes than they’ve done this season?

      We got a whole history with Lexi/Stefan in one episode with many references to things they’d done and people they met. Bree summed up her relationship with Damon in one scene and you got a sense of their rapport. They showed us a couple of nights with Stefan/Klaus/Rebekah and decided to leave it at that, as if they spoke for themselves or something.

      Remember when Vicki and Anna were supposed to have messages for Jeremy/unfinished business?

      Lmao. Neither of them gave Jeremy a message. Remember when the ghost storyline wouldn’t be all about reconnecting with loved ones? Except that’s exactly what it was about, and it was good in Vicky’s case but not so much Anna’s.

      so the ghosts are coming in and out and the interactions are limited, based primarily on how often the ghosts/humans think about each other. Is this making sense?

      Yes, it’s making sense because saying Jeremy could control when he sees the ghosts and he had to have a connection made it seem like it was a power he had instead of something that was happening to him as a result of magic. They made it seem like it was a power he could perfect.

      Or it could have been in the Lockwood’s mist! We already know they steal everything. And we know Damon hid Emily’s talisman with them. Since they wanted to “bring” Carol Lockwood into the story why not have her and Tyler talking about his werewolf stuff, or maybe she’s going through some of Richard’s old stuff/knick knacks and looking at them threw new eyes now that she knows the secret, and she runs across the talisman. How would it get there? Well….they later went and had the “ancient Lockwoods” draw the story of the Originals on the caves, so they could have stolen/kept the Original witch’s talisman when she eventually died.

      • Why did Klaus even want Stefan to remember? It’s not like the situation was: unbeknownst to him, Stefan knew the location of the object Gloria needed to contact the original witch, so he needed to compel Stefan’s 1920s memories back. Remember when Klaus was all, “You’ll find out why I’m keeping you with me when I say so.” Why was he keeping Stefan with him? He’s not psychic so it’s not like he knew he’d eventually need to leave Stefan in Mystic Falls to protect Elena.

        Apparently, he wanted his friend back. What they could have done was scrap the backstory and have them become friends over that two month period, however unsure Stefan felt about it. There should have been some sense of loyalty in him. Or keep the backstory and have it create an affect in the present day + have Stefan know something about whatever Klaus’s goals were, whether he knew Stefan’s goals or not. Like maybe Stefan could have known a witch, but never have given Klaus the information he needed or Klaus didn’t realize he needed it then or something. As nice as it is *eyeroll* for Klaus to have wanted his friend back, if that was going to be the reveal then it should have occurred either over several episodes or he should have actually gotten his friend back.

        Nope, Klaus is buying it as a legit thing despite meeting Stefan while he was a Ripper. He says things like Stefan’s humanity is killing him, like it’s at all legit.

        This doesn’t even make sense. He saw Stefan’s list. He knows about Monterey, presumably from Stefan himself. Stefan wasn’t hiding his crazy pants. Are we supposed to believe he never checked on Stefan again or that he is so dumb that his memories of bonding with a sociopath were skewed towards that idea that Stefan is essentially a good person? Because that is bad. That is awful. Why do the writers hate pacing and storytelling and smart people?

        Is that even still canon? That vamps lose their switch around Damon’s age? Do the producers even remember they established that?

        One assumes she would have learned it from them. Nope. Nope. The producers barely remember the end of s2. So no. Do the Originals even have switches?

        Did they fire some writers? Is that what happened?

        Since they wanted to “bring” Carol Lockwood into the story LOL.

        why not have her and Tyler talking about his werewolf stuff, or maybe she’s going through some of Richard’s old stuff/knick knacks and looking at them threw new eyes now that she knows the secret, and she runs across the talisman. How would it get there? Well….they later went and had the “ancient Lockwoods” draw the story of the Originals on the caves, so they could have stolen/kept the Original witch’s talisman when she eventually died.

        This makes far too much sense to ever occur on TVD.

        • Why do the writers hate pacing and storytelling and smart people?

          Lmao! I’m guessing that in Klaus’ mind, Stefan is both: he’s a good person with humanity, which is a flaw according to Klaus, and he’s also a badass Rippah that Klaus looks up to. He’s like the writers.

          Do the Originals even have switches?

          They really really should not anymore. They should have in the beginning (going by what Rose said), but they shouldn’t have them anymore. But one of the spoilers (that I’ll talk about when the show comes back) has me worrying that they’re going to have the Originals able to let their humanity back in like Katherine. If Klaus doesn’t have a switch, then why was Mikael able to make him cry? I really don’t understand why they’re undoing what they established with Rose basically for Damon and Delena’s sake, for Stefan’s sake. According to Rose, not having the switch means your emotions are on all the time, you can’t turn them off (going by their new definition that the switch controls emotions instead of conscience). There’s really no harm in following through with the vamp’s switches disappearing. It would actually provide more material for Stefan. He can be broody without a switch. Do they not realize that? Why can’t he just not want to go back because he’s not ready/is ashamed/etc. Why does it have to be because he doesn’t want to turn his “switch” back on? Ugh!!!!

          Did they fire some writers? Is that what happened?

          I hear they got lost and gained new writers between season 1 and season 2. I’d like to know if the same thing happened between season 2 and season 3. And somehow the fact that JP and KW have always been there doesn’t seem to matter.

          • And somehow the fact that JP and KW have always been there doesn’t seem to matter.

            I don’t think KW was there for the entire time. For a while there, he was working on Scream 4 *and* working on developing TSC. Around the same time, the show lost a lot of the writers from season one and the network’s CEO was getting fired. Idk. A lot of stuff was going on in season 2 but, like I’ve already mentioned elsewhere, I am not sure if that is the usual for tv. I don’t know if losing writers and one of the headwriters (for the most part) in the *second* season is something that happens often. Isn’t KW still working on TSC? I would imagine that it is really difficult to give *two* series your full attention but other writers have been known to do it so… Do you know what the writing situation was with Charmed?

            • But JP has always been there. You wouldn’t know it though.

              Yeah, Constance M. Burge (I believe she was the series creator), left the show (or was fired or something) at the end of season 2 and gave control to Brad Kern whom I believe was just a co-producer when she was on. The only thing that changed was that the show started doing season-long arcs as opposed to a lot of standalone episodes. The show didn’t lose coherence due to the change. Smallville lost one of its big writers in season 3 or 4. I know they changed producers in season 8. The show actually got better (season 7 was a nightmare). Neither show became a bunch of episodes that contradicted each other. The characters certainly didn’t become degenerates.

              There was a CW CEO firing while Smallville was on the air too (I think it was when we were going into season 7), and the only thing we had to worry about is whether the new CEO would renew the show.

          • I hear they got lost and gained new writers between season 1 and season 2. I’d like to know if the same thing happened between season 2 and season 3.

            Yes, they lost a lot of writers after season 1. There were some changes after season 2, but I think they weren’t as drastic as after season 1.

            After S2 they lost:
            – Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain, the writers of “Plan B” and “The Descent”: I don’t think they were too involved with the writing, especially not during the second half of S2. At that time, they were preparing for The Secret Circle. They were originally supposed to be executive producers but left the project when KW came on board because they felt they were no longer needed.
            – Andrew Chambliss (co-writer of some late season 1 episodes, “Bad Moon Rising”, “Katerina”, “The Dinner Party”, co-writer of “The Last Day”): He’s now a writer/co-producer for Once Upon a Time. In fact, next week’s episode is co-written by him. I’m kind of interested to see how I’ll like that episode.
            – Mike Daniels (“Kill or Be Killed”, “By the Light of the Moon”, “Know Thy Enemy” and co-writer of “The Sun Also Rises”): He went to Pan Am. I was actually kind of sad to see him go. He gave us the touching scenes between Caroline and her mom in “Kill or Be Killed”. “By the Light of the Moon” is one of the few S2 episodes I’d want to rewatch. Ok, “Know Thy Enemy” was very blah but it wasn’t maddening (and he gave us the soapgate, heh). And he is the one who wrote Uncle John’s letter in “The Sun Also Rises”. Can’t say I agreed with everything in the letter, but still, I was touched.

            And that’s it, I think.

            However, they gained a lot of new writers for S3:
            – Turi Meyer & Al Septien from Smallville (I count them as new writers, although they wrote the S2 finale)
            – Michael Narducci (I count him as new too, since he’d previously only written “The Last Dance” and he seems to have joined the TVD team during the second half of S2)
            – Rebecca Sonnenshine (“Ghost World”), specializes in “psychological horror” and has won 3 awards for her writing, has previously written feature-length screenplays
            – Nick Wauters (wrote the story for “Ordinary people”), creator/co-executive producer of NBC’s short-lived The Event – I never watched The Event but from what I heard it wasn’t … good. Actually, I read a lot of complaints about the writing of that show that are very similar to what we’re complaining about with regard to TVD.
            – Evan Bleiweiss (“The Homecoming”), this seems to be his first job as a full-fledged writer

            Ok, this was long and probably more than you ever wanted to know, lol. I hope I don’t come off as too crazy for knowing this stuff/looking it up. It’s just that I started paying a lot of attention to the writers during S2 and then was very interested in learning more about the new S3 writers.

            • They were originally supposed to be executive producers but left the project when KW came on board because they felt they were no longer needed.

              Hmm, that’s curious.

              He’s now a writer/co-producer for Once Upon a Time. In fact, next week’s episode is co-written by him. I’m kind of interested to see how I’ll like that episode.

              It better be good. It seems to be about James.

              Rebecca Sonnenshine (“Ghost World”), specializes in “psychological horror”

              I would love for this show to do some psychological horror, mess with the characters by using their fears (kind of like the Demon of Fear on Charmed). Unfortunately, I don’t think they know their characters well enough to not only pull this off but pull it off in a satisfactory way. They’d probably give them fears that either came out of nowhere or were very 2-dimensional.

              Nick Wauters (wrote the story for “Ordinary people”)

              *Scowls* He should stop.

              • Hmm, that’s curious.

                Yes, it is. They did say that it was an amicable departure. Idk. I’d guess that the network had a lot do with it. I can see them wanting to have KW on board for marketing purposes.

                I would love for this show to do some psychological horror, mess with the characters by using their fears (kind of like the Demon of Fear on Charmed).

                Oh, that would be so great!! I’d love that.

            • Thanks so much for this info, Emily. Interesting, I think Michael Narducci and Rebecca Sonnenshine are some of the best additions to the writing team so far. I’ve loved the character work in their episodes even when the pacing is off or the story as a whole not as coherent as it should be. And honestly, for Bonnie fans, they’re both kind of fantastic even when she has little to do.

              But these changes may also explain some of the glaring lack of continuity. It feels like the story editors for each episode are just not paying any attention to the details, which is a shame, surely there should be ONE person that keeps an eye out for such things? Ugh.

              • Interesting, I think Michael Narducci and Rebecca Sonnenshine are some of the best additions to the writing team so far.

                I agree.

                I’m willing to suspend judgment on Wauters and Bleiweiss until I’ve seen another episode written by them (although I have to say that “Homecoming” and “Original People” were pretty bad).

                By the way, JP recently tweeted that they’ve hired another new writer: Elisabeth Finch (has co-written a couple of episodes for S2 and S3 of True Blood)

  2. Ahhh, I have got to go to work, so this has to be brief:

    Why have Alaric join the Council? Why have him say that he wants to protect the human population and then have him do nothing? Whenever something is threatening the human population of Mystic Falls (Klaus returning to MF twice, the tomb vampires coming back, etc.) he is not even around.

    What was the point of introducing Caroline’s father? Why introduce the possibility for humans to overcome compulsion (without explaining it) and have none of the humans be interested in it?

    • Five episodes aired after Alaric joined the council. Five. And in them he gave a speech, “geeked out” over caves, aaaand that was it. And both of those things happened for only one episode. Damon and Elena were using his stuff to make wolfsbane bombs, but he wasn’t there. Alaric has made no change to the council. Also, what happened to him wanting Damon to take a beat from Elena? What changed his mind again?

      Not even Damon is interested in how a human can resist compulsion.

      • Not even Damon is interested in how a human can resist compulsion.

        I think the writers use characters like Bill to introduce a certain idea into the show for the audience’s benefit. It is simply there to let us know that a particular thing is possible so that when another character (in this case, Stefan) does it, it is supposed to be plausible. I think the problem with a lot of this kind of stuff is that it is almost entirely for the audience and not for the characters within the story.

        • I think the writers use characters like Bill to introduce a certain idea into the show for the audience’s benefit.

          Oh for sure. And a character like Stefan will do it even though a character like him isn’t supposed to be able to do it because he’s a vampire and not a human. And what was the point? Klaus ended up compelling him anyway!

          • Honestly, how hard would it have been for someone to pick up the phone and call Bill when they were thinking of ways to handle Stefan? Caroline could have done it. Bill might have co-operated because he might have wanted to protect Caroline and the town from what he perceived to be a bigger danger than the Salvatores – Klaus. It could have led to a deeper exploration of the Bill/Caroline relationship while simultaneously giving us a better understanding of the show’s mythology – Forbes history; deeper understanding of how compulsion works; the Council etc etc

            • It could have led to a deeper exploration of the Bill/Caroline relationship

              The show was never interested in the Bill/Caroline relationship. They wanted Bill there for Caroline’s “story”/to show her crying/to show her persevering. They weren’t interested in the actual relationship and what it meant to Caroline, let alone what it meant to Bill. Your idea is good and would’ve showed us that the Caroline torture scenes wasn’t just gratuitous torture porn, that they meant to go somewhere with it and have the relationship suffer and heal, or at least come to an understanding. But no. It was just gratuitous torture porn.

          • What if they had called Bill while they were coming up with the plan to take out Klaus with Mikael’s help? What if Bill had given Stefan some tips to overcome Klaus’ compulsion? I guess that would have involved making Caroline important to the plan and we can’t have that. Anything other than “care” from Katherine would have been better.

              • I often think in images and I often have a hard time expressing myself so I hope what I write next makes some sense.

                When I think of how characters like Bill are mishandled, the image of a chopped up relay race comes to my mind. I imagine Bill and Stefan as two runners on the same track but they are not starting from the same spot. Bill starts and, then, later Stefan starts. In this relay race, the whistle goes off and Bill starts running. Suddenly he stops in the middle of the track and walks off to the side with his baton before he reaches Stefan. Fortunately for Stefan (and unfortunately for my obsessive mind), the baton appears out of thin air and ends up in Stefan’s hand. Stefan then starts running as if the relay race wasn’t interrupted at all.

                Have I mentioned already how much this irritated me?

                And yes, I am crazy.

                I can’t. There so much fail in Stefan’s story. If only they had handled the compulsion part of his story better, it could have been salvageable.

                • Your analogy is perfect!!!!! Absolutely perfect, because that is how the stories appear.

                  I think the “rules” of the ghost storyline irritate me more than Stefan’s “storyline.” They just kept making crap up and all of a sudden the baton was passed to Matt (I may have just butchered the analogy). Then all of a sudden it was possible that Jeremy might be able to contact other ghosts, but he’d have to know them and feel something for them. I guess he had no emotional connection to his parents? Ugh.

  3. Near the end of season 2, I got the feeling that there was no real story here. It seemed to me that they they were throwing whatever gimmick they had to, to get us to come back for one more ep each time. This couldn’t be any clearer now.

    How are we going to continue discussing this show? There is no “show” there. There is no story. A bunch of plot threads that abruptly disappear almost as soon as they appear don’t make a story.

    • How are we going to continue discussing this show?

      Especially after Ordinary People I wondered if there would come a time where I couldn’t review the show anymore. Because for me to be able to review it, it has to have some coherence. But it seems I’m doomed to go this route: episode 10, “This is interesting! Maybe this and this will happen.” Episode 12, “So what was the point of what we saw in episode 10?”

  4. Are there any scenes, actions, or interactions you thought would lead somewhere but are now realizing were pointless?

    Bonnie’s Kill Klaus mission. She forgot about that very quickly

    The Alaric/Jeremy bonding moment in the season 2 finale didn’t lead to anything in the first *9* eps of this season.

    Matt forgot how his sister died

    No Jeremy/Vicki

    Tyler forgot how his uncle died

    Tyler doesn’t care that Jules is dead and who killed her

    Mikael eating vampires instead of humans. Like Bill, Mikael and Gloria were only there to create some angst and introduce certain ideas into the story – vampires can feed from other vampires and witches can extend life respectively. The show is so clumsy. They couldn’t write a satisfying story for these characters even though it makes all the sense in the world to do so. I can’t tell you just how much this irritates me. They introduce entire characters who are very much tied into story/existing characters to introduce a concept just so that this concept can be used on another character later. To make things worse, they don’t tie these things together. Gloria could extend life but she was not involved with the NSDR finding out that a witch created vampires. Bill introduced the idea that compulsion can be resisted and the existence of the vamp torture chamber. However, he was not involved in Stefan’s storyline where these things became important.

    The list is endless. Basically, everything in the show, Alta. Everything.

    • Bonnie’s Kill Klaus mission. She forgot about that very quickly

      I thought about incorporating setups at the end of season 2 that went nowhere in season 3, but my brain might have exploded. Didn’t someone on here say Klaus vowed to kill Katherine the next time he saw her or something?

      Tyler forgot how his uncle died

      Not one word. After he was going to let Caroline get killed over it.

      Gloria could extend life but she was not involved with the NSDR finding out that a witch created vampires.

      Gloria wanted that necklace badly which would make you think it was a powerful object, maybe able to grant power or boost power. Instead it belonged to someone and was just a talisman. I forgot about this particular thread. They made the necklace seem like it was more than it turned by making Gloria want it, even willing to torture for it. Are they kidding? That necklace was around Rebekah’s neck in the 20s, and Gloria knew Rebekah. She didn’t see the necklace around her neck? If they were going to make Gloria want the necklace, it should have been a rare magical gem, not something that belonged to Rebekah or Esther.

      • Didn’t someone on here say Klaus vowed to kill Katherine the next time he saw her or something?

        In As I Lay Dying, Klaus suggested that one of the things he and Stefan were going to do together was hunt Katherine down, which I thought was going to be about the both of them liking the hunt (which would explain him letting Katherine go), but then this fell apart into nothing because 1) Klaus lost his brain and 2) Katherine lost her self-preservation instincts.

        That necklace was around Rebekah’s neck in the 20s, and Gloria knew Rebekah. She didn’t see the necklace around her neck? If they were going to make Gloria want the necklace, it should have been a rare magical gem, not something that belonged to Rebekah or Esther.

        They should have gone the Rebekah/Gloria route because then the necklace could have belonged to Gloria and her wanting it would be about both 1) it being hers and 2) it being powerful. I don’t know. They could have tried.

        • In As I Lay Dying, Klaus suggested that one of the things he and Stefan were going to do together was hunt Katherine down

          And in the end he couldn’t figure out he was talking to Katherine, let alone that she was once right outside the department store he was sitting in. Smh.

          So basically Gloria died over nothing. Am I getting that right?

          • It’s incredibly ridiculous that they want Katherine to live and be on the show so much that they’ll sacrifice her character and Klaus’s basic abilities as a vampire to accomplish this. Seriously. His simplest powers should be to suss out vampires from humans. His simplest.

            So basically Gloria died over nothing. Am I getting that right?

            Yup.

            • Katherine is basically here to be cool now. They’re no longer interested in giving the audience reasons to remain invested in her. They’re now just riding the popularity she gained last season. Now she’s badass just because, not because she’s doing anything or tricking anyone.

              What can Klaus do? Because you’re right, he should be able to suss out a human from a vamp. Elijah could do it. But the oldest vamp can’t. And Olu, how is Klaus the oldest vampire of mankind if he has a father? How?

              • These writers are just bad. At least when BtVs brought Spike in full-time, they explained that he could not be badass in the way he was before, and that he was essentially without direction because of it. And the Scoobies, by and large, rejected him more often than they accepted him.

                He apparently can watch other people’s plans fall apart and is a brilliant negotiator (off-screen). How is Klaus the oldest vampire if Elijah is his brother? Who knows? There was an origin story that would have allowed for this, but the writers went with Ordinary People instead.

                • Lol. Who said Klaus was a brilliant negotiator? I can’t remember anything.

                  I thought it was canon that Klaus is older than Elijah. Unless I’m letting the Fandom’s comparison of Elijah-Stefan and Klaus=Damon influence my memory. You know considering how many scenes they’ve given Elijah and Klaus, even in a freaking flashback to their youth, I still kind of think Elijah should have been kept Klaus’ foot soldier.

                  • No one has said he’s a brilliant negotiator and if his best play is “I’M THE HYBRID!” then he’s obviously not, but he had to convince people to join him before. So I assumed he had some negotiating skills.

                    Nope. The show has never clarified whether Klaus was older than Elijah, but it’s always made sense to me for Klaus to be the younger brother, because even in the past, Elijah didn’t seem to hold Klaus up or admire him particularly, so much as he seemed to be protective, proud, and also sure of his place (actually approaching Klaus about saving Katherine). That seemed more like an older brother to me, even in his obvious subordinate (to Klaus) status within Klaus’s circle at the time.

                    It’s also why I think, like you’re saying, they should have kept Elijah as Klaus’s foot soldier. There is a loyalty in their relationship in “Klaus” that just does not fit the brothers’ mold. Am I making sense?

                    Fandom’s Elijah = Stefan ; Klaus = Damon thing makes sense if we follow the show’s reductionist storytelling methods, but Stefan has always erred closer to Klaus (the quiet somewhat contemplative “I’ve already made up my mind” thing they both get before torturing/killing someone; especially when they show lets Stefan be deliberate about it…or is it just me that sees that?) than Elijah (if anything, considering his earliest characterization, Stefan is more of a combination of Klaus and Elijah). Damon isn’t terribly similar to either of them, except Klaus’s planning skills (which are dashed by the writers at every turn but never commented on).

                    • I agree, it would make more sense for Elijah to be older.

                      Yep, you’re making sense. Like how Klaus is sitting and Elijah remains standing. It screams underling.

                      I agree, Damon isn’t like either of them. Klaus has self control and so does Elijah.

                    • When I think of the characters on the show, I kind of think of most them being in two groups. Group 1 – Bonnie/Tyler/Stefan/Klaus Group 2 – Caroline/Jeremy/Damon/Elijah. I don’t know what to make of Elena and Matt. It seems like Group 1 is kinda trying to figure out *who* they are and group 2 is…idk really. I think they are trying to figure out a meaning/purpose for their lives – I think they know who they are already. It is what they live for that is the issue or trying to figure out the world outside themselves and where they fit?? Like how Damon and Elijah have interactions that are like little conversations with their kills a lot of the time (in different ways but still). Stefan and Klaus don’t care. They are more concerned with who they are or who they are supposed to be. When they kill, they don’t care about who they are killing. Klaus’ whole arc has been about being fully himself and Stefan’s maybe is about realizing that he has never been fully himself?? Idk. Just trying to find reasons as to why I tend to categorize characters like that in my head.

                    • That’s an interesting characterization. Caroline, Damon (especially), and Jeremy do seem to be trying to figure out their place, a reason for being. I’m not sure about Elijah though. I think he’s got everything figured out. He really was the perfect original. So of course they killed him.

                    • I am, of course, simplifying this a lot but do you think that the doppelgangers fit as well. Like Elena is group one and Katherine is group two? Katherine keeps trying a place where she belongs. Her family kicked her out. She tried to live with Klaus/Elijah but that ended badly and so did her 1864 family. She hasn’t been able to establish a family because she has been on the run but that seems to be something she has been trying to consistently achieve. Elena already knows where she belongs even though the numbers of her “loved ones” keep dwindling. It is more about who she is. Isn’t it? Btw, do you think it is an accident that characters in group one are worse written than characters in group two? Maybe it is harder to write a nuanced struggle about identity than “I need lurve”

                  • Elijah is older. Damon says something like “we have to get the hybrid and his two-face older brother” in “The Sun Also Rises”. Plus at Eyecon in Joseph and Daniel’s panel they both say Elijah is older. So Klaus was never the oldest vampire in any way. He wasn’t turned first nor was he the oldest in human years.

                    • The only time I remember someone referring to Klaus as the oldest was in Katerina. It was when Damon, Stefan and Rose were telling Elena about Klaus. It was all very vague because they didn’t know much. I think one of the Salvatores said that Klaus is believed to be the oldest vampire and Rose kinda nodded along.

                    • Why did no one correct Elena?

                      I think they only had Elena say that he is the oldest to make the whole situation more dramatic(!!!!!). That is the only reason that line from Katerina exists. She was all, ~Oh no~. The oldest vampire ever wants to get me? Blah blah blah wtvr, Elena.

                      Actually, that was before the show completely went to hell. I still can’t get myself to rewatch the later eps I am not sure if anyone else said it.

              • how is Klaus the oldest vampire of mankind if he has a father? How?

                I know this is a small thing but it legit almost caused me to have a psychotic break or a nervous breakdown or something else equally disastrous. My reaction went as follows.

                Wait What?->Well, maybe Rebekah… nope that makes no sense->Watched youtube video to confirm that Rebekah turned first->Maybe his dad…no->Klaus is a misogynistic asshole. He convinced everyone he is the first because he doesn’t view Rebekah’s claim to that title as legitimate-> But that is total fanwank->Despair & confusion->Mental equivalent of a test pattern->……->feelings of shame for still watching this show-> Fuck this show!

                The straw that broke the camel’s back

                • Has Klaus ever referred to himself as the oldest? Who would he have convinced? How did he convince Elijah or Rebekah to go along with it? The show could have either 1) actually remembered that he was supposed to be oldest or 2) basically taken the chance to have Rebekah reveal that she was in fact the oldest vampire. Something, anything.

                  I truly believe the writers simply didn’t try to maintain canon because they’re stupid and lazy.

                  • Who said that Klaus is the oldest vampire anyway? Did Elijah say it? I think people like Katherine and Rose said it but did any of the Originals?

                    • Elena’s the only one I can remember calling Klaus the oldest vampire. I know Elijah didn’t. I’m pretty sure that Katherine didn’t. Maybe Rose did. But yeah, Elena’s the only one I can remember specifically calling him the oldest.

                      None of the Originals, not even Klaus (his personal claim to fame/shame seems to be his Hybrid status), ever called him the oldest.

                      So the writers are still stupid.

                    • They also said Klaus was the meanest. I think it was Rose who said it? It’s funny because in season 3, we’re supposed to think Mikael was the meanest.

                • LMAO! Oh my God!

                  As soon as I saw Rebekah drink first, I was like, “This is a continuity error! Klaus is supposed to be the first vamp!” So I’m thinking they’ve just retconned Klaus being the oldest vamp. But then I remembered they said he was the oldest, not the first (though they obviously meant us to think he was the first at the time. I’d bet money). So I was calmed. Then as I wrote to Olu, I realized what Mikael being Klaus’ father truly meant. There is no way Klaus can be older than Mikael because Mikeal was older than Klaus as a human, ergo he’d be older as a vamp. Klaus is now the oldest vampire, but before Mikael’s death? He wasn’t. Did the producers think about this before they decided to give Klaus a father who was alive? Of course not.

                  • LMAO! Oh my God!

                    Lol. All the little details are killing me. I think they do ok with that stuff but I don’t care and I resent figuring it out because the story sucks. I have ~issues~

                    Moving on…

                    I’d say Elijah and Rebekah react to Klaus like he’s the oldest vamp. Especially Elijah in Klaus.

                    This was probably because Klaus was probably the strongest. The sun/moon curse (aka the Curse of Constant Contrivance) suppressed his ability to transform but he probably had the extra strength that all werewolves have in their human forms. Plus, he could “kill” them but they couldn’t “kill” him. Also, he is possibly the craziest.

                    • Plus, he could “kill” them but they couldn’t “kill” him.

                      Which reminds me…there are seven daggers. These people never tried to steal one and stab Klaus? Stefan was able to steal the coffins so obviously Klaus isn’t always paying attention (or prepared). And based on some spoilers I’m going to talk about like next week, Klaus does wake some of them up from time to time. And they’ve never tried to steal a dagger?

                • That could work. Katherine’s self-preservation instincts coupled with Klaus chasing her through the centuries (lets pretend he cares) has prevented her from carving out a spot for herself. Meanwhile Elena seems to be passively, sometimes actively, writing herself out of her place in her life, as her loved ones dwindle.

                  Btw, do you think it is an accident that characters in group one are worse written than characters in group two? Maybe it is harder to write a nuanced struggle about identity than “I need lurve”

                  Group One being: Stefan/Bonnie/Klaus/Tyler & Group Two being: Caroline/Jeremy/Damon/Elijah?

                  The writers thwart both groups in different ways since I wouldn’t say that group two is written better than group one. I think group one, with the exception of Tyler who isn’t a character I think about often enough to figure out, get story arcs that receive little to no follow through in terms of their identity. Bonnie less so, but there’s also the problem of the writers waiting to articulate her goals a lot of the time. Stefan, this season especially, doesn’t comment as often on his current state as he probably should. We get all the information about his state of mind from others. There’s also the issue of Stefan choosing a place for himself (good brother/hero/whatever) that doesn’t fit with who he actually is. Still if he was able to confront and accept himself, his place in the world so to speak would be resolved with his acceptance of his identity. Klaus has little to no character outside of the woobie status that the writers gave him minus any sense of danger or cunning. He’s constantly being given stuff about what he wants, but we don’t really have a sense of what that means about him. Except for woobie. Group two I think, despite knowing who they are, get ignored (Caroline and Jeremy) or, I’m not sure how to describe what the writers do to Damon, or, made to do incredibly stupid things because the plot requires it (Elijah), but I agree with Alta. Elijah is pretty sire of his place.

                  Rebekah is split between both? Because I think she knows who she is and she has a place that she’s chosen, but she’s not happy with the latter, especially now.

                  I hope any of that made sense because I can barely remember what I wrote.

                  • I hope any of that made sense because I can barely remember what I wrote.

                    Yeah, that made sense. Lol at the “barely remember what I wrote” part because I can barely remember what I wrote. I was not entirely sober… It is the only way to enjoy this show.

                    I like what you wrote about Elena/Katherine. Makes the show actually sound interesting. But maybe some parts of it is?? On the whole though, more is wrong with it than right. I have so much dislike for the show that I am not entirely rational about it at this point but you are so right about all the characters being thwarted. It is like watching someone tinker with something over and over and over again but get it wrong every.single.time. So now, I am pissed about unrelated things too. I am like, your haircut sucks. What is that shirt? Why can’t you dress yourself? Ugh! You are chewing your food too loudly. And what is that noise? Your breathing? Stop. Lol. I still don’t understand how/why this Klaus storyline is such a mess. I had so many theories with my friend about this storyline. One part of the gay subtext one was that maybe becoming a Hybrid for him was about becoming a man and about wanting to be with other men (other Hybrids, Stefan). But they didn’t even tell us how he felt before becoming a Hybrid. What kind of crisis was he feeling? In what specific way did he feel deprived? Did he feel alienated from himself? What?

                    but I agree with Alta. Elijah is pretty sire of his place.

                    But where is that? He wanted to be with his family but never found them. He had a place with his brother but was kicked out of that. I don’t have a good grasp on Elijah unlike most of fandom so I don’t know what is going on with him.

                    • So now, I am pissed about unrelated things too. I am like, your haircut sucks. What is that shirt? Why can’t you dress yourself?

                      Lol.

                      But they didn’t even tell us how he felt before becoming a Hybrid. What kind of crisis was he feeling?

                      Well we know he felt like an abomination. Why? Who was making him feel that way? Who knows. He hadn’t seen Mikael in hundreds of years at that point. I doubt Rebekah would taunt him or that he’d take her seriously if she did.

                      Elijah wanted to bury his family. He thought they were dead. We still don’t know how he separated from Klaus. I doubt Klaus kicked him out. Elijah didn’t seem to be on the run, nor was he afraid of Klaus.

                      His place is that of an Original. He commands respect and expects it and judges younger vampires, and is vengeful when he feels betrayed. I think Elijah is (was?) at a point where he just had experiences and emotions (not to say he was detached), but he knew who he was, what he valued, and what his place was.

      • Instead it belonged to someone and was just a talisman. I forgot about this particular thread. They made the necklace seem like it was more than it turned by making Gloria want it, even willing to torture for it.

        In season one, Grams told Bonnie that a witch’s talisman is a powerful tool and that Bonnie shouldn’t give Emily’s talisman back to Caroline (this was when Caroline got a hold of it after Damon tried to kill her). Bonnie was then very adamant about not giving it up to anyone else. The talisman is how Emily was able to get into Bonnie’s head and use Bonnie’s body. Maybe talismans are a direct line to a dead witch which might become handy if you don’t know where a witch died or if a witch didn’t die violently. Maybe Gloria wanted access to Original Witch’s power or wanted to communicate with Original Witch.

        Emily’s talisman didn’t do anything to either Elena or Caroline. It only started to do something after Bonnie had been wearing it for a while.

        • Why couldn’t Gloria make her own talisman? She was pretty powerful whereas Esther…was not.

          I got the hooplah over Emily’s talisman. Though you’re right, it didn’t do anything to Caroline or Elena besides burn them if they tried to take it from Bonnie, it was a key to opening the tomb and letting a bunch of vampires out. Emily used it to get into Bonnie’s dreams, but I don’t think she used it to possess Bonnie since she only did that after Bonnie summoned her through the seance.

          The OG witch’s talisman didn’t really do anything. She could’ve used it to haunt Elena’s dreams, or maybe it could’ve been instrumental in her sending ghosts through to the mortal world to kill Elena!!!! Oooo! Instead of her wedging the door open any time Bonnie did magic. Ugh, the former would’ve been cooler.

          Using a talisman to access a dead’s witch’s power contradicts, in my head, what Bonnie had to go through to gain access to the powers of the 100 dead witches. I remember saying dead witches needed some kind of protection from living witches just channeling them whenever they felt like it.

          • What if the talisman becomes active after a set time period for wtvr reason. Emily’s talisman only became active after the comet passed. Maybe this talisman is tied to a specific spell too. I wonder if that is why Gloria extended her lifespan – aside from the obvious reason of wanting to live longer. She wanted to be alive for a specific cosmic event??

            Emily used it to get into Bonnie’s dreams, but I don’t think she used it to possess Bonnie since she only did that after Bonnie summoned her through the seance.

            It looked to me like Emily used the crystal to possess Bonnie. The seance helped but the crystal played a part too. During the seance, Bonnie threw the necklace away from herself but Emily got her to put it on again. Bonnie was then trapped in a room and was screaming for some time while Emily possessed her. Emily disappeared immediately after she destroyed the crystal

            Using a talisman to access a dead’s witch’s power contradicts, in my head, what Bonnie had to go through to gain access to the powers of the 100 dead witches. I remember saying dead witches needed some kind of protection from living witches just channeling them whenever they felt like it.

            I wonder if it works the other way around too. Maybe living witches have protection from dead witches taking over their bodies but touching/wearing a dead witch’s talisman
            voids that protection.

            • The talisman became active, by that I mean we saw it actually do something, when Bonnie wore it and Caroline tried to touch it. It didn’t do anything when either Damon or Caroline held it.

              During the seance, Bonnie threw the necklace away from herself but Emily got her to put it on again.

              I think she/Emily put it on after Emily possessed her because they couldn’t find the talisman after the candles blew out. Did Bonnie pick it up when she saw it in the bathroom? I don’t quite remember.

              *Sigh* Unfortunately we won’t get an answer when it comes to Gloria because she’s dead and gone. I wish the show would expand on the talismans because I like them.

              Not necessarily since Bonnie had Esther’s talisman, and she didn’t try to possess her (or Elena). I think they need to be in the living world to attempt possession, and they can only get to the world if a witch calls them, like how Sheila (I believe) opened the Grimoire to the spell to reveal veiled matter, but she couldn’t appear to Bonnie until she summoned her. Which…is not how it worked for Mason and Lexi, but maybe the rules are different for dead witches vs. everyone else, because they can still do damage in death since they still have their powers. Anyways, I think the protection for living witches comes from the dead witch not being able to cross between the worlds any time they feel like. *Sigh,* I hope we get more concrete mythology regarding witchcraft in the episodes to come. Why the producers thing Hybrids and siring is more interesting than this stuff is beyond me.

    • Matt forgot how his sister died

      Do you mean in the sense that he’s talking to Elena like things are cool and hasn’t once attempted to confront Damon or Stefan?

      everything in the show

      It’s incredibly sad how JP thinks they have years and years worth of story when the show is currently burning through the ideas of plots within episodes and can barely thread together a coherent narrative from the beginning of an episode to the end of one. Yet she thinks the show can go on for years and years.

      • Do you mean in the sense that he’s talking to Elena like things are cool and hasn’t once attempted to confront Damon or Stefan?

        Yes, the premiere was surreal. I think, in the writers’ minds, now that Matt has killed someone (Maddox), he has no room to judge others. As if all awful acts are the same or as if people react to them the same way.

        • Matt just shot Maddox didn’t he? I thought Damon finished the job by biting/snapping his neck. Matt definitely played a part though.

          he has no room to judge others. As if all awful acts are the same or as if people react to them the same way.

          I fucking hate the writers. He should be angry. He should be unable to even deal with hanging out with Elena and yet he does because the writers give no shits. It’s not like Matt is dealing with shooting (and killing?) Maddox. Nope. He’s just staying away only not staying away and nothing gets build up or explanation.

          • Matt just shot Maddox didn’t he? I thought Damon finished the job by biting/snapping his neck.

            Why do I keep forgetting this?

            It’s incredibly sad how JP thinks they have years and years worth of story when the show is currently burning through the ideas of plots within episodes and can barely thread together a coherent narrative from the beginning of an episode to the end of one. Yet she thinks the show can go on for years and years.

            I am sure it will go on for years and years. It has the best ratings of any CW show. It doesn’t matter if they keep bringing in subpar writers (probably for cheap) or if JP can’t write. They are going to ride the wave of goodwill/popularity they got from being part of the current vampire craze and the work of the good/competent writers of the first season for as long as they can.

  5. Something else which has bothered me a lot is this hybrid business. Especially Klaus’ intention to create more hybrids and how the writers handled it.

    1) Remember when it seemed to be kind of a big deal, Klaus being able to sire hybrids, back in “Klaus”? What a letdown. The hybrids don’t appear to be very dangerous and they sure as hell aren’t interesting. In fact, I feel like we still don’t know what being a hybrid really means. Idk. Since they are part werewolf and part vampire, they should at least be the best of both worlds but even that isn’t the case, considering that they can be compelled. – So, to make this short, why introduce a new species in the first place? Again, it feels like the show started to build up towards something that never happened.

    2) This actually my main issue. Remember when it was implied that Klaus wanted to create more hybrids to have more people like him/friends/’comrades’/an ersatz family? It seemed like a big personal goal. He started woobying when his first hybrids died. And now? He has created a bunch of hybrids off-screen and they’re just his henchmen. He doesn’t seem to care about them that much and he doesn’t seem to be that interested in Tyler either. They’re all just his flunkies. It would make no difference if they were compelled vampires. This sense of “Now I have people like me” got totally lost. Instead of that, Klaus is now, all of a sudden, completely emotionally invested in bringing his siblings back (which makes no sense to me)? I guess it’s just so he has something new to do. He achieved his first goal, so there has to be a new one, for the sake of the plot. But again, it feels like the show was building up towards something that never happened – or rather, something that didn’t happen in an (emotionally) satisfying way. From being utterly and completely emotionally invested in creating hybrids, Klaus goes on to being indifferent with regard to them and being utterly and completely emotionally invested in getting his siblings back, just as the plot dictates. And we’re somehow supposed to be utterly and completely invested in him.

    (This is OT now but I just thought about something with regard to siring. In “The Hybrid”, Stefan actually asks Klaus why he thinks that his hybrids would be loyal to him. Right then and there the writers could have had some foreshadowing by having Klaus say something ominous about how he knows that they will. So that when they introduced this siring thing with Tyler, we could’ve gone, “Ok, so that’s what Klaus was talking about!” It wouldn’t have come totally out of the blue then. But instead, they had Klaus say something about how they would want to stay on the winning side, as if they could make a conscious decision. This makes me wonder if the writers had already thought of introducing the concept of siring at that point.)

    • The hybrids don’t appear to be very dangerous and they sure as hell aren’t interesting.

      And they look so young! All of them, especially Klaus’ main Hybrid girl, didn’t look older than Tyler. Can’t they look like Jules or Brady, or Elijah? They should look like adults. They should be adult werewolves, not kids in their early 20s. Why does Klaus want to sire werewolves who are just starting out?

      He doesn’t seem to care about them that much and he doesn’t seem to be that interested in Tyler either. They’re all just his flunkies. It would make no difference if they were compelled vampires.

      You’re right! Especially the last part. Considering how things played out, considering how much attention Klaus pays to his Hybrids (he hasn’t bothered to get to know Tyler), he might as well have just compelled vampires. Why do they have to be Hybrids? I almost feel like making other Hybrids should not be possible. Elena’s blood is a freaking fluke. Klaus became a Hybrid through magic. A vamp biting a were should make the werewolf sake, not turn him into Hybrids. Klaus trying to create Hybrids should have always been a failure, because he was missing a couple of ingredients: blood, the white oak tree, and a witch the cast the spell, defy nature, and create vamps/Hybrids.

      This makes me wonder if the writers had already thought of introducing the concept of siring at that point.

      If they did, they kept it secret to “shock” us. They could’ve also had Klaus say, “They won’t have a choice.” Instead it looks like he wasn’t sure what would happen, and he only later knew about siring because the writing called for it. The siring info should have come from Klaus, not Damon. They could’ve had Tyler asking Klaus why he feels such a strong need to make him happy. This conversation could’ve taken place after Klaus told Tyler to hurt one of the characters to test out his Hybrid.

  6. Sigh, I just want Klaus to really start tormenting this town. And for the effects of it to reach far beyond this inner circle and for all of them to finally get it into heads that this is BIGGER than them and they can’t afford to dick around anymore. I mean, Bonnie is obviously undergoing some temporary amnesia because she can usually be relied upon to remember that. But that’s my biggest frustration right now. Stefan’s story would have more impact for me, more tension, if I could believe the “consequences” of his awful choices were more than Damon and Elena “not-loving” him and “giving up on him” for tops three episodes. Surely the price for slaughtering scores of people, ripping their bodies apart and gluing them together again should be more than this? Bah.

    Rebeka/Stefan was such a wasted opportunity. I was all ready to ship that messed up OT3, and to have Stefan harboring conflicting feelings for his family and surrogate families.

    I actually don’t mind that necklace being the talisman. But I’m really categorically NOT interested in watching either Damon or Elena inserting themselves into the narrative to figure out how to destroy it. They are not magical, their opinions frankly do not matter regarding this, and I hope the show just stops this desire to frame them as actually useful in any capacity. I want Bonnie and her mother to figure it out somehow so here’s hoping.

    I just want more from this narrative in general. Sigh.

    • But I’m really categorically NOT interested in watching either Damon or Elena inserting themselves into the narrative to figure out how to destroy it.

      I’m questioning if the necklace will even be a priority when we come back. While Bonnie called it the necklace that wouldn’t die in Ordinary People, she didn’t say anything about it in Homecoming despite mentioning the cave pictures.

      Bonnie’s amnesia is the saddest thing.

    • I agree with you that whatever Klaus does needs to have a bigger impact than just this circle of friends. What’s the point if, in their minds, when someone within their group, the circle of protection gets smaller instead of bigger?

      I just want more from this narrative in general. Sigh.

      This basically. I wish this show took more risks. Or no risks even and just did more to explore what they already have with these characters.

      I want Bonnie and her mother to figure it out somehow so here’s hoping.

      All I really need from this story is a resolution that involves Bonnie and her mom and makes it clear that Damon and Elena would just get in the way. As their plans rely heavily on making bad decisions.

      Rebeka/Stefan was such a wasted opportunity. I was all ready to ship that messed up OT3, and to have Stefan harboring conflicting feelings for his family and surrogate families.

      I weep for what this storyline could have been. Whatever. My imagination is really the only place I can ship for this show. It’s the Ot3 of my headcanon.

      • Amen to everything.

        I’m so tired of them and their terrible decisionmaking skills and utter lack of effectiveness. Like, these are just not heroes I can root for and it keeps feeling like the show trying so hard to make them more than they’re capable of being. And I just — can we have the Year of the Witches, because I’ve never been so utterly bored by lead characters in my life.

        /bitter

  7. Is this post only concerning this season?

    The question of why Ancestor Lockwood let Katherine go for the moonstone is still plaguing me. The suggestion, in that episode, was that possession of the moonstone prevented the Lockwoods from being wolves. Otherwise, it’s not like they were trying to or knew about any curse. And if they’re meant to be descendants of the same werewolves that Klaus came from, wouldn’t they have some sort of clue about Klaus and the curse that effected him. Considering Mason knew about the caves. Still there was no reason for Lockwood to let Katherine go, if the only benefit of the moonstone was possessing it. Possessing it didn’t stop Mason from turning. And what did Mayor Lockwood think it was for? Because Ancestor Lockwood left nothing behind as a record (for how to deal with being a werewolf, let alone being an actual werewolf, or anything really), which would make sense if the moonstone was meant to prevent the Lockwoods from turning, but it wasn’t.

    The other day something occurred to me, a plot point that went absolutely nowhere, but I can’t recall it now.

    Still can’t get over the fact that Gloria put a lot of power into living for a much longer time, but apparently for no reason since we still don’t know why she wanted Elena’s necklace and they killed her off without giving her one.

    • It’s about the first half of this season, but you can add things from seasons past.

      Yes! I remember at the time, I thought the moonstone gave whoever possessed it an advantage.

      Because they wanted to make it seem like they necklace was veryveryveryvery important *____*.

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