TVD Season 4 Spoilers and Speculation: The trainwreck continues. PODCAST COMING SOON!
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Speculation, fears, worst-case scenarios, mock-episode summaries, and spoilers. It all goes here!
You can post any spoilers you find (be sure to link to the source, and be sure to check that no one else has linked to it already), and we’ll speculate, rant, wail, fear, and make fun. I’ll put the links in the this opening post for easy access for those who visit the site, and I’ll credit the person who brought it in.
Post any and every spoiler until we get to ComicCon. ComicCon and the spoilers that come out of it will get a podcast, just like the previous two seasons, so I’ll be looking out for those. When it comes to ComicCon, e-mail me whatever spoiler you find like usual, and I’ll of course credit you.
Once this post gets too crowded with links, I’ll create another one.
So to start:
Now the triangle REALLY begins. For real for real.
JP teases what’s next for the characters Take it with a vat of salt.
Episode 81: TVD’s The Departed
A big thank you to everyone who listened and/or commented during season 3!
Outtakes- The Body Swap Episode!
Co-hosts: Cana and Olu
Intermission: 3:00:10.375-3:01:50.562
In the last episode of the season, everyone’s suddenly worried that the Originals are after Elena despite the fact that Klaus was put on ice before he could tell anyone the link between Alaric and Elena. Olu explains why Elena dying comes one season too late; Matt gets some history that doesn’t make much sense and he’s way too involved with Elena’s plight in the present, and I explain how him drugging Elena could’ve been interesting; Cana wants someone to ask Stefan his opinion and motivation; I find Damon to be the most entertaining and interesting character of the episode (while wondering if it’s even possible for the writers to write him ooc when, bad action or good action, it’s all Damon being Damon). Last, we do JAJP’s annual season superlatives.
“The show suggested in the beginning that what she had with Stefan was passionate [unlike what she had with Matt], and now they’re saying that no, what she has with Damon is passionate [and what she has with Stefan is stability]“-Olu
“It doesn’t actually make sense that Matt wants all those things. It would make more sense if Matt was scared of kids and of marriage ’cause, like, his whole home life is a pile of shit. I can imagine him thinking that it would be very easy to screw it up. Because no matter how much Matt may put Elena on a pedestal, he doesn’t put himself on a pedestal”-Olu
“That’s why this whole Elijah thing of, ‘I’m letting you choose, Elena’ is kind of [...] grating, kind of like a smoke screen, because even though she doesn’t usually say, ‘Okay I’m making a decision,’ so many things happen for her. So many decisions are based on her that, I don’t know, making a big deal about ‘Oh someone’s respecting her choice,’ like…it’s all about Elena. All of this stuff happens for Elena. People get killed for Elena. People bleed for Elena. [...]. Has Elena ever made a decision that was [disagreeable] and people listened? That’s part of the problem.”-Me
“I would really like it if somebody would ask Stefan what he wants. Just ask him what his choice would be. I just wanna see his reaction. Has anyone ever asked him what he wants, what his choice is? He’s been compelled by Katherine and Klaus, and he’s been tortured by Lexi, and now he’s in this thing with Elena, and his brother’s in it too, and I feel like nobody has ever asked him, nobody who means something to him has asked him what his choice would be, what he wants.”-Cana
“In that scene, it really stood out to me how much Damon is a sucker for love, how much he’s such a loser in love, how much he’s forever alone. Never chosen, always the bridesmaid, always the groomsman. He’s never holding the bouquet. [....]. You see that there’s a side of him that accepts [that it will always be Stefan], that knows it, and I guess just having the conversation is enough for him even though he wants more. But it’s like, he never thought he’d get this far where, where he would actually be asking Elena, who would you choose. He never thought there would be a choice for her, despite his bravado and always getting in her personal space. And I think that all came out in the scene, and I think Ian did a great job, and I think it’s Damon’s best scene of the season, I’ll say.”-Me
Ugh. Episode 21 was better.
Everything that happened tonight happened already.
Someone’s turning into a vampire? See: all of season 3. Also see: season 2, episode 21 with Jenna. This is supposed to be special and “out there” because it’s Elena, but people have been trying to turn her since season 2.
Bonnie saves an enemy’s life? See: season 1 finale. She saves Damon’s life (as well as Stefan’s), and then makes a declaration. Been there, seen that. At least last time “I know who I am now” went somewhere for a while, and the line held a lot of weight.
Klaus is in someone’s body? See: The time Klaus possessed Ric.
***Someone asked how Bonnie could transfer Klaus’ spirit in Tyler’s body, considering it took both Greta and Maddox to do it, and Greta was more powerful than Bonnie. I think the fact that it happened offscreen is the answer. She could do it because it’s convenient and fits the story JP’s struggling like a mofo to tell.
Car crash? See: the episode before Bloodlines where Elena crashed her car. They also parallelled it with her parents crashing, which…been there, done that.
Elena gets tricked? See: The Vampire Diaries.
Jeremy turns around, and there’s a ghost? See: season 2 finale.
Tyler loses his free will? See: the freaking story they just told.
As for dark!Bonnie:
I didn’t see anything. Bonnie talked in a mean manner to Klaus. I’ve seen her mad before. She saved Klaus’ spirit. So? Like I said before, she saved Damon in season 1. And that line she said? Means nothing. She had no choice. They never said she was willing to let her friends die, so…….the line means nothing. Not until we see her resist the Salvatores and actually take matters into her own hands. Are we even going to get the witches being mad at Bonnie?
A Look Through the TVD Episode Summaries: Progress Report Season 1
How big of a dork am I? Ugh. But once you get to reading the synopses out loud on a consistent basis, you get crazy like this. Anyways!
I finished going through season 1.
First of all, here’s the synopsis for the Pilot:
Four months after a tragic car accident killed their parents, 17-year-old Elena Gilbert (Nina Dobrev, “DeGrassi: The Next Generation”) and her 15-year-old brother, Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen, “Everwood”), are still adjusting to their new reality. Elena finds comfort with her best friend Bonnie (Katerina Graham, “17 Again”), frenemy Caroline (Candice Accola, “Juno”), and former boyfriend Matt (Zach Roerig, “Friday Night Lights”), but Jeremy is trying to figure out why Matt’s sister, Vicki (Kayla Ewell, “The Bold and The Beautiful”), is suddenly rejecting him and hanging out with his rival, Tyler (Michael Trevino, “Cane”). As the school year begins, Elena and her friends are fascinated by a handsome and mysterious new student, Stefan Salvatore (Paul Wesley, “Fallen”). Stefan and Elena are immediately drawn to one another, but Elena doesn’t realize that Stefan is hiding a dark, deadly secret – the fact that he’s a vampire. At a nighttime bonfire party, Elena and Stefan are getting to know each other when chaos erupts after Vicki is attacked and left bleeding from a savage bite to the neck. Fearing that he knows who is responsible for the attack, Stefan finds that his older brother, Damon Salvatore (Ian Somerhalder, “Lost”), has returned to town. Now these two vampire brothers – one good, one evil – are at war for Elena’s soul and for the souls of her friends, family and all the residents of Mystic Falls, Virginia. Sara Canning also stars as Aunt Jenna. Marcos Siega directed the pilot written by executive producers Kevin Williamson & Julie Plec.
Oh how far we’ve gone off track come. The Salvatores sound like legit creepers. Imagine if this show really was about these people trying to save their souls from them and keep them from making MF their vampire nest.
Episode 80: TVD’s Before Sunset
***My apologies for the hissing and slight echo that happens towards the end.
Co-hosts: Cana, Olu, and Mags
In this episode, we tackle the near perfection that was Klaus, the Blame Elena Game bugs the crap out of me, there is recurring fangirling over Bonnie/Jeremy, Olu breaks down the esteemed Salvatore brotherhood, Bonnie’s scenes are a mixed bag (and there is bitterness over Bonnie/Abby), Mags appreciates Damon’s terrible, we question the show’s mythology for the vampires and the witches, and we speculate on Dark Magic.
“I know it’s wrong. I know it’s mean. But Julie Plec’s desire to be Elena, to be whoever is coming in between the Salvatores, or maybe in fact to be one of the Salvatores, is so repulsive to me because of what she has other characters say to Elena, to our supposed heroine, and it’s like please stop using the other characters as a mouthpiece.”-Olu
“She spent this entire episode contemplating the Salvatores and hearing about the Salvatores, and then we have the Salvatores who are actually contemplating their future past Elena. Has Elena ever talked about her future past the Salvatores? ….I don’t think that’s happened.”-Me
About Alaric’s rant to Elena: “Everything he was saying is, I suppose, quote unquote, the right thing [....], but this entire show has been about challenging that kind of morality, and for me it just reinforced the fact that this show will never be Buffy. If Buffy was on this show, she would agree with Alaric, but this is not what this show is about. This is not the bar we are in. This is a bar of people who will choose their own feelings, their own whatever, over the greater good, over the moral good, over whatever good. [.....] It reinforced everything I know to be true about this show and how terrible everybody is, but oh well.”-Mags
“Remember in early season 2 when Caroline was in that car accident? Where was Meredith with the vampire blood then?”-Cana
My Beremy Heart!
Alright, how do I put this bluntly? That porch scene between Elena and the Salvatores was rank bullshit.
Elena is just starting to catch feelings for Damon. How the hell is she already stringing them along? You’re supposed to be working with Elena’s trajectory, writers, not yours or the viewers. What came out of Elena’s mouth was direct meta from the fans and Julie Plec.
That scene was all about the Salvatores, because Julie Plec is all about the Salvatores.
Is Elena supposed to be realizing she’s in love with Damon? Because I really haven’t gotten that from her. I’ve gotten lust and like.
“I know I’m being selfish.” I did not need that crap after Julie Plec Klaus berated her for tearing them apart. Make up your damn mind, writers! Is this Elena’s fault or is it not Elena’s fault? If it’s her fault, then why do you maintain on her doing it? Have her let them both go. Why does she want to put up with this? Why does she feel this is worth it? Why do you not want to write for Elena? Why is this triangle becoming so meta now that it’s really happening?
Am I really supposed to believe Elena feels for Damon as deeply as she does for Stefan? Already?
The words that came out of Elena’s mouth really did not sound like her. I’m not joking. That porch scene, on top of that scene with Klaus, was really set up to make her look like the bad guy. She’s in a lose-lose situation, and they don’t care. We just spent a scene talking about the Salvatore’s future (and we get another one later between just the two of them) and their stupid bond, when Elena’s relationship with Jeremy and Bonnie is marinating in the deepest, hottest level of hell, and she can’t be a good sister or a good friend to save her life because she must be stuck with the Salvatores.
So screeeeeewwwww the Salvatores and their future and their happiness and their simple as hell brotherhood, and their unhealthy feelings.
“60 yrs from now, none of this will have mattered.”
And scew the fangirl writers.
Home stretch!!!!
I honestly don’t know what I’m looking forward to in this episode. Not after Do Not Go Gentle. JP tweeted that Bonnie doesn’t trust Stefan anymore, and that trust will have to be earned. If this show had good pacing, there would be less rants on this podcast. Thus, I’m thinking Stefan will earn Bonnie’s trust again next episode. Yes or yes?
Episode 79: TVD’s Do Not Go Gentle
Co-hosts: Cana and Olu
Cana, Olu, and I tackle every character in this episode. Every. Character. And Olu explains how the Caroline character exemplifies how bad the show is with storytelling and pacing.
Quotes of the Podcast: “It was the worst thing I’ve had the pleasure of watching, no wrong word, the misfortune to put myself through since the last time I watched The Vampire Diaries. So I guess judging it on that scale….it was just another Thursday. But judging it on a separate scale, it was particularly worse than usual.”-Olu
“Did everyone come to the dance on time that they didn’t see this woman pouring salt?-Me
“About Klaus, he looked like he was about to unleash some slaves. That hair was the worst, and that white cotton suit…..that was horrible.”-Cana
“Stefan’s acts have no influence on Caroline’s opinion of him. Stefan nearly killed Elena earlier this season. Stefan has killed two of her classmates, at least, this season. Stefan disappeared for the summer to be a murderous, rampaging looney tune. And that has no effect on Caroline’s opinion of him. Stefan still deserves a chance; it’s like the bachelor. Damon, meanwhile, did attack her father. But Damon has also saved her life, saved Elena’s life, saved Bon—Basically Damon is in no worse a position than Stefan. [.....]. Even though you could say that what happened in season 1 is what has her still against [Damon], she doesn’t act with disgust against Damon. And Caroline’s the show. The show doesn’t change its opinion about Stefan. The show doesn’t change its opinion about Damon.”-Olu
Plus short outtakes from the recording! Episode 79 Outtakes
Season 3, episode 20. Pick your shows!!!
I felt like watching an episode of Charmed after this episode ended. And I still do. Maybe I’ll do it tomorrow. In the meantime, I still want something to cleanse my mind of Do Not Go Gentle. So why not talk about other shows?!
Pick a show or shows and talk about the 20th episode of their third season. And just because I want to cheat with TSC, you can also choose one other season and talk about it’s 20th episode. Do you remember how it made you feel? Was it as disappointing as TVD’s 3.20? Do you laugh now thinking about how involved you were with the show? How did your favorite character fare in the episode? How was the story? Did you feel like it was really leading up to a finale?
And who knows? We might have a couple of shows in common!
I’ll start with The Secret Circle, Smallville, and Charmed:
