Episode 48: Disturbing Behavior

Episode 48

Spoiler chat: 02:43.375-08:51.656

Quote of the Podcast: “What is the point of re-watching Damon’s scenes in season 2 if I can go from him killing Alaric in season 1 to him killing Alaric in season 3?!”

In this episode, Elena, Caroline, and Alaric are one to two seasons too late in having a realistic reaction to Damon’s behavior (welcome to Bonnie’s club), I realize that Stefan/Rebekah/Klaus make up a trio who do/are the opposite of what the story tells us, Bonnie finally comes back, and I side-eye Anna (and Jeremy).

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30 thoughts on “Episode 48: Disturbing Behavior

  1. You’re on to the big time now Alta. 😉 I love hearing the smile in your voice.

    Damon asking Bonnie – no!

    OMG ELENA ASKIN JEREMY TO DO ANYTHING! UGH!

    Lexi’s back … *eye roll*

    Where were you in season 2 “Honesty police”? LOL

    This show is so bad.

    You know those words will never come out of Bonnie’s mouth. I would love it if she did say those things – fandom be damned- but it will never happen outside of fic. :-/

    All of this is from the vampire’s (Damon) POV.

    Poor Liz. What is this show?

    Gosh I miss Damon in the season 1 finally.

    I hate the way Caroline is being put down in EVERYEPISODE!

    Council meeting …

    They Named Bill “Bill” just so the could say “Kill Bill”

    Ian’s eye acting …

    You figure Elena would be tired of all the death …

    That must be a meta question that Damon asked about all the characters checking him.

    ALSO Caroline and Tyler scene is another banter fluke because Caroline said he smelled and then she wants to have sex with him. It took me out of the scene.

    Damon and Elena … smh. I don’t know why we are supposed to think this is normal/natural. It’s only sad that it took Alaric this long.

    I think Caroline snuck into the Lockwood house. Elena is a cock block, but that’s what I mean about it takes me out when Caroline complains so badly about Tyler stinking and then she wants to have sex with him … okay. I believe the scene was to show that Caroline with Tyler is the most normal thing on the show. I’m forgetting about their super natural-ness when they are together in like they were in his room. It made me feel like I was watching a teen show in ABC family or something.

    Bonnie and Elena are not really friend as far as I’m concerned.

    This scene was out of place and she’s pouting and where’s the continuity? Where is it?

    “it‘s so lame … and it gets LAMER” lol “And it gets worse!”

    I feel like Klaus has pity on men who don’t give Rebecca what she wants because she will whine at them until they die and Klaus doesn’t like whining.

    Stefan going after Gloria was really dumb. I was the same scene (pretty much) whenever Damon comes after Bonnie and she tosses his ass back.

    Yeah what did Katherine do all the time she was away from Stefan? She got with Mason, she indebted Lucy to her. She was free and clear for 150+ years she tricked everyone into thinking she was in the tomb. What is this? Who is this character, because she is not the Katherine of season 1-2 flashbacks.

    OMG Greta and Gloria … they are all laughing their asses off at these vampires who think they used them. Laughing over drinks and their new found power. FIC IS NEEDED!

    Thank god for small favors! Katherine used the right term. \o/

    Katherine gets to be with Stefan. That’s what she gets.

    Reunion with Jeremy is the only reason Bonnie came to the Gilbert house. She was being polite to and old “friend”.

    Moonstone TROLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!

    Bonnie could talk to Caroline about what’s going on in MF. We could go to her house, we could have scenes with her father. She could be doing magic for herself without the rest of the characters knowing. Dubious magic too. Evil smile!

    “Please shut up Elena.” lol this.

    I wanted Bonnie not to chastised Caroline about whatever questions she was asking. I’d love for Elena to look at Bonnie like: hey aren’t you supposed to be handling this?
    And then Bonnie just looking at Elena like: answer the question, Elena.

    Alta when weird things happen in public or private people will deny and rationalize it to protect their minds. It was like on BtVS when the whole town was willfully ignorant about living on top of a hell mouth. Or the Doctor’s explanation about riding around in a big blue box. If people saw a big blue box hanging out in a peculiar place they would walk by it because they have other things on their mind and they don’t want to be bothered or distracted too much from those comforting things.

    Gloria was the best.

    “This show is so horrible …” Indeed.

    • I believe the scene was to show that Caroline with Tyler is the most normal thing on the show.

      Maybe. I think I remember someone saying they were the most normal couple on the show or something.

      I feel like Klaus has pity on men who don’t give Rebecca what she wants because she will whine at them until they die and Klaus doesn’t like whining.

      Lol.

      She was being polite to and old “friend”.

      Lmao.

      Bonnie could talk to Caroline about what’s going on in MF. We could go to her house, we could have scenes with her father. She could be doing magic for herself without the rest of the characters knowing. Dubious magic too. Evil smile!

      That would have been good too. I can’t wait to hear rumors of the casting of her father.

      I wanted Bonnie not to chastised Caroline about whatever questions she was asking. I’d love for Elena to look at Bonnie like: hey aren’t you supposed to be handling this?
      And then Bonnie just looking at Elena like: answer the question, Elena.

      I wanted that too.

      You’re right about people rationalizing things. But they should have someone see it and start to investigate it. Charmed did it, and Smallville did it.

  2. Also Brian Young wrote this episode. He wrote Crying Wolf, Rose, Brave New World and a Few Good Men. He also co-wrote: Family Ties, History Repeating, Unpleasentville (latter bolded for the Caroline/Bonnie scenes [is also the reason I want to bold Isobel …]) , Let the Right One In, Isobel and The Last Day …

    So maybe he’s just given up now or they’re re-writing him.

    • Yes! I was actually kind of looking forward to this ep because Brian Young has written/co-written some of my favourite episodes of the entire series (the ones you bolded, Cana, and Let the Right One In 🙂 ). He can write. So I don’t know …

  3. Your podcast gives me life! Thank you!

    spoilers:

    – They would be stupid enough to try and date magic.

    – Elena needs to stay away from everyone. She’s probably going to ask Lexi to help her with Stefan. (I am so worried that they’re going to ruin Stefan and Lexi’s friendship some more with this ‘she brings him back’ bullshit.)

    – I hope Mason attacks Damon. Mason is in the episode for Damon because that was his important relationship.

    – Re: Caroline/Elena’s conversations; Why do conversations even happen on this show?

    – Caroline compelling Bill would have made more sense. There’s the question of whether Bill needed to be compelled, you know?

    – The only person Damon cares about is Elena.

    – It’s sad that they tried to act like Damon cares about Caroline. Just in terms of his interactions with Bill. He has no reason to hate him the way does or seems to.

    – The point of the s2 finale was to get Elena to kiss Damon. If you think about it, that’s why Stefan spent most of the episode hanging out with Klaus and then bounced.

    – Alaric telling Damon to take a beat could have happened with Jenna. It could have happened with Uncle John. Hell, it could have happened with Isobel since she clearly wasn’t into him being around her.

    – They’re going to retcon the Founding Families.

    – I can get loopholes, you know? I can understand a person getting into the specificity of language and meaning (what is inferred vs. what is implied) and using that thought process to work around a command, as long as the command wasn’t too specific. I was actually hoping that they would go there with Matt and I have a bunch of half written ficlets to that effect.

    What I don’t get or buy is a person/vampire being able to resist compulsion entirely. Vervain exists for a reason and that’s nature’s protection against compulsion. Not sheer force of will, especially not when that will is attached to a cipher. It would be one thing to have someone learn to do this, in front of us, it’s another thing to ask us to accept it as fact.

    – Elena doesn’t care about people.

    – Is Damon supposed to be cute or what are we supposed to feel about him? Because I’m at the point where, the writers do not care. Not even about Damon, who gets a lot of screen time, but has no real development or concern put into making his character understandable in anyway.

    – This show lacks an essential story/mythology/goal/desire outside of the triangle. The writers don’t even care about the main 3. They care about making the triangle work. Or something. Because every character (especially the younger characters) has a potential arc that would not have necessarily lead to their death, at least not yet, and all of these arcs have the potential to be wrapped into the larger framework of the show. If the show had a framework instead of a triangle that is about nothing. So Damon is what he is right now and Stefan will get forgiven and nothing ever really happens on this show.

    – I feel like Elena and Katherine existing in the same space and time is not interesting. At least Nina Dobrev’s portrayal has steadily gotten weaker.

    – Alaric’s face during the initial Damon/Elena scene was spot-on for most of the viewing audience.

    – You know how I feel about Stefan/Klaus/Rebecca. It’s a damn shame the writers don’t care.

    They’re chilling because shopping looks cool, I guess.

    Because Stefan wants some air! It’s funny because it’s true.

    – Not only was she forgetting Memory Lane, she forgot By the Light of the Moon or whichever episode when they were trapped in the tomb, when Stefan was willing to starve so he could watch her starve. I don’t get why she’s still into him when he hates her that much.

    – Katherine calling Klaus smart must have been an attempt at comedy.

    – Klaus’s face after Stefan insults him is hilarious.

    – Gloria’s poker face is glorious. Gloria is glorious.

    – It’s because Klaus is in love. Or just really hard up.

    – Stefan tried to kill Gloria and it makes absolutely no sense, for either the storyline or for making Stefan not look like an idiot. Gloria wasn’t working for Klaus. She wasn’t going to hurt Elena. She just wanted the necklace. It makes no sense. They just wanted to kill a witch (even though I don’t think she’s dead).

    – I wish everyone would stop talking about Stefan’s feelings and that Stefan would start saying things because I am over hearing about his feelings/motivations from other people.

    – I wouldn’t mind Stefan judging Katherine so much if they were actually specific about the nature of his hate and his hate had nothing to do with her being a vampire, but him still not being over what she did to him. But the show will never deal with or acknowledge that in a real way.

    – Lexi found him sometime after his memories were wiped. I think in 1922? And she’s still trying to pull him back into the 30s. So he was probably still killing people.

    – The Jeremy/Anna stuff was a bit much. Anna didn’t even know Vicki. So she shouldn’t be able to give her a name anyway. Not from sight, at least.

    – Bonnie/Jeremy have a lot of quieter moments that add up to a stronger relationship than Tyler/Caroline which exists primarily in the physical and his whole wolf!arc (which wasn’t about feelings until an episode or two before he decided to be a part of her torture party).

    – I’m actually hoping that we’re going to find out that Anna is lying about a few things. Because Vicki hasn’t actually said anything suspect. At least not anything that was meant to influence people in against anyone or anything. She’s not playing on her previous relationship with Jeremy. She’s shown more emotions about seeing Matt. She may in fact be, primarily, hanging out around Matt. And she’s asked for help. If there’s violence or whatever around her, Anna’s quick to appear after her. I don’t know. I’m not interested in either of them being bad, but I’m less interested in Vicki being the bad ghost.

    – It’s because TVD is ridiculous. So people not noticing super powers happen is just weird. No one even notices that the air has been disturbed.

    • (I am so worried that they’re going to ruin Stefan and Lexi’s friendship some more with this ‘she brings him back’ bullshit.)

      The Lexi/Stefan friendship is going to morph into all the things she does for him. It’s going to be completely about Stefan. Like Stelena. I’m positive the Fandom will see to it.

      Mason is in the episode for Damon because that was his important relationship.

      Lol!!!!

      – They’re going to retcon the Founding Families.

      Most likely. I just realized why they included those random people. They didn’t want to include Tobias Fell yet, but they wanted to make it seem like more than 1 person is ignorant of the Forbes/Lockwood/Salvatore secret. But really, there’s only one person on that Council who doesn’t know, so please.

      Vervain exists for a reason and that’s nature’s protection against compulsion.

      Exactly! Same thing with this whole emotions can make a vampire stronger. Since when? When Stefan seemed stronger in season 1 despite being on animal blood, that was the show taking liberties with the vampires’ limits. I always thought the mechanism of a vamp being able to turn off their feelings was the equivalent of a witch’s emotions fueling her powers. They turn off their feelings, and they’re at the height of their ability to be a vampire.

      – This show lacks an essential story/mythology/goal/desire outside of the triangle.

      Yes. I was just thinking this morning that we’re 4 episodes in and I don’t see even the beginnings of an arc for any of the characters except for Jeremy and Stefan. That’s it! How many characters does this show have? Caroline has yet to miss an episode, and I don’t even know where she’s going for the season.

      Because Stefan wants some air! It’s funny because it’s true.

      Lmao!

      – I wouldn’t mind Stefan judging Katherine so much if they were actually specific about the nature of his hate and his hate had nothing to do with her being a vampire, but him still not being over what she did to him. But the show will never deal with or acknowledge that in a real way.

      Exactly. As things stand, Stefan seems to hate Katherine because that’s what he’s supposed to do as the good brother.

      It would be good if Anna turned out to be the bad one. Vicky being the one is so obvious.

      • The Lexi/Stefan friendship is going to morph into all the things she does for him. It’s going to be completely about Stefan. Like Stelena. I’m positive the Fandom will see to it.

        It makes me so angry because in s1 their friendship was interesting because despite drinking animal blood, Stefan was okay with Lexi drinking human blood. It just wasn’t for him. She found him weird, but she didn’t push human blood as something he had to drink. Imagining the friendship that was formed from that dynamic, assuming, as I had, that Stefan had pulled himself out of his bad periods, and that Lexi was supportive, but not directly involved outside of being supportive. I’d also assumed that animal blood came as a last resort. Something Stefan started doing because the temptation of human blood did not dissipate enough when he could control his intake, nullifying that control. Now it’s about her essentially deciding they were going to be friends because she runs vampire rehab or something and I have a hard time imagining them doing some of the things they’ve done now.

        I always thought the mechanism of a vamp being able to turn off their feelings was the equivalent of a witch’s emotions fueling her powers. They turn off their feelings, and they’re at the height of their ability to be a vampire.

        YES. I think one of the dumber things they’ve done is say that vampires can’t turn off their emotions after a certain amount of years. To what end? Why are they ever able to turn off their emotions? And I agree that it makes sense that turning off one’s feelings, for a vampire, would work, especially in this verse, to heighten a vampire’s power.

        As things stand, Stefan seems to hate Katherine because that’s what he’s supposed to do as the good brother.

        Which is such a boring way to frame his hate, as something without motivation. It’s amazing to me that the writers are failing to capitalize on how the new dynamic between Stefan/Katherine is the direct result of her compelling for months on end and what that actually says about his relationship with Elena. Because, I’ve seen a lot of people talk about how his relationship with Elena is about creating what he thought he had with Katherine and I agree with that to a certain extent, but I also think it’s important to note that if Katherine hadn’t compelled Stefan to be with her, she would have had to compel Stefan to forget about what she was, because he wouldn’t have been with her after finding that out. He never gets to make a decision about that. How then is it possible for him to even be with Elena, whatever he wants to say about the goodness of her soul (sorry bro, you’ve made another miscalculation)? Damon wanting Elena makes sense. Stefan being able to be with her and the show never going into how, in a meaningful way, is just weird and boring.

        And we, more or less, know where Stefan’s and Jeremy’s arcs are going to end. So there’s no need for anticipation. Though I am interested in what’s going to happen with Jeremy.

        • Now it’s about her essentially deciding they were going to be friends because she runs vampire rehab or something and I have a hard time imagining them doing some of the things they’ve done now.

          Now that you mention it, it does color their history (the one we heard about in season 1). I liked the thought of them being close and yet Stefan still hadn’t told Lexi about his Ripper thing. That hinted at the degree thing I keep talking about lately. Like, not only was Stefan private about that but it might be a turnoff to Lexi. But now when I think about them being at the Bon Jovi concert, I picture Lexi screaming over the music, “This is what fun is, Stefan! Remember?! This is one of the perks of being able to feeeelllll!!!!”

          Why are they ever able to turn off their emotions?

          I understand why it would be necessary since they get hit with a lot upon turning into a vampire. So it’s kind of like a coping mechanism. A very self-serving one since turning their emotions off means they’ll kill without remorse for any reason (which again links to how turning off the switch should be the equivalent of a witch getting a boost from her emotions), but a coping mechanism non the less. At the time Rose said it, it made sense that the switch would eventually stop working but since they’re now mucking up the vamp mythology, I can’t think of a good reason the switch would stop working.

          Everything you said about Stefan and Katherine. And I can’t believe the dynamic between him and Katherine is the same even though he’s a Ripper now. He should be wanting to punish her (going with the idea that he’s still messed up because of what she did) or cruelly throwing in her face the fact that he’ll never love her. Something!

          • But now when I think about them being at the Bon Jovi concert, I picture Lexi screaming over the music, “This is what fun is, Stefan! Remember?! This is one of the perks of being able to feeeelllll!!!!”

            lmao!

            Their friendship had a certain depth to it before all this talk of rehab came into play. Even with Stefan keeping the Ripper stuff from her.

            I meant why in terms of what they’re doing with the mythology now. Before I got why the emotions would shut off and why after a time they might turn back on, but now I don’t see the point. It’s like the writers want vampires to be extra special humans without thinking about everything the changes suggest.

            He should be wanting to punish her (going with the idea that he’s still messed up because of what she did) or cruelly throwing in her face the fact that he’ll never love her. Something!

            I was so hopeful that part of what he’d be doing thing season was 1) throwing it in Katherine’s face that he didn’t love her and 2) throwing it in Damon’s face that no one loved him, but nope. That would actually be enjoyable and potentially funny and/or revealing.

            • Yeah, now I don’t see the point either. Back in season 1, they basically made it sound like Stefan being a Ripper was the equivalent of a normal vamp turning their switch off. But now we’re seeing Stefan as the Ripper, and we’re not seeing a difference in his behavior, his thought process, or his reaction to things. 

              I can’t remember: were we supposed to be working under the assumption that Damon had his switch off at the beginning of season 1? Because I think that was the point of his conversation with Stefan in Blood Brothers where he said the guilt is there if he wants to feel it.

              • But now we’re seeing Stefan as the Ripper, and we’re not seeing a difference in his behavior, his thought process, or his reaction to things.

                Which could potentially say fascinating things about Stefan as a character and how he works and how he’s emotionally capable in a way that is actually based on an understanding of emotions rather than the effect of emotions have on him. But the show isn’t telling that story.

                We’re not even seeing the difference we saw during the blood!arc, which was such, Paul played the difference brilliantly, a potentially well constructed arc, but it had no fallout and now the writers are mucking things up.

                I can’t remember: were we supposed to be working under the assumption that Damon had his switch off at the beginning of season 1?

                I believe so, but his characterization contradicted that a bit since his primary drive in s1 was fueled by emotions. Maybe the vampire can be selective about which emotions he or she feels? Or maybe the emotions primarily dealing with remorse are what get turned off?

                • Maybe the vampire can be selective about which emotions he or she feels? Or maybe the emotions primarily dealing with remorse are what get turned off?

                  That is how I understood it too. Damon told Stefan that he could feel guilty if he wanted to in season one but he was clearly feeling other feelings. He obviously felt things for Stefan and Elena. During the sacrifice, Elena told Jenna to turn her fear off so it looks like other emotions can be turned off too. Maybe new vampires turn off wtvr emotion is overwhelming them at any given time.

        • It’s amazing to me that the writers are failing to capitalize on how the new dynamic between Stefan/Katherine is the direct result of her compelling for months on end and what that actually says about his relationship with Elena.

          IKR! In season one, I really thought they were going into this especially after Lexi brought this up in 162 Candles. Why did they set this up if they weren’t going into this? AAAAARRRRRRGGGG!! This show. This angers me more than the Lexi madness. Lexi better be part of some secret vampire organization that is experimenting on ways to rehabilitate vampires so that they can come out to the world.

          • Lexi better be part of some secret vampire organization that is experimenting on ways to rehabilitate vampires so that they can come out to the world.

            I bet this is what the writers are intending to do. They’re smart like that.

            Why did they set this up if they weren’t going into this?

            This is the mystery of the entire show. The entire show.

    • – I hope Mason attacks Damon. Mason is in the episode for Damon because that was his important relationship.

      I bed Mason won’t even mention Tyler lalala!

      – Elena doesn’t care about people.

      True.

      – Katherine calling Klaus smart must have been an attempt at comedy.

      This. Because I was not buying it.

  4. – Congratulations, Alta! 😀

    Lol at the show sucking harder and harder. That is pretty much a guarantee. My former fandom friend used have the theory that the head CW Dawn Ostroff was to blame for a lot of the shows sucking and that things might change with a new boss. Lol Maybe the change helped Nikita (and I hear Supernatural) but not this show. Btw, you guys need to check out Nikita. Season one was sometimes rocky but this season is good (by CW standards) so far. They have a lower budget so the show doesn’t look as good visually but they put this show to shame on a regular basis. I mean, the “evil” character actually felt *bad* for a sec when she thought that she had succeeded in killing her enemy/”good guy” (whether this show has any “good guys” or “bad guys” is debatable). People are actually people on that show and they are all working for their own goals or have different motivations for working for the same goal. It is still pretty violent though. Of the three CW shows I watch, I like it the best. Nikita>Ringer>TVD. I might try TSC in the middle of its second season. I want to see if it follows the same pattern as TVD. Ok end of OT

    – Spoilers – What is the point of exploring the history of the Originals at this point? God! This Show

    – I don’t understand the Original Witch stuff either. I thought witches and werewolves were older than vampires. Witches age and die AFAIK. How can the Original Witch (if there is such a thing) exist at the same time as the Original Vampires? Unless witches didn’t precede vampires by much time…which would be idiotic. Are they trying to tell us that new witches managed to put this curse on Klaus?

    – Ugh! I hate how this show uses these stupid town events as a short cut instead of showing us how people actually live in this town organically. They refuse to show us these kids in school or interacting with any of their peers or having hobbies or having personal goals like winning a football game or shopping or having their hair done even but they are all at these events anyway. Why? Do they even know anyone else in the town?

    – Why would Damon even need to ask Bonnie to figure out the ghosts? Shouldn’t she motivated to do so because they are haunting her bf as a result of a spell she did? Why must Damon be inserted into every storyline? Why? First Caroline and now Bonnie. Why must they ruin the girls for this bug-eyed monster?

    – I don’t want Damon near Jeremy. It is making my skin crawl just thinking about it. I don’t even know why. It is almost like when Caroline acts like she is cool with Damon. What has Damon done for Jeremy except get him killed twice? Jeremy’s current ghost situation is a direct result of him trying to help Damon. I bet Damon won’t feel any remorse or anything about that. He will only think about how to use Jeremy. What Jeremy is going through won’t matter. I want Beremy and Caroline to ditch the ToD, at least temporarily, and work on something by themselves. I know it won’t happen.

    – The only good thing about Mason coming back is going to be the hotness of the actor. OMG! Recast Damon with that guy. I won’t mind him as much because I won’t be able to register much of what he will say or do. I will be too busy swooning.

    And of course, Tyler won’t be in the ep that ghost!Mason is going to be in. That will draw too much attention to the actual fuckupedness of the current group dynamic. Mason’s anger will be disconnected from anything or anyone else. It will be all about Damon facing “consequences” because that is what fans have been complaining about. Except it will be meaningless because the show still refuses to show the damage his actions inflict on people. In this case, Tyler and Carol. They will skip right over that so Tyler and Carol can continue to be buddy buddy with ToD. Mason will be gone by the end of the ep and the writers will consider that issue closed.

    – TVD CANNOT do build-up. And on the rare cases they do, they fail to follow-through on it like the whole 20s Klefan/Rebekah flashbacks

    – The show is trying to have it both ways. Caroline spoke to Elena about Damon but bringing up actual facts about what he did would highlight the ongoing damage his actions have had on people. That can’t happen. They can’t acknowledge that the damage doesn’t end when the action that caused it is done.

    – If Elena talks to Bonnie about Damon expecting support or understanding, the writers will have rewrote both characters so much. Elena has always been reluctant to talk to Bonnie about vampires because she knows Bonnie is not that cool with them. Elena shut out Bonnie for this reason. And Bonnie can’t possibly just sit there and nod her head as Elena whines. She has to say something like, I told you so. Obviously, she would say it more politely but still.

    – Like I wrote on TWOP once, Damon>>>This Universe and Every Other Universe Without Another Damon In It.

    – What part of this storyline was about Caroline? The getting tortured part? Because people who care about didn’t get to have conversations how to handle the situation and she didn’t get to try and work it out with her father or get angry at him or anything. She simply told him goodbye basically. The show didn’t even explore Bill as a character. The whole thing became about Damon’s crazy.

    – People elsewhere figured out the gay subtext to the Caroline/Tyler and Caroline/Liz storylines before this. It should have stayed subtext. Humans don’t have to accept people who feed on them or steal their blood supply. WTH?!

    – You guys, werewolves are not persons in TVD verse. Their POV is even more poorly presented than that of witches. No one gave a damn about Damon going after Mason even in the beginning. Remember when Elena told the Salvatores to do what it takes to get Caroline back from the werewolves. I doubt that she would have said the same thing about humans. I mean, Stefan actually didn’t kill those kids who were compelled by Alaric!Klaus and even stopped Damon from killing one because it was wrong to do so. But he had no trouble with Damon ripping out Mason’s heart and he had no trouble ripping out the hearts of all werewolves not named Tyler. Not even Tyler cares about other werewolves. At least, Bonnie cares somewhat when witches she knows die. Wanting to commit werewolf genocide is nothing. This is one of the disturbing aspects of the show for me. There is a real hierarchy of species(/races) on the show and werewolves are at the bottom. As far as the value of life goes, it is Human>Vampire>Witch>Werewolf. I say human first because even “good” vampires, whose food source is humans, frown on killing humans unnecessarily.

    – Re: the torture chamber. Maybe Forbes family members have always been in law enforcement (oh hey, what if one if the reasons Liz married Bill is that she knew having the last name Forbes would be an asset in her chosen career?). Maybe they didn’t have the reaction Giuseppe did to finding out about his sons. I wonder if they tried to keep their vampire family members a secret and tried to rehabilitate them just like Bill tried to do. Maybe Bill was simply doing what his family has always done in this situation. Maybe the Forbes family was aware of vampires before anyone else because they discovered one of them was a vampire. Idk. Just fanwanking.

    – I don’t think Damon was standing up for Caroline. The suggestion that Caroline’s natural impulses can be changed would mean that Damon’s could change which made him angry. If a vampire can change to the core then that messes with the “bad brother” image Damon is so attached to. I trust Damon to make everything about himself. Even Elena’s potential transformation into a vampires was about how much that would suck for him – not how much it would suck for *her*

    – I have been wondering since season one why the non-FF people in town, who know about vampires, don’t challenge the Council or try to get in the Council. So, of course, the show made that person be Alaric and not a new character who is from the town and is fed up with all the deaths. How awesome would it have been if this was Bonnie’s dad after he found out what is going on with his daughter and vampires?

    – OMG! Liz! You are right. Why didn’t they have Liz contact Bill to ask about compulsion and the supernatural since he seems to have more experience dealing with this stuff? Carol did call him to deal with Caroline after all. Liz does have an incentive to learn how to resist compulsion because drinking vervain wasn’t enough to protect her the first time she was compelled. She could have tried to keep Caroline out of it and failed. That way the story could have actually been about Caroline and her family – their relationships and dynamics.

    – The only time IS was good in this ep was when Damon was attacking Bill. It might have something to with having a natural vamp face (pale skin, dark hair) Lol. He also really sold the moment when he is savoring Bill’s blood and his eyes roll back. Someone needs to tell this man that he can be half-way decent when he is not bugging his eyes out.

    – Elena looks scared of Damon A LOT. Idk how people think this pairing is romantic. I get people who like it because they like disturbing ships but the people who legit thinks it is an awesome relationship?? Their relationship sometimes looks like the classic abuse cycle. Tension starts with disagreement->Tension continues to build->Something triggers abuse which could be physical, psychological or sexual->Apology where excuses are given or victim is blamed or the abuse is denied etc->Honeymoon phase when no abuse is taking place->Lather, rinse, repeat. This became clear to me in early season two.

    Jeremy Neck Snap Incident.

    Elena tells him she’s shocked he would ever think she’s kiss him (at the party)->Katherine’s around blah blah-> Scene in Elena’s bedroom, culminating in killing Jeremy->Tells her he didn’t know about the ring but eventually comes clean and apologizes-> No abuse takes place for awhile and eventually Elena includes him in her “loved ones” list.

    On letting her believe Bonnie is dead.

    Elena will only let him into Salvatore house under certain conditions->Tension builds as Elena goes to school blah blah->Decides to go behind Elena’s back etc->The scene when she slaps him and he basically tells her that he did nothing wrong. He did this because *she* would have ruined the plan->The scene when she apologizes->The cycle starts again immediately here.

    Force feeding

    Delena disagree on putting Bonnie first->Tension builds as Elijah is around, Stelena follow a diff plan, blah blah->Scene of Elena trying to explain things to Damon culminating with him force feeding her his blood->The scene in the finale when he apologizes->The scene in the finale when she cuddles in bed with him and tells him that she likes him

    On “saving” Stefan

    Damon yells at Elena about Stefan after the Andie murder->The scene in the next ep when Elena tells says that Stefan called her, Damon still tells her to forget it->Elena goes ahead anyway behind his back and Damon throws her off a cliff->Scene at the end of ep when Damon comes to tell her she was right that Stefan can be saved (this is murky because he may have become psychologically abusive when he tried to force his feelings on her)-> Road trip to Chicago in the next ep

    Damon will let you disagree with him initially but he will be stewing about it until he snaps. He will find a way to hurt you. Sometimes the way he hurts you seems unrelated but he WILL do it. I don’t think Damon knows how NOT to be abusive, tbqh. He becomes unstable as soon as something important to him doesn’t go his way. I mean, he followed the above pattern with Ric in this ep. We just haven’t seen the honeymoon phase yet

    Ric asks Damon wtf he is doing at the Gilbert house->Ric tells Damon to take a beat->Ric argues with Damon about Bill culminating in Ric’s murder->Damon prepares a drink for him and makes excuses->???

    Maybe all these people have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Damon.

    – According to the show, Caroline already kicked Damon’s ass so there is no need for Tyler to offer to do anything – TVD ~logic~

    – Katherine always wants a partner in crime. I don’t think she has ever worked on her own. Trevor, Rose, Emily, Mason, Isobel

    – Maybe every guy Caroline dates will just be a prop to her. I mean, Matt def was in season 2. He is only getting his own storyline now that he broke up with Caroline. I read somewhere about season 2 that while the show payed lipservice to Stelena and Matt/Tyler, these characters where written through the lens of how they made Damon and Caroline fee.

    – Would it be interesting or boring if Caroline’s “It means you are human” line was the start of her being prejudiced in the opposite way? Like she is starting to think that humans are pathetic? Lol

    – I think a scene like the Rebekah shopping scene was necessary. They can’t bring a person from the past and not address how this person views the world as it is now. However, the way they did it was clunky. 1) It felt like a scene was missing before this. The scene where their past is dealt with a little bit. Instead this comes later when Stefan tries to come on to Rebekah. 2) If they are going to introduce the idea that Rebekah is a fish out of water, they should have kept it going for a little while longer. Not too long because she has lived a long long time but something more. 3) No emotional continuity like you said

    – I don’t think that this is the first time Katherine has seen Stefan be a ripper. She has been following him forever. Maybe she does not have a problem with it because she has seen it all before. And yeah, it is like when Damon asked Stefan if he was bad or good in the last ep. There is no…I want to say subtlety but I don’t think that is the right word.

    – Katherine was basically a slightly livelier Elena. She was almost as Stefan focused as Elena was in the previous eps. Like Elena, Stefan had to tell her to GTFO for her to leave. Someone had a theory a long time ago that there might be some sort of mystical connection between the doppelgangers since they were magically created. So that what affects one, affects the other in either subtle or obvious ways. I don’t think the show is that interested in all the ways that Elena and Katherine are connected or similar or wtvr but it would be interesting.

    – No one uses strong words – dick, mean. Seriously? These people are describing psychos. It is like the show uses every tool in the storytelling box to downplay the violence these people do. But then, why do they make these characters to these crazy things? What is the point?

    – Klaus is in love with Stefan. Make this happen show. It is the only thing that would make this story interesting.

    – Stefan is not Bonnie’s friend, people. He is so not. What is the definition of friendship for the people who ship them?

    – I do like how they are developing magic now. They are exploring how different witches accomplish the same thing with their own brand of magic.

    – I would love it if Lucy killed Katherine

    – Stefan was going to wake up Elijah?? I didn’t catch that. You mean to tell me that this guy had a plan? Lol

    – I used to complain about the Tell not Show approach when it came to Bonnie in the last season but I guess this is just the way the show does things. If they are telling the Klaus/Stefan/Rebekah story this way, what chance do the supporting characters have?

    – This ep should have been the season premier. Not much movement happened on the Stefan or Jeremy front before this and they are the only ones with actual arcs so far.

    – Lol. You are right. How does Anna know it is Vicky? If this was a better show, this would be an indication that Anna is lying and that maybe this is not Anna at all.

    – Lol at Bonnie. Stefan being gone and killing people is a bad thing because it depresses Elena?? This Show. I really hope she says something about this in today’s ep.

    – Bonnie was actually engaged in the story. She wasn’t just called in when things reached a crisis level. I actually love Bonnie doing magic. I can’t separate Bonnie from magic. That is like separating Caroline from vampirism. Caroline immediately did vampire things in the premier too. She compelled a girl and used her strength to pick up a guy. It is all about *how* the story is written. It annoyed me how Bonnie was brought in to fix messes she wasn’t even involved in and a lot of the time we didn’t see her motivations or thought processes. Basically, I hated how she wasn’t treated like a person.

    When the grimoires caught on fire, I was like NOOOOO! I would rather have those books for Bonnie than Jeremy, tbh.

    – “What is wrong with her?” Lol. Many many things, Alta. Who can unravel the tangle of crazy, self-delusion, denial, grief, etc that is Elena?

    • I hate how this show uses these stupid town events as a short cut instead of showing us how people actually live in this town organically.

      So freaking true.

      Jeremy’s current ghost situation is a direct result of him trying to help Damon.

      Being reminded of this and thinking of what he does to Jeremy in 3.05…Damon’s such a bitch.

      It will be all about Damon facing “consequences” because that is what fans have been complaining about. Except it will be meaningless because the show still refuses to show the damage his actions inflict on people.

      Yes.

      – Like I wrote on TWOP once, Damon>>>This Universe and Every Other Universe Without Another Damon In It.

      I quoted that post on tumblr!!! I didn’t realize it was you at the time, but I loved that so much.

      You guys, werewolves are not persons in TVD verse.

      You couldn’t be more right. And now we don’t even have a werewolf on the show anymore.

      The Forbes have always been Sheriffs. Elena read a Sheriff Forbes on that list of Founders party attendees back in Family Ties. My Fandom friend talked about how effed up that is that these families have a monopoly on certain jobs: Sheriff, Mayor. Fell is probably a doctor.

      The more interactions Delena have, the more Elena shows signs of an abuse victim. Not that she’s innocent. But good grief.

      – Would it be interesting or boring if Caroline’s “It means you are human” line was the start of her being prejudiced in the opposite way? Like she is starting to think that humans are pathetic? Lol

      Lol. They’d never go there with Caroline. She’s “our beautiful Caroline.”

      I remember reading this theory for Elena/Katherine.

      – Stefan is not Bonnie’s friend, people. He is so not. What is the definition of friendship for the people who ship them?

      I have no idea. They’re not even shipping it (relationship or friendship-wise) in that messed up way.

      – Bonnie was actually engaged in the story. She wasn’t just called in when things reached a crisis level. I actually love Bonnie doing magic. I can’t separate Bonnie from magic. That is like separating Caroline from vampirism. Caroline immediately did vampire things in the premier too. She compelled a girl and used her strength to pick up a guy. It is all about *how* the story is written. It annoyed me how Bonnie was brought in to fix messes she wasn’t even involved in and a lot of the time we didn’t see her motivations or thought processes. Basically, I hated how she wasn’t treated like a person.

      I completely, completely agree. I love Bonnie doing magic and I can’t separate it either. Hello, that’s why I tuned in to the show in the first place. It’s the how that bugs and that there wasn’t a balance in season 2.

      • Fell is probably a doctor.

        I’m pretty sure the Fells use to have a monopoly on the media because when Elena was looking into the archives, it was a Fell reporting on the deaths that occurred the last time Stefan and Damon were in town.

  5. I know this is waaay too late and no one will actually see this other than Alta but I just realized where the title of this ep came from. It is from a late 90s movie. From my childhood, y’all!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134619/

    I barely remember it but I think it is about a town where all the kids who are considered “bad” are being implanted with micro-chips to make them “perfect”. And the parents/adults are behind all this. I guess it ties into Bill’s aversion therapy stuff.

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