Episode 25: Bad Moon Rising

Episode 25

“How did Elena not jump in the front seat and kill Damon with her fist?”

Highlights: The Stefan/Bonnie/Caroline scene.

Rants: Every single Damon/Elena scene (no really. I found myself talking at length every scene they had) and Ian’s tweet yesterday in regards to season 3 (spoiler alert).

As mentioned in the episode, my letter to Kevin and Julie for those interested in reading it:  http://angryzen.livejournal.com/12484.html

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11 thoughts on “Episode 25: Bad Moon Rising

  1. I love this new music! I love it!

    “Oh okay … fine.” lol

    “Elena’s sulking because you know, Damon killed her brother ….” That’s perfect. Lol

    Elena loved being in the mix.

    Nancy Drew Tyler. Lol

    ISOBEL’S RESEARCH! Is like the holy grail of research!

    It was because the Mayor wasn’t effected by the vervain, only Emily’s device. Emily’s so smart. I love her. I want more of her.

    They explain to Alaric off screen that Isobel is a vampire.

    Bela Lugosi is Dracula. Old ass black and white Dracula. 😀 Oh Lon Chaney is The Wolfman.

    Ugh American werewolf in Paris is horrible movie. American Werewolf in London is so much better.

    Damon make it about himself …

    Who is Bonnie? Who cares about her? /sarcasm.

    “And then she fell in the hole.” lol

    Alaric was anti Damon back in the day. Elena has to ask Stefan’s permission.

    “School’s been keeping him busy … lol”

    The scene is weird/hella annoying. She kisses Stefan to shut Damon up … why?

    I like Carol/Tyler scenes. I think there should be more of them. Or just Carol scenes.

    I don’t think Bonnie likes Gone With the Wind. I’ve never seen the movie, myself.

    Shout outs to Beloved.

    The character’s histories intertwine, but the white history is glorified as opposed to the black history which gets shoved under the rug. :-\

    Sheila is dead … and so went protests and like you said Bonnie is not going to spearhead the situation. It’s like you said, some people don’t want to remember … and that past is a dark one (oh no pun intended.)

    Vampire Diaries needs Black writers. *Kanye shrug*

    Stefan/Bonnie Scene … *grit teeth* their relationship became a mess …

    I think Bonnie feels bad about what happened to her friend and think there’s some guilt about that, but we didn’t get to see that because Bonnie doesn’t get those kinds of moments in this season …

    RoadTrip #2 and I mean # two. Poo Poo. Ca-ca.

    Damon and his horrible …
    Damon literally gets away with murder. Damon doesn’t care. Elena acts like he kicked her puppy … softly.
    I would have killed him or tried to. It doesn’t make a difference if Damon is lying about the ring or not. The point is that HE KILLED HER BROTHER IN FRONT OF HER! I wish the writers would stop writing Elena this way.

    Waffle analogy! lol

    These scenes are horrible. Fucking disgusting and horrible.

    BONNIE/CAROLINE/STEFAN FOR THE WIN! BEST SCENE EVER.

    I love it too. When I first saw it I felt bad that other people would see Bonnie as a bitch and I wanted her to be softer, but after a while I recognized that Bonnie and Caroline’s relationship is different than Caroline/Elena’s & Bonnie/Elena‘s. This scene makes me appreciated Bonnie/Caroline. And I love them together.

    I thought Bonnie was going to say Carter’s name. I really like that Bonnie says:

    You’re a vampire.

    And then Stefan looks put-upon.

    Bonnie knows how to handle Caroline. WORD. And we have to remember that this is their relationship. And I love that these two woman are having parley, disguising their issues and Stefan is sitting there like so much furniture in the room.

    Why aren’t all witches making daylight rings? *side eye* I thought the slave days were over (so to speak). Why would they want to do that for their mortal enemies?

    Just because it looks easy doesn’t mean it is … And this could be the reason Bonnie was getting bloody-noses and stuff.

    I think the original’s have rings but I don’t know if the rings protects them from the sun …

    I would hope that Bonnie did some pre-spell stuff at home so that when she got to Caroline’s place she just gave it the finishing touches. You know Bonnie already had too much screen time already and they had to get her in and out. *eye roll* Also I like to think that Bonnie whispered so that the vamps wouldn’t hear her but they have super hearing, so I think that was mostly for the audience. It’s probably in the script “Bonnie mumbles”. BUT there was whispering in the background. There was an extra witch presence.

    She walks out of the frame- show. Not even a “Thank you” from either of them.

    I have that feeling too. I kept hoping to see her again, but no.

    Ugh this is so sad, Bonnie’s treatment on the show. I liked hearing about the head canon. That was interesting to me. 😀

    Elena and Damon don’t care about Alaric’s feelings.

    What was her plan. “It’s a stick up!” lol Also Damon had enough time to give Elena a look before he fell.*eye roll*

    If you touch her I will never speak to you again …” [… long pause] Apparently this woman’s life = more than the life of her brother’s because she’s still talking to Damon after he killed Jeremy …*side eye*

    And then Damon calls her on how useless her threats are. She has little to no power over Damon … That should have been a sign or something.

    Now you’re going to make me DL this horrible episode because I don’t know where the streaming ones are. UGH!

    You are so right about the Damon/Elena mess. Damon even tells her her threats have no weight.

    Ian’s awesome eye Acting! Ugh!

    “I can’t stop staring at his arms” lol

    Oh god Caroline’s self deprecation. LOL at your sarcasm though. \o/

    I would have thought her mom would have been a better connection to her humanity.

    I guess Matt is not going swimming with his cast still on.

    I wonder if Mason senses them? Considering this season was about the werewolves, we don’t know much about them or what they can and can’t do. 😦 LOL Mason’s expression!

    The kids have a keg. Omg how!?

    When Caroline is with Damon she is just scared. Matt/Caroline is gross. He greeted her with a “what the hell?”

    PERSONAL BUBBLE, DAMON! Back the fuck up!
    Elena should have been so pissed off that Damon was even talking to her about being friends. “Damon! Don’t fucking come to me right now with your bullshit. I’m not in the mood!”

    That’s what a shaman is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism.

    Lol the useless Moonstone. LOL

    It’s a big deal because it’s the Vampire Diaries Alta! *snort*

    It looks like Caroline has less makeup on in this scene. 😀
    Poor Caroline and her character bashing. How about you talk to her like you care? I don’t know why Matt and Caroline are a thing. Caroline comes off looking like a victim. Lol story inspiring kiss. I can’t even see the kiss, Alta.

    Why does Stefan need to call Caroline’s phone? After that he should have called out for her. She would have heard him.

    Mason is chaining himself because he’s responsible. LMAO! That just tickles me.
    He looks so sexy!

    I would have not follow Tyler down into that horrible scary hole in the ground. Poor Amy-Bradley. Why did she go down there? I was so scared for her.

    Kind of sexy?! VERY SEXY! I know all about the re-watch magic!

    Damon is not getting better. LOL

    They dropped the ball on the doppelganger line. 😦 it could have been every interesting.

    Alaric is smirking too because it’s so quaint. Damon is talking to her like a child … which she is compared to him. .:X

    I would love to see manipulative Elena. I would have love to see Elena give a little back to Damon and then you could even see the coloration between her and Katherine and that would have been interesting. OMG WORD! I WANT THIS VERSION!

    “Friends don’t manipulate friends” and then when he lied about it later she would have told him “we‘re not friends, Damon.” BAM SHOT THROUGH THE HEART! *sings bon jovi* And then Damon needs glasses because he’s blinking all hard.

    Compassionate to the ones she loves. I would have love to see hard Elena. She lost so many people in her life and Damon took one more person, her brother. Elena should have been like: no more.

    Oh gross! Tyler/Amy-Bradley when she down there against her will. Oh gross! And then Tyler gets all rape-y. I really got scared as to where this scene was going when I first saw it. I was afraid that Tyler wouldn’t stop himself. :X I’m really glad he stopped though. 😦

    Lol talking up Alaric. Lol LMAO Alaric summation! Point, set, game & match! Though I think Alaric is talking about his lovin’. “you don’t want to get caught up in this. It will take over your life” Damn, son is it that good? Lol You’re right this really should have been his last episode. He should have stayed behind with Vanessa.

    LOL Elena with the car door. Elena needed Bonnie to come and open the door for her … magically.

    Also his horrible eye twitching. “You hated me before and we became friends.”
    You didn’t murder my brother in front of me before.
    That sad part is it’s true. She can’t stay mad around him.

    Damon needs to apologies to Jeremy. I CARE!

    Caroline/Matt kiss was hot. I see what you mean. He calls himself a klutz and I thought that was a nice change. Stefan says “What are you doing here?” On your own land …

    I don’t know what Stefan’s talking about. I thought Werewolves couldn’t be compelled.

    Stefan won’t walk away.

    This show is full of isms. Ugh!

    Mason wants his pants! Lol Mason looks really beautiful with the dirt smug.

    Matt couldn’t even break-up with her. Caroline had to make him say the words. Oh well.

    Alaric and Jenna, *yawn.* How did Alaric get into the house before Elena …? He must’ve locked her out so Damon could have more time with her.

    Damon thinks he chipped away at the wall because she thanked him for the book. *eye roll*
    He’s blaming Katherine for his actions. He snapped Jeremy’s neck and then peaced out. The writing is so frustrating. Damon acted differently in front of Elena because he wants her to like him. He saw that one way with Elena wasn’t working so he tried another way. He tried: fake regret, guilt, remorse. It was all fake.

    He needs to apologies to Jeremy for murdering him.

    I’m listening to the spoiler. 😦 I hope it’s not Bonnie. I don’t ship Bamon anymore either. I don’t ship Bamon because Damon has so much witch blood on his hands. And he’s never sorry. Never ever ever ever ever ever!

    Friends don’t kill friend’s friends.

    I need a quote of that, because it’s awesome!

    Elena should have told him all that and ended it with “we are not friends.” and I know that would have been very dangerous for her to cut it off with Damon but I think it needed to be said. Damon needs to learn something otherwise he’s a useless stagnant character.

    He’s still being manipulative. “Now you’re acting like the woman who forced me to kill your brother in front of you. tsk tsk”

    He is so much like a child. Come on give me my way, now.

    “Get over it Elena, before the credits roll.” LMAO I love that you say “Shut up, Damon.” Like he’s just behind you being annoying. I wish Elena would have shrugged after Damon gave her his little knowledge nuggets.

    This episodes goes on forever! But I would joyfully listen to this podcast over and over and over, than watch that horror.

    For a minute I thought Bonnie was going to be in the room with Caroline. But I was wrong.

    I like the same scene! I love the dialog too.

    SHOUT OUTS! \o/

    Of course Jeremy doesn’t want to be there. He’s murderer is in his house, which should be a haven. He’s hanging out with Bonnie. Bet.

    Dude, do you know how long this review of your review took? Hours! Because I went to find the episode so I could watch it and look at the reactions the characters were having. Not you fault and I enjoyed the podcast so don’t worry. I started it round 2am and am now posting it. Haha!

  2. LUGOSI? LUgosi? Damn, Ian needed to articulate a whole lot more! Thanks for the info! I almost mentioned An American Werewolf in London, but I sort of thought I was making that up.

    I like Carol/Tyler scenes too. And I’ve never seen Gone With The Wind either, but people have told me the problems with it.

    “And I love that these two woman are having parley, disguising their issues and Stefan is sitting there like so much furniture in the room.”

    Yes! I love that Stefan was just sitting there. Quiet. I really love him most times.

    “I wonder if Mason senses them? Considering this season was about the werewolves, we don’t know much about them or what they can and can’t do.”

    Oh my God, good point! He DID sense them! Werewolves can smell vampires! Now that explains the look!

    Vampires can’t compel werewolves, but Tyler’s gene hasn’t been activated yet.

    “Though I think Alaric is talking about his lovin’. “you don’t want to get caught up in this. It will take over your life” Damn, son is it that good?”

    And this is just one of your lines that killed me. Lol!!!

    • You did a great job on your first solo podcast!! I was laughing so hard at all the rational moments missed and the writers writing these characters with no common sense.

      can’t wait for the next one. The Podcast makes the summer wait easier.

  3. ~ The weird thing about Alaric and Damon’s relationship is that Damon didn’t try to kill Alaric, he actually did. He staked him and Alaric only survived because he had the ring, but then he came back and was like ‘whatevs’ about Damon and “at least he’s got humanity” or some such bull.

    ~ There is a lot about s2 that is even more annoying the second time around. Elena kissing Stefan to upset Damon because he’s being a dick after he killed her brother? Why didn’t she make a vervaine spritzer and then dump it on him instead?

    ~ I think my biggest problem with the writers obsession/romanticism the show has about the Civil War/Gone With the Wind + their inability to acknowledge everything that is problematic with Gone With the Wind and Romanticizing the Civil War is that they didn’t have to do that at all. At all. It’s not like the books are masterpieces but L.J. Smith wasn’t playing around with “handmaids” during the Civil War. It’s really sketchy because I don’t think the writers are ever going to deal with this from a critical perspective. It’s all just very romantic.

    • It’s really sketchy because I don’t think the writers are ever going to deal with this from a critical perspective. It’s all just very romantic.

      Romantic for Elena and all of the fans who look like Elena and not so much for Bonnie and the ones who look like Bonnie. By virtue of keeping silent, the producers are showing which group of girls they want daydreaming about the story they’re telling. Ugh.

    • I think Alric suffered some kind of brain damage after he came back from the dead.

      Vervain spritzer YES!

      “Oh Miss Katherine? How ever will you chose between the two Salvatore brothers? Let me hem your skirts while we talk on an equal level. I love you Miss Katherine”

      Give me a break.

  4. ~ Black History Month? When does this show even take place? We don’t even know when it’s Christmas or Thanksgiving or spring or winter. I doubt we’re ever going to know if Black History Month is occurring. They’ve got carnivals and circuses to put on.

  5. ~ damon and elena are incredibly twisted as a ship and i get what people say when they say they couldn’t handle them as a ship because it would destroy elena as a character, but with the exception of the consistency of her feelings for stefan, the entire delena relationship is based around her compromising her morals/ideals/wants&needs for him or in his favor, so while i was surprised that she didn’t kill him at the time it no longer surprises me that she’s just okay with he does.

    ~ damon is trying to regain his humanity? if the show would just let him be evil instead of trying to convince me of this as an idea my issues with him would be reduced by 25%, but i would still find him incredibly boring as a character.

    ~ i’m dying at the waffle analogy.

    ~ bonnie cares so much, but she’s not a vampire so nothing she does is understandable in any way or sympathetic or anything resembling something fandom could find good in any way. so yeah. i completely agree with what you said regarding the caroline/bonnie/(stefan) scene.

    i wish there had been more bonnie this season because, while i can understand stefan and damon’s blase attitude towards death, bonnie is the only person on the show (with the exception of matt when it comes to vicki, the only death he knows about, and i really hope something comes of that) who reacts to death in an appropriate manner (though she’s certainly more proactive than matt, who gets to be horrified but not for long there are tables to bus). i got off topic. sorry about that.

    ~ the writers aren’t really concerned with the mythology surrounding witches or else we’d hear spells and know more about what happens with them. i’m pretty sure the originals don’t need rings.

    ~ caroline knowing about bonnie’s powers or not is shaky since that’s just a plot convenience instead of something that is used to develop characters because that’s the show’s prerogative, but your head!canon works for me.

    ~ alaric’s confusion may just be a poor acting decision on matt davis’s part.

    ~ “if you touch her i will never speak to you again.” elena is so ridiculous. of course that’s not going to make a difference to damon. he just killed her brother and she’s still talking to him. it is hilarious and sad.

    ~ ugh. thinking about this scene is disappointing when it comes to fandom/the show’s interpretation of Elena within Damon/Elena because it’s a very false sense of strength of character. which, like you said, isn’t bad in terms of who elena is but the show isn’t posing her as young and overwhelmed. she’s an obstacle eliminator…but she isn’t. if the show was more interested in pace instead of throwing out half a dozen plots per episode then maybe this would be seen more.

    ~ stefan’s arm! he did look a bit thin during the beginning of the season. like the first 5 or 6 episodes.

    ~ my biggest problem with matt, my only problem with matt, is matt/caroline as a relationship and since that’s all he gets to do he’s just an asshat complainer who reminds caroline of all her insecurities. the first time around it seemed sweet that stefan said that he was her closest tie to her humanity but yeah their relationship is not a good thing at all.

    ~ i love the tyler/matt friendship too.
    ~ and then they wrapped up how fake the curse was in an episode…so instead of maybe having that reveal be the mid-season finale and working from that a bunch of nothing happened.

    ~ caroline’s apology to matt makes me so upset because it was unnecessary. matt/caroline was okay for maybe three scenes and then they became all matt’s story was about and that was bad for him and their relationship does nothing for caroline. so their entire relationship was rushed in order for the show to have a triangle. their relationship makes me feel incredibly weird because 1) i really like matt outside of his relationship with caroline and any mentions of her he’s likely to utter and 2) but caroline/matt was 90% of his story in s2.

    ~ damon is the smirking dark hero with eye problems in villain’s clothing. that’s who he is. he’s just a good guy! : )

    ~ elena being manipulative would have been amazing, finding out exactly what her limit is because the way the show is going she is willing to except all losses except for damon (since she hasn’t been put in any situations with stefan that are comparable)

    ~ i think you can’t be compelled once you’ve turned into a werewolf, because damon compelled tyler in season one

    ~ when damon said that bonnie had every right to hate him, his season long arc was leading to him understanding that but all that was thrown out the window for tragic!in need of glasses!hero Damon.

    ~ “it’s about damon losing elena’s friendship” this show is completely ridiculous in terms of what death means to any of these characters, which is something that became more obvious as the season progressed, but is still completely maddening since no one gets to deal with anything beyond “now you must forgive damon or forget about it and move on”.

    ~ how does one get put on vervaine? do you tell someone they’re taking vitamins?

    ~ i agree about stelena losing its shine. though i was never big on them in the first place but i am less into them now.

    (i have to go to work but i might come back later to finish listening to the podcast)

    • ~ damon is trying to regain his humanity? if the show would just let him be evil instead of trying to convince me of this as an idea my issues with him would be reduced by 25%, but i would still find him incredibly boring as a character.

      Yes! I agree so much. If they would make him evil (or acknowledge that he’s a bad guy. Whichever way they want to look at it), and treat him as someone to be stopped, I wouldn’t be so enraged/offended each time an episode ended. Or dreading what they’ll make him say/do next season. *Sigh*

      ~ bonnie cares so much, but she’s not a vampire so nothing she does is understandable in any way or sympathetic or anything resembling something fandom could find good in any way.

      Same goes for Matt. Tyler didn’t get too much hate when he was willing to let Caroline get shot, not only because he’s a supernatural but more because he’s destined (writing-wise) to become Caroline’s love interest. Caroline who has become a fan favorite (which I’ve already said is a little sketchy).

      Good point about Matt Davis’ acting choice. That might be it.

      ~ damon is the smirking dark hero with eye problems in villain’s clothing.

      Eye problems!!!! *Dead*

      ~ when damon said that bonnie had every right to hate him, his season long arc was leading to him understanding that but all that was thrown out the window for tragic!in need of glasses!hero Damon.

      I completely agree.

      I guess Caroline spikes Matt’s drinks.

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