Episode 54: Misfits/OUAT/TSC

Episode 54

Branching out! In this episode, Kelly saves everyone and I need the show to stop singing the Alisha Is A Slut song. Once Upon A Time gives us a ratchet Cinderella and Prince Charming, the baby story is too much about Emma for my liking, and I ask a lot of questions about Henry. Finally, The Secret Circle’s Pilot wants me to be interested in 16-year-old soulmates, Adam’s father is too pathetic to live (please let him go before Jane), and Cassie’s mother dies very stupidly.

Everyone please listen to 00:00.000-04.26.250 and 56:26.250 to the  end.

Misfits: 04:26.250-21:58.656

Once Upon A Time: 21:58.656-38:44.312

The Secret Circle: 38:44.312-56:26.250

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17 thoughts on “Episode 54: Misfits/OUAT/TSC

  1. I’m going to disagree with you slightly on the whole Alisha-is-a-slut thing. I got angrier at the first episode of slut-shaming (i.e. cockmonster) because she felt like she had to apologize for her sexual past. This episode was much more in character because she was using her sexual appeal to survive, and she used her sexual appeal to survive prior to the storm as well. Sex was about getting something for herself, she used it to get attention, and I’m betting there was always some benefit for her involved with sleeping with someone new. Furthermore, the guy she was with was so degrading to her that she began internalizing all of that shame and abuse that he put on her. The only reason she ended up turning on him was with the help of the other Misfits, not really out of her own impulses to do so, showing that she really needs other people around her egging her on, she’s not a very self-reliant character (which is another problem I have with Misfits and her characterization, but that’s a rant for another time).

    I think the sex-for-survival aspect of the Nazi episode is really important for this whole series because the writers are showing what it is to need to prostitute yourself. It’s a way to show prostitution the way it is, without this show becoming an after school special. Because, really, that’s what Alisha does in this episode. She’s desperate for a way out, and she finds it through her sexuality. Frankly, it’s parallel to women’s sexual liberation everywhere. Sexuality has always been “a way out” for women; for example, Pan Am stewardesses. And bringing it closer to Alisha’s situation, young runaways who become prostitutes or porn actresses. It’s not necessarily what they want to do with their lives, it’s what they can do or use to get out of the situation they found so unsatisfactory in the first place. Except then they get stuck in this vicious cycle of emotional (frequently, physical) abuse, sex, and the limited benefits they receive (in Alisha’s case, life and freedom in some way).

    In the end, I agree that Misfits is going in the wrong direction with all of the Alisha slut-shaming, but the first episode where it happens is much more infuriating than this latest one.
    ___

    In the Misfits segment, I think you did a lot of retelling and not enough analysis for a review, but it’s probably just because this is the first time you talk about Misfits.

    • I got angrier at the first episode of slut-shaming (i.e. cockmonster) because she felt like she had to apologize for her sexual past.

      And here she was apologizing for her sexual present. I agree with what you said concerning the sex-for-survival thing. I’m just wondering why Simon had to be the one to point out to her that what she’s doing is okay, that it’s for survival. And this is after Simon had to tell her that her past was okay, and that’s after Curtis was the one to tell her she’s “better than that.” I don’t know if it would have been better had it bee Kelly, but….will it ever be Kelly telling her something like this, or will it always be a guy? Now that I’m talking about it, there seems to be this bed of negativity surrounding Alisha’s sexuality: in season 1 she apparently had a lot of sex because she thought that was the only way to get everything, in the first episode of this season we learn her sexuality almost led Rudy idiot committing suicide (I’m happy she told him off. But why even bring it up? And then there’s that scene with Simon), and in this episode she’s doing it to survive yes, but she’s being degraded and she thinks of herself as a slut (and then sleeps with Simon).

      This episode just gave me more of an “again? feeling when it comes to Alisha with eyes downcast while someone tells her it’s okay.

      Will there be a time when they want to provide commentary through Alisha, and they don’t do it through her sexuality (by couching it into something that negatively affects her/other people’s psyche)? That’s what I’m most wondering. Yes, this episode provided great commentary (and I didn’t think about this beyond her doing what she needs to do to survive, so thinks for bringing up the sex workers bit), but how many more of these are in Alisha’s future?

      In the Misfits segment, I think you did a lot of retelling and not enough analysis for a review, but it’s probably just because this is the first time you talk about Misfits.

      I realized this while editing the episode. Correct me if I’m wrong, but thinking about it I don’t think Misfits has many episodes that call for analysis. There was the Curtis episode a few eps back, this Alisha thing (and Mr. Hirsch, I guess), and as my friend always points out, Simon/Alisha turning the superhero trope on it’s head

      (and this would be the only commentary the show is doing through Alisha where her sexuality doesn’t have much to do with it. If only some people would stop seeing that story as being about Simon and Alisha’s only part is to die, after supporting him of course).

      There must have been at least one in season 1, and there must have been others besides the superhero trope on season 2. Since this season has already had 2 of these types of episodes, maybe that’ll change. Or maybe now that I’m reviewing the episodes, I’ll pay more attention to the meta commentary, even when subtle.

  2. what the! new music Alta.

    I’ll only be here for Misfits. 😉

    I love Kelly. It was a gorilla Alta.

    Simon is a creeper. he also was eating a pizza with the body of a woman he killed.

    That old man should have stabbed hitler in the back. why not kill him as a baby.

    Gary. I liked seeing Gary.

    “vampire diaries … where women go to die.’ I shouldn’t have laugh.

    The ice girl came back too. she died with Nathan’s brother.

    My mom didn’t like when Curtis got shot.

    Seth can’t use the powers only trade them.

    That kiss was urff!

    Rudy with the door was the best! Those are his best scenes.

    Simon asked her why she was with him and then he says we’re all doing what we need to survive.
    why the hell did he ask her that question in the first place?

    Also I thought that Alisha in this universe was indentured. I mean did she have any power in that “relationship”.

    I love that Kelly headbutted hitler.

    I wish that Curtis got his powers back but I bet he would have gone back for Nikki.

    • It was a gorilla Alta.

      I know, but they kept saying monkey.

      The ice girl came back too. she died with Nathan’s brother.

      Is she the one who didn’t get shot?

      Simon asked her why she was with him and then he says we’re all doing what we need to survive.
      why the hell did he ask her that question in the first place?

      Because he could see that a girl like her could do so much better? Or something? What if she’d said he was just her sleazy boyfriend? *___*.

      I mean did she have any power in that “relationship”.

      It didn’t seem like it. I don’t remember saying one word against Sean until after she got with Simon.

      I wish that Curtis got his powers back but I bet he would have gone back for Nikki.

      I’d really like for him to mention her. I know he wasn’t in love with her, and it wasn’t that serious, but if they can bring Gary back, then they can remember that Curtis and Nikki dated and she died.

      • It was a gorilla Alta.

        I know, but they kept saying monkey.
        I was pulling a “Nathan”. 😉

        Is she the one who didn’t get shot?

        yes ans=d she’s also Iwan’s gf

        I think Nikki didn’t come back because Ruth is working. 😉

  3. New Music!

    Misfits:

    They need to remember that Simon was a creeper. Because that was such an important part of who he is.

    I didn’t realize how much screen time Nathan got until this season.

    I definitely think Simon would have burned the suit if the comic guy hadn’t interfered.

    Seth’s backstory was pretty interesting.

    I thought Seth was going to give Curtis Nathan’s power.

    Maybe his power is only dealing the powers (like maybe when he was a drug dealer he didn’t use and that translated into him being unable to use the powers he deals)?

    My problem with Simon reassuring her is that Alisha already knows she’s doing what she needs to do to survive.

    OUAT:

    They’re saying that the characters aren’t going to find out all at once so they’ll probably do quite a bit solo episodes.

    Snow White/Prince Charming are wonderful. Best decision they made was having their love be the love story for the show. They lucked out in the chemistry department with Ginnifer Goodwin and Josh Dallas.

    Emma’s motivation, outside of the tug of being Henry’s biological mother smh, needs an explanation beyond Henry because he is useless.

    I know Mary Margaret gave him the book, but she has no idea about the curse so it seems that the knowledge just fell into his lap because he read the stories. Which makes no sense because why he would believe them and why would believing them not raise some conflict in him about Regina, instead of him immediately hating her.

    Ugh! Emma should have found the books herself and been drawn to the town.

    Cinderella and her Prince looked so freaking basic.

    I hope, since they’re bringing in the Little Mermaid, that her prince is a poc.

    I did hear a splashing, but I didn’t think to consider that he turned into a toad.

    The Secret Circle:

    Faye is annoying as hell in the Pilot.

    It’s weird that they have Cassie starting to take on that role, even though the books don’t matter, as far as I can remember, that never happens in the books.

    What I don’t get about Charles killing Cassie’s mom with magic is couldn’t he do that from a distance?

    I’ve not rewatched anything with Adam’s dad. He is weird around Cassie. Like “please go to jail” weird.

    Remember when Cassie said that Adam’s dad was sweet after Adam basically said he was a drunk? Yeah, the way Cassie reacts to Adam’s dead is weird.

    The books coast on the destiny thing. Not as much as the show though.

    Adam is just a love interest in the books too. In fact the dudes are just love interests in the books.

    • I thought Seth was going to give Curtis Nathan’s power.

      Immortality? That never crossed my mind. He would’ve had some explaining to do. Though if he could control the powers he gave out, why did he give the Nazi one that can harm? What are the chances they would have killed him if he gave him the power to control dairy products? Eh, I guess he was between a rock and a hard place.

      Maybe his power is only dealing the powers

      Yeah, I think that’s it. His power is to get and transfer powers, not to use them.

      I know Mary Margaret gave him the book, but she has no idea about the curse so it seems that the knowledge just fell into his lap because he read the stories. Which makes no sense because why he would believe them and why would believing them not raise some conflict in him about Regina, instead of him immediately hating her.

      How did Mary-Margaret get the book? Where did it come from? What exactly is in it? Why are some pages missing? I want to see Regina looking at it so I can see what’s in it. And speaking of, is the Evil Queen’s goal just to live out her life in this town taking joy in the fairy tales not having happy endings? That’s kind of…anticlimactic. I’d get it if she was getting power (tangible magical power) from it all.

      Ugh! Emma should have found the books herself and been drawn to the town.

      Yes!

      What I don’t get about Charles killing Cassie’s mom with magic is couldn’t he do that from a distance?

      Oh! I think I just spotted the first continuity error on the show. But it also works well with Charles being a doofus. Jake said there’s only one right way to kill a witch so that their powers don’t get stronger or pass on to the next of kin or whatever. Charles didn’t do it like that. He didn’t use a personal item, none of that. He just killed her. I don’t remember the rule Jake laid out about what happens to the witch’s power when they’re killed wrong.

      He is weird around Cassie. Like “please go to jail” weird.

      For real.

      Remember when Cassie said that Adam’s dad was sweet after Adam basically said he was a drunk?

      Yup. “From where I stand that’s a good thing.” Or maybe it was, “And in my book that’s a good thing.” Either way, she said it in the Pilot.

      In fact the dudes are just love interests in the books.

      Then can they please reduce their screen time?

  4. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates. Don’t forget to pray for the souls of heathens like me!

    Pit of bitterness? LOL. So true

    So I finally watched the first 4 eps of OUAT. (As you know, I will *not* be trying TSC and I haven’t had time to try Misfits yet.) I am not that into it but I can’t put my finger on why. It feels boring to me. I think it is because I was expecting it to be weirder or have more humor? I wish they would have some odd humor in the midst of all the baby selling and fairy godmother killing.

    Lol. It is going to be like How I Met Your Mother. Flashforward was so sad – so much potential lost

    I love the actors who play Snow White/Mary, James/John Doe, Rumple/Mr. Gold and The Evil Queen/Regina. Idk about how they are writing Snow White. Are they basing it on the Disney cartoon or on diff variations of the actual fairytale? I ask because I loved the Disney version and I did not like seeing Snow White with a sword. Just no. I didn’t like The Evil Queen murdering her father with her bare hands either. No one was into direct violence in the Disney version. It was mostly about manipulation, trickery, traps and charm. Here’s the irony — remember how in the story the Queen sent a huntsman (or was it Woodsman?) to chop Snow White into pieces? And he’s some burly scary guy with an ax? But then Snow White survives by charming him with her goodness. So the designated violent person didn’t actually get violent and then the Queen herself goes to exact her revenge on Snow White but is not actually violent either – she uses a spell to *trap* Snow White forever. I imagined an updated Snow White surviving by charming, negotiating and making plans – not by weirdly becoming some sort of good witha sword thief. I guess I imagined a leader with enough charm to gain a following. She was royalty too. Why couldn’t she gain a following that opposed the Queen while she was in exile? If they were going to make her a kind of Robin Hood, where is her merry band? In the Disney fairytale, she was good at influencing other people/dwarfs/animals and getting them to help her or do as she says.

    In general, I think shows/movies sometimes go overboard with this kind of stuff. it’s just ridiculous to me to “empower” a female character by saying “oh and she can beat everyone up!” That’s not making her a 3-D person with agency, that’s just saying, she’s like a man in all the “coolest” ways because she is physically intimidating! And the kind of shot they used for that sword moment needs to be banned or, at least, strictly regulated. I like to call it the Big Swinging Dick shot. From the front to emphasize the length of it shooting out from her body? Just no. Sorry to keep harping on that moment but it was so jarring for me and I am trying to figure out why. It is a defining moment for Snow White. It is the end point of the original fairytale – her wedding – and she seemed so unlike Snow White. I had no ideas on how Prince Charming should be. He was a blank slate. They could make him anything and I wouldn’t blink.

    I think Emma calls Henry kid as a way of emotionally distance herself from him. I don’t think it is about being tough per se. I mean, the woman drives a tiny bright yellow car (which I covet btw.) She is still unsure of her position in his life but she has a feeling that she should stay. She still has one foot in and one foot out. There is this whole thing about what they should call each other in ep 4 which seems to be about figuring out their level of intimacy? I think that Emma decides to stay in town permanently after her talk with Cinderella in the car.

    I kinda understand why Emma is still there. In her mind, Henry has lost touch with reality. That is a pretty big deal. She gave him up to have a good life – not to be stuck in some fantasy world to escape his own mother (or so I imagine Emma thinks). Also, Emma is pretty experienced with criminals. She is probably good at spotting shady people. I think the moment things changed for Emma was when she was vulnerable with Regina (in the pilot?) by talking about how lonely she is. Regina showed no reaction at all. She was incapable of empathy. Idk. That is evidence of shallow emotions to me. There were several other times that Regina showed a similar lack of empathy or faked empathy to manipulate. I think that each time Regina acted/responded that way or manipulated situations without any thought to Henry’s state of mind, it only reinforced Emma’s resolve to stay. I mean, *we* know that Regina is not hurting Henry (except to mess with him to get rid of Emma) and she probably never hurt Henry intentionally but Emma doesn’t know that for sure. Emma only knows that something is very wrong. Henry is *crazy* as far as she knows and, rightly or wrongly, she thinks the woman who raised him is responsible for that to some degree. Btw, I like how played the moment when she answered Emma’s question about loving Henry. It was like Regina was thinking to herself “What does that even mean? Love?” but answered with practiced steeliness to avoid any sign of weakness. And it seemed like Emma was watching her closely. I am probably reading too much into things but Emma staying makes sense to me. If she had left, even for a little bit, it would have been a WTF moment for me.

    I think that Emma vs. Regina has to be somewhat about Henry even though I agree that there is something off about the way the show is handling it. The whole show seems to be about parents and children, and parents and children being hidden from each other. Plus, Henry is a big part of Regina’s happy ending. I think the conflict has to be about something other than breaking the curse so it is either Henry or Regina’s political power which wouldn’t make sense for Emma at this point.

    Henry should be a mess. I don’t get his lack of fear and anxiety. I totally get what you are saying. Henry is secretly a robot. Ugh! I know right! The first time I watched the pilot, I was wondering why this show wasn’t just about Mary/Emma/Regina. Why can’t the show be about the actual fairytale characters and not someone from “our world” too? Eh, what can ya do? It will be hilarious as hell if Henry turns out to be a fairytale character too and that is why he sounds older. Like, maybe he was supposed to be a seer or wise man on the other side and that is why everything is clear to him here. Maybe Henry’s father is someone who left town for a while and hooked up with Emma. I am trying to make it work, Alta. I can’t stand this character.

    LOL. “They were not attractive” I am dying. Poor Cinderella and Thomas actors.

    Alta, you know it is Race!Highlander in most shows. There can only be one! . A POC princess/prince who gets a happy ending? Unthinkable. Whiteness s what gives these *fairytales* (LOL) authenticity dontcha know. Everything else can be changed but we can’t ever changed that. Your happy ending is on BET Ok. They don’t need to change their behavior. *You* need to stop your complaining.

    I noticed Cinderella’s make up. She looked orange in her wedding.

    Why do you think Mr. Gold knows they are trapped? I think he figured out something but not the full story maybe? I agree that Rumple knew that Cinderella was trapping him. Btw, Rumple was supposed to be taken out by another princess. I guess she failed. I wonder where she is. Maybe later she became The Evil Queen? She must have lost a child at some point because her bff in fairytale land alluded to her losing someone. She said something like even this curse wouldn’t bring a loved one back.

    I thought Cinderella was lying to Rumple about her kingdom being poor in order to trap him. I thought she was making it up like she made up the second child. I was kinda taken aback by her husband’s reaction to everything. He just found out that his wife *sold* their child to gain a comfortable life. Sure, she was tricked into it but he didn’t feel even a tiny bit of anger? I guess that is how fairytales work.

    I didn’t hear the splashing but it is very possible. There has to be a reason he was standing next to a well and suddenly disappeared.

    The moment Rumple killed the fairy godmother gave me such a shock. The actress is so pretty – beautiful bone structure. I kept staring and staring at her face and then suddenly she EXPLODED. Damn near gave me a heart attack. Cinderella is such a vapid psycho. She barely blinked when her fairy godmother was *murdered* in front of her. She jumped right into making deals with the murderer.

    We don’t actually know how Emma came to the conclusion that giving up Henry was the right thing to do. Maybe she was talked into it. We know that Rumple was involved somehow. Maybe he manipulated the situation. Maybe Emma wouldn’t have given up Henry without his meddling.

    Emma just created a happy ending for Cinderella though. I wonder if this kind of thing weakens the curse.

    Oh God. Graham is so hot.

    Is it weird to anyone else that Henry has aged? How? I thought time stood still in the town?

    The only other pressing question I have about the show is the following.

    Is Emma
    A) The Ugly Duckling?
    B) Jesus? (Is it implied that Mary is a virgin?)
    C) Superman?
    D) A fairy godmother?
    E) All of the above?
    F) None of the above?

    • Btw, I like how played the moment when she answered Emma’s question about loving Henry.

      *Btw, I like how Lana Parrilla played the moment when she answered Emma’s question about loving Henry.

    • Why couldn’t she gain a following that opposed the Queen while she was in exile?

      I’m guessing she didn’t go around preaching that the Queen was trying to kill her. Maybe she didn’t want the Queen to make her people suffer?

      And the kind of shot they used for that sword moment needs to be banned or, at least, strictly regulated. I like to call it the Big Swinging Dick shot. From the front to emphasize the length of it shooting out from her body? Just no.

      You’re talking about the wedding scene, right? I’m not that familiar with the fairy tale, or any of these fairy tales really, and I’ve only seen the Disney movie once. I know Snow White never wielded a sword, but the changes aren’t that bothersome to me.

      I am trying to make it work, Alta. I can’t stand this character.

      Lmao!

      Your happy ending is on BET Ok.

      Oh no you did not go there. I need to remember that they’re just “Staying true to the story.”

      Why do you think Mr. Gold knows they are trapped?

      He couldn’t have known in advance, so I don’t think he did a spell to protect himself. The only way he couldn’t expected it is if the Queen went to talk to him (have they shown that?) or he heard James and Snow White talking in the hallway of the dungeon. I think you’re right that he figured it out. Maybe as a magical person, he’s immune from mind-alterating spells.

      I was kinda taken aback by her husband’s reaction to everything.

      He was so lame. I think they overdid the whole He Wants Her To Be Happy thing. I mean James disagreed with Snow White. Come now. I never considered Cinderella could have been lying to Rumpel.

      She barely blinked when her fairy godmother was *murdered* in front of her. She jumped right into making deals with the murderer.

      You’re so right!!!!

      Is it weird to anyone else that Henry has aged? How? I thought time stood still in the town?

      Good point.

      I think I’d be very annoyed if it was revealed that Emma was manipulated into giving Henry up. This adoption story is annoying enough and treats the fact that Regina is Henry’s mother badly enough.

      Yeah, I’m wondering if Emma will turn out to be a fairy tale character and if so, which one. I think some people speculated she could be the Swan Princess.

      Mary is so not a virgin. Lol.

      • I think some people speculated she could be the Swan Princess.

        The Ugly Duckling turns into the Swan. The fact that Emma has never had a home and is now finding a home also fits into that story.

        Mary is so not a virgin. Lol.

        Rofl. Emma is still the savior who came into this world in ways that had nothing to do with sex. And her mother’s name is Mary. Look, now that I see all the religious themes everywhere, I can’t unsee 😛 With all her blue and red jackets + the blue shirt/red jacket combo she wore in this ep, she is Jesus!Supergirl 😉

        Kidding Kidding

        I dreamed about watching a tv show which had the actress who played fairy godmother in a lead role last night. I think it was some sort of procedural. There were lots of close ups of her face. *Siiiigh* Well, at least, I still have Graham and Ruby for eye candy but not for long I think. I know that someone is going to die by ep 6-7 because that is a tv law now. It has to be “shocking”. Except it is going to be the most predictable thing ever

        • I think the actor who played Graham said he’d only be back for flashbacks of the Hunstman.

          Emma did come into the world through sex. Am I remembering wrong? Did Rumpel have anything to do with Snow becoming pregnant?

          • Emma did come into the world through sex

            Not “Our World” She got here as a new born through magical means. Lol. Or maybe she is actually Superman because she has parents but she got here on a vessel from another world. I shouldn’t be joking about this on Christmas.

            Every time there is a “savior” in a story, I wait for the Jesus moments these days. Remember the promo shots of Clark on that scarecrow post from Smallville?

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